Oh dear - Gravesens coming to kick our ass...

[GETT1NLOTS]

BTW - I said earlier in this thread that England would probably lose because it was a friendly for those that think I am "sour grape'ing' " :p

[PompeyPunt]

I think any side playing England in England will come and treat the game with a committed attitude, friendly or not. (Although this is of course typical English arrogance ) We may see things alot differently!

Anyway, always nice to share thoughts and abit of banter on the footy

Gett1L - On the contrary, I will argue that the result in the WC was a complete fluke brought on by an early error by our keeper spreading nerves around the team.

England barely had to do anything to win the match.

I agree the outcome might have been different tonight had the 4 players I mentioned above been fit and/or allowed to play. Keeping in mind, however, that we were without our best central defender tonight as well as losing 3 players in the first half to injury, I dont see how this can be any defense for the lacklustre second half display from England.

There were 50.000 plus paying spectators at the match. Even if Svennis doesnt give a toss, you should think that the players did.......

Let me out it this way - I would gladly play an England side without Rio, Campbell, Gerrard and Owen come the EC next summer

[PompeyPunt]

would gladly play an England side without Rio, Campbell, Gerrard and Owen come the EC next summer

And here is me thinking that us English are the arrogant ones

[GETT1NLOTS]

DH I wasn't particularly referring to your posts as you have every right to be pleased that Denmark have won irrespective of the circumstances.

However,

Gett1L - On the contrary, I will argue that the result in the WC was a complete fluke brought on by an early error by our keeper spreading nerves around the team.

So if a Danish player - in a World Cup - makes an error that is a 'fluke'????

How about a Danish player just played crap and England got what they deserved? :rolleyes

You see - UNWITTINGLY - you add credence to my point earlier - whenever England win we are 'lucky' or 'boring' or 'flukey' or 'cheating' or bloody something.

When we lose it is the right result though?

And people call the English Xenophobic?

I dont know about that, but you must admit our keeper made a complete howler - his only mistake of the tournament - and that this had some bearing on the result.

Although over time I guess luck will even out, it does seem to me, though, that England have had their fair share of both fortunate and very unfortunate things happen to them in WCs.

For instance: Our keeper gifted you the win, but in the next game, Ronaldinho had a complete mishit sail in.

Gettin,

I am getting bit sick and tired of everyone knocking England on the PL (and everywhere else)

Well for a start "everywhere else" has got nothing to do with the posters on here/PL is it? We can't be held accountable for "everywhere else".

And I can't see anyone knocking England on the PL, certainly not in this thread (no interest in rugby myself so if there are comments in there I know nothing about them).

Personally, as I said, I didn't see the game so my comments were only guess work and my thoughts/opinion on how certain players would approach the game today. I take it we are allowed to have different opinions aren't we?

It is posts like some of the above why Matt (and me in part) start to 'bite' on threads like this.

- Well maybe that says more about you than anything else if you feel the need to "bite" at what I, and I would say Da Han and Pompey, feel is just a bit of friendly banter or discussion on a football match.

Put it this way, if you bite at this you would have been chewing your own arm off if you had been around here at World Cup time Some of the threads then definately had something for you to bite about

Take it easy, its just about opinions and obviously some will differ from your own, but when they are not "having a go" then its not worth getting worked up about.

[GETT1NLOTS]

The details of that match are history.

The point I am making is that I would like England to be given a bit of credit when it is deserved.

I have publicly (on the PL and elsewhere) supported Wales, Scotland, Ireland, N. Ireland, Europe, etc in ALL their endevours in sport (sometimes against my better wishes -knowing that those feelings are rarely reciprocated).

All I have seen and heard today though, is that England are undeserving and BORING at rugby u. - and justifiably beaten and crap at football.

And I for one, don't give a monkeys how much stick I'm gonna take from the PL or anyone else on this matter.

A bit of patriotism in England is what is missing - and i'll stick up for my country when we are slighted by anyone - inc. the Scots, Welsh, Irish or Martians. >:

A bit of patriotism in England is what is missing

I apologise. I should know better..... :p

[GETT1NLOTS]

DH

I apologise. I should know better.....

Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit. :b :b :b :b

Gettin,

Aye, would agree that banter is fine, we all enjoy it and considering Scotland England are traditional rivals then its only to be expected. But I do think your wrong in the view that the PL is very anti-England (but thats just my opinion ). Views such as that actually sound near paranoia-ish - and I mean that in the nicest possible way Especially considering that the bulk of the members on here, I would imagine, will be English.

You want others (I assume you mean non English people) to give England credit - but why? If you play well, get the result, then what does it matter what I or anyone else thinks?

For the record, I though England were excellent in Turkey but what should that matter to you. But if someone else thought they were lucky then so what? They just have a different opinion to you (and me in this case). In the end it doesn't change the result or your view on it does it?

And also for the record I have no real interest one way or the other on Englands results in any competition/sport, as I generally also take that view with any other country who is not Scotland. If I think they have done well then I will praise them, if not then I generally am silent. But for the most part. media overkill apart, I don't give a monkeys if you win or lose.

Honestly, my opinion, stop worrying or getting worked up about what others think of your country, or its performances. If you are happy with them then that should be enough.

