Poll: BikeRadar: Champs Lg - qtr finals/semifinals availability

[Paul Ross]

I've voted yes for 3 of 4 dates, even though I'm away - will be morning over there, so no big deal.

[wallg]

Should be able to make all these if needed

[Penelopeys]

Originally Posted by Paul Ross

I've voted yes for 3 of 4 dates, even though I'm away - will be morning over there, so no big deal.

However we can only play if pokerroom allows US IP's

[Reeshah]

im in for all

[philossify]

Right, team for Wednesday 2nd is provisionally Gaf,Reeshah,runa (as he doesn't travel till 3rd methinks), slick mick and wallg. I'm trying to avoid playiong anyone who might have IP problems from the USA and will be needing to experiment. Just play your normal game is my tentative advice (feel free to ignore me) and we'll hope that we get some good places so we can have an easy second leg.


For Sunday 6th its provisionally ......

gaf, mad duke,reeshah,slick mik and wallg ... though if experimentation has proved that we can get in from US then we might drop one or even two of you (probably whoever played in leg 1 and got the worst result) and play another (or even a combined brains trust of me and paul all sitting in front of the same screen - no Runa as I think he has something more important starting lucnchtime Sunday). More on that by Sunday 6th. Tactics will depend somewhat on the first legs results ... if we have done well in leg 1 then a bit of caution might be suggested ... if we have done really badly then it might be total aggression ... in between may be just a case of playing normally and seeing what happens.

Anyone see any flaws in my thinking?

[GotaFancy?]

Originally Posted by philossify

Anyone see any flaws in my thinking?

My thinking is that this is like a satellite with 40 players playing for 25 seats - It's a really wierd MTT situation and we would need to adjust our normal game dramatically to the new situation - our first goal should be to survive to the last 25 - which I think means small ball low risk poker We really cannot afford to have players going out in the thirties.... (look how close we came to blowing it in the last leg of the group stage, when a team of sit outs would have qualified with ease.....)

[philossify]

The structure of these quarter finals is very confusing ... are there 40 teams playing in one "league"? I did for a while think there were two sections of 20 teams in each??? Currently I can see 17 registered teams ... if thats 17 out of 40 and the rest have retired or forgotten to press the registration button then there's a chance that we'll have less than 25 in the whole thing..... can't believe eSport would allow that to happen

if it is a 40 seater MTT that starts with five 4*10 seaters then our aim should be to reach the final table since (as I read it) 16th place gets 0 points exactly same as 40th place..... With the skewing of points for 1st-4th then 5*10th place would give us 30 points, which I think would definitely be enough to qualify. My reading is that if we average 15th place (5 points minimum in total) by playing totally "safe" then unless that includes a 1st/2nd spot coupled to a 40th spot then we are in trouble.

What does this mean in reality? Don't be over aggressive, the prize distribution pattern doesn't warrent it ..... if you can get to the final table then thats a success .... getting to the final table with biggest stack is not needed. So if you get ahead of the pack then don't try to bully too much. Definitely play tight and positional ..... but not too much aggression. Of course theres always going to be AA v KK situations and badbeats, but be wary of getting involved in 50/50 situations until final table (of course that alll changes if you get to be short stacked before final table).... Ax is not a good hand - even Ax suited aint good.

Because the points don't start until 15th position (right?) then if there are 40 in each game then whilst I agree with gafs "small ball low risk poker" I think we should be wary of playing too passively as that could mean going out 20th or so for nil points. If there are two sets of 20 teams then a slightly more passive game is viable as making the top half rather than the top 37.5% allows a bit more scope.

Hope I'm making sense above .... feel free to point out the errors of my thinking

[Paul Ross]

I'll try pokerroom when I get to Vegas, as I have ip hiding software that might work.

[GotaFancy?]

Sounds good Phil - the "flaw" in my thinking was not realising it was only top 15 are points scorers

[Reeshah]

right lads ive checked it out and i have tracked down the structure for the points in QF. It is indeed 1 group of 40 teams and you get player points for top 30, the points structure should be going up on the website soon.

[philossify]

Ahah ... that IMHO makes the tactics a bit different, basic aim should be for each player to get to at least 25th and preferably to the final two tables (20th and above). Assuming no disasters like AA v KK that should be easy by playing conservatively - small ball, low risk as gaf's append stated. The trick is to let other teams kill each other via over aggression in the early stages of the game (some teams will probably have a strategy of going for 2 or 3 high-placed results out of 5 - which is what we may have to do if things go awry in leg 1). Still only 22 teams registered at this moment so maybe qualification will be easy (though I expect the remaining 17 will register over next 2 days) . keep an eye out for sitouts (check other tables) as its in all the "real and present" teams interest to make sure these guys (especially if there is quite a few of them) don't score points. (obviously) do the best you can and we'll review things after the 1st leg. Good luck guys.

[GotaFancy?]

I think we need to see how top heavy the points are before being sure of best strategy

[GotaFancy?]

Here we go

The Point System of the Champions League Finals



The eSport-Poker Champions League is approaching the final phase. An overall of 40 teams will fight for the European poker crown in the coming quarter finals. The point system for the Champions League has therefore been adjusted for the final phase, to fit the circumstances of the bigger event. For all finals of the Champions League the following point system will be valid, taking into account the greater number of teams in the event:

Place	Playerpoints		Place of team	Team points
1	60		1	60
2	52		2	52
3	45		3	45
4	39		4	39
5	34		5	34
6	30		6	31
7	26		7	28
8	22		8	26
9	19		9	24
10	17		10	22
11	15		11	20
12	13		12	19
13	11		13	18
14	10		14	17
15	8		15	16
16	7		16	15
17	6		17	14
18	5		18	13
19	5		19	12
20	4		20	11
21	4		21	10
22	3		22	9
23	3		23	8
24	2		24	7
25	2		25	6
26	2		26	5
27	2		27	4
28	1		28	3
29	1		29	2
30	1		30	1
31	0		31	0
32	0		32	0
33	0		33	0
34	0		34	0
35	0		35	0
36	0		36	0
37	0		37	0
38	0		38	0
39	0		39	0
40	0		40	0

[runadrum]

playing these is just too depressing 24th

looking forward to two weeks without internet poker

[Reeshah]

9th for me, eventually succumbed to a coin flip as the short stack, never really on the cards to win it as i had folded QQ and AK preflop at different stages just to maximise points whilst minimising risk, looks like we are on for a decent score and should make our task pretty straight forward for matchday 2.

[wallg]

11th for me - turned into an All-in fest as the numbers dipped below 20

Eventually went as my AJ lost to AQ

[Reeshah]

9th for gaf i see

[slick mick]

2nd for me should put us on a good score for round 2

[runadrum]

well done everyone but me

not that it has been in much doubt lately but I am clearly leaving this task in more capable hands for the next two weeks

[Mad Duke]

Wp guys good solid start sure el capitano will b well pleased