How far is it fair to go with Sit Outs?

[Burnley Joe]

Me too 8th, got to final and reeshah had 17k as 9 sit outs on his table, i push with KK he calls with A10 and hits A

To be honest he was all in every hand although he would occasionally just call and then let the sit outs win??????????????????/

Was not inpressed

[Reeshah]

its not against the rules to feed sitouts is it?

[Burnley Joe]

Why you were doing it at the final table!

[Reeshah]

because the sitouts arent close competitors! looks like the whole plan has blown up in my face tho cos now the final table is frozen!

[Reeshah]

sorry Joe, but isnt it the smart play?

[goater14]

out in 7th not happy! The big chip leader on the final table(due to the fact he had a table full of sit-outs) is folding his hands instead of checking to keep the sit-outs in.
i know its not cheating but consider it very unsportsmanlike he will raise when me and the other player are in the blinds(rightly so) but with the sit-outs will call and when the flop comes down instead of checking will fold.
Could even say it is chip dumping as he is folding when he should be checking and passing his chips to the sit-outs? perhaps its just me being in a bad mood but it has left a nasty taste in my mouth.

[Reeshah]

sorry if you think its unsportsmanlike but surely this is the only sensible way i can play! obviously i want to protect the sitouts because they arent competitive in the overall standings so i want them to score well!! It prolly wont matter anyways cos the table is now frozen, probably serves me right.

[AvonGirl]

Originally Posted by Reeshah

because the sitouts arent close competitors! looks like the whole plan has blown up in my face tho cos now the final table is frozen!

Bikeradar null points then.

[GotaFancy?]

Originally Posted by Burnley Joe

To be honest he was all in every hand although he would occasionally just call and then let the sit outs win??????????????????/

Was not inpressed

I folded to sit outs in my game too - my stack was significantly larger than the others at my table - the longer I could keep the sit outs in the game, the greater my advantage (and the increased potential of harming the nearest opposing teams) - I think it's a legitimate tactic

[Burnley Joe]

Not saying that, but folding to sit outs is fine but calling then chip dumping is not really moral is it?

[Burnley Joe]

I think they call it chip dumping, sit out and let them win is fine, but calling and then folding to them is chip dumping in my opinion

[Fonzie14]

Originally Posted by Reeshah

its not against the rules to feed sitouts is it?

Chip dumping!!!

[GotaFancy?]

Sorry goater - I cannot agree (and not because he's a team mate) - I took some opportunities tonight to leave sit outs with chips on my table - so long as you're playing for personal gain (which Reeshah and I were), then I cannot see the issue

[GotaFancy?]

Originally Posted by Reeshah

its not against the rules to feed sitouts is it?

I'm surprised how much upset it's causing - I did the same with no worries or hesitation, because I believed it was the play to maximise my result.

Is the table still frozen? Make sure you get a screen print

[Fonzie14]

Originally Posted by GotaFancy?

Sorry goater - I cannot agree (and not because he's a team mate) - I took some opportunities tonight to leave sit outs with chips on my table - so long as you're playing for personal gain (which Reeshah and I were), then I cannot see the issue

Chip dumping is effectively collusion...you can't see the issue...

[kippe6]

in a live game what would happen if you folded to an empty seat

[Reeshah]

Chip dumping cant possibly be a rule for the sole reason that its unenforceable. blame the system, blame the fact that there are loads of sitouts but dont blame me for taking advantage.

[Paul Ross]

Oi, leave my team mate along or you're all banned!

[Burnley Joe]

Im not blaming you for taking advantage but in my opinion you were dumping

Enough said

[GotaFancy?]

This is what it says on the Pokerroom website:

Chip Dumping



Tournament chip dumping is defined as a situation where one player purposely loses chips to another player with the sole intent of increasing their combined chances of winning prize money. Chip Dumping will incur a permanent ban of all involved accounts and the forfeit of all the total value of prize money.
In cases of confirmed chip dumping, all REMAINING players in the event, at the time of the offence, will have the total value of the forfeited prize money split amongst them.

The sole intent has to be to increase combined chances of winning prize money
however in this case the sole intent was just to increase personal results (not in the individual tournament, but in the overall leaderboard)