Like many things, its always nice to hear praise (and also agreement with your views/opinions) but going and courting or demanding it isn't exactly going to get it.

Anyway, just all in my opinion as I know your views are in yours. If they differ the so be it, no one can say for sure if either of us are right or wrong. Just accept that not everyone views everything the same way. It would be a bloody boring world if we did

i dont care what you say about fairness and givnig credit, i love to see those plebs mark lawrence and gary lineker squirm abit on tv. nobody likes a loudmouth and if england losing makes them think before they speak next time then im all for them going down.

what you guys have to realise is that the first thing that comes into most peoples heads when they are asked about you is gazza, jim davidson, kat slater and roy chubby brown what are the rest of the world supposed to think o you when you see these 20 stone monkeys on tv throwing coffee tables at riot police in belgium? or in any ofthe other countries the ing-ger-lund circus rolls through

if i or the rest of the world want the english team to lose it isnt because we want to see the entire english race live in misery, its because we want the arrogant w#nker minority to wind themselves in

as for rangers fans supporting england theres more than likely another motive behind it other than neighbourly well wishing. thousands of gers can identify closer with the 'typical' engand fan than that of the typical scottish because involving politics in football is par for the course up here (for hundreds of thousands not all!) and the tartan army has traditionally been seen as an independance crowd. waving the scottish saltire or lion rampant doesnt do it for these guys.

anyway i hope you see my gazza/chubby brown point that is- we want that beer-boy element in your support to lose and couldnt give a flying f#ck about the rest of you, so stop your greeting

[GETT1NLOTS]

Crowie,

Maybe it's because I always support the home nations (and europe in non-home nations ties) that I wish for (more than demand) some reciprocal goodwill?

Anyhow - as you insinuate - let's agree to differ on this one.

[Matt]

The PL has a very anti-english side to it sometimes and if you were around at the time of the last world cup you will know exactly what im talking about.

I was speaking to a scot at work on saturday and he was saying he finds it a bit embarassing at times when people come up to him saying good luck scots when he really knows and realises how many of his own people dont support England in games. His actual comment to me was "It makes you realise how bitter some of us actually are"

I will admit that yesterdat I didnt set out to support Wales or Scotland but by the end of the game the "britishness" shone through and I was willing Scotland to get a 2nd and Wales to hold out for there point. I know a few Rangers fans and to be fair they all support England and I remember meeting a scot in greece this summer who told me he supported England but couldnt admit it to his mates as they would take the piss, makes me wonder how many more are like that?

I really couldnt care less to be honest as we have 1966 and while the scots continue to spout the anti-english bullshit Ill be happy to continue that England have been WORLD CHAMPIONS and are still the only British side with a somewhat realistic chance of still doing it.

One more quick point cus im rambling.........anyone who thinks Denmark could come to England in a proper game and win 3-2 surely is having a laugh? Not being funny but the only side to beat us in a competitive match over the last 2 years is Brazil (who won that trophy we won once) and if you look at our record in friendlies you'll see that we dont take them seriously at all.

[GETT1NLOTS]

AS

if i or the rest of the world want the english team to lose it isnt because we want to see the entire english race live in misery, its because we want the arrogant w#nker minority to wind themselves in

Obviously we're the only country to have arrogant w#nkers in our ranks in the minority? (you said minority - not me...)

what are the rest of the world supposed to think o you when you see these 20 stone monkeys on tv throwing coffee tables at riot police in belgium?

We're the only country with hooligans as well I suppose? Forget Holland, Germany, Italy et al.

Why don't you just accept that most countries (and you obviously) have a natural predilection to want the English to lose as opposed to trying to justify your arguments with that kind of nonsense?

I mean - read it in the morning - by saying that our w#nkers are in the minority you disprove your own argument.

This is exactly the kind of veiled (unintentional) kind of slighting of England that gets on my tits.

[GETT1NLOTS]

Anyway,

I have just read back over the whole of this thread and it has turned into something more appropriate for the 'football banter' forum.

As a result, I will rest my case in the posts that I have typed before this one.

Those that wish to retort can have the last word comfortable in the knowledge that I am right. |I

I dont know, Gett1L - looking over this thread again, I have to ask: who is actually being arrogant here?

England just lost 2-3 at home and were outplayed for most of the 2nd half, yet you claim that this is irrelevant and that of course England would have won had there been point at stake.

To me that sounds fairly arrogant, to be quite honest.....

[GETT1NLOTS]

DH,

Read my posts BEFORE the match was even played.

Then read my first post AFTER the match and see what I put.

Then revise your conclusion above if you want to.

if i want england to lose to get it up media pundits, overweight retarded larger louts and scots who always follow them over scotland then to me thats fine. the rest of you i dont care about!

ill ask again, do you know how youre viewed by the rest of the world?
when i was living in england last year all the guys i spoke to in pub during the football hated the fighting rasict elements as much as me. they were also embarrased by the mindless lager guzzlers the rest of the world views your average fan as me. so i know you arent all gazza lookalikes

ill say it again but dont take it personally, unless youre one of these plebs im talking about. when somebody slights the english they arent having a go at you all

as for putting words into my mouth thatll get you nowhere!