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Old 21-05-2008, 23:38   #81 (permalink)
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Here are the selections that qualified as R.R lays.

A very important thing to add is that the figures given above are based on paying 5% commission to Betfair and laying at 10% above SP.

FULL LIST OF R.R LAYS

325 FOLK 5/2*Hereford Boy W 15/8F -2.10
335 KEMP 6/4*Grande Caiman L 6/4F 0.95
350 SOUTH 11/4*Kensington, L 9/4JF 0.95
400 FOLK 7/4*Lupita, L 9/4F 0.95
505 FOLK 11/4*Calistos Quest, L 9/4F 0.95
320 PERTH 6/4*Fleet Street, 2ND 11/4F 0.95
330 NOTTINGHAM 4/7*Curtain Call W 8/11F -0.80
430 PERTH 1/2*Natiain W 4/6F -0.73
550 GREATLEIGHS 4/1*Merlin´s Dancer L 7/1 0.95
535 SOUTHWELL 10/11*Midnight Fling L 15/8F 0.95
705 SOUTHWELL 9/4*Exit Smiling L 11/8F 0.95
720 GREAT LEIGHS 2/1*Proper, 2ND 5/4F 0.95
405 WOLVERHAMPTON 5/2*Playtotheaudience, 3RD 3/1JF 0.95
140 SANDOWN 13/8*Pigeon Island L 9/4F 0.95
215 LEICESTER Evs*Rayvin Mad 2ND 13/8 0.95
315 LEICESTER 4/1*City Stable L 11/2 0.95
750 HAYDOCK Evs*Conquisto W 6/4F -1.65
835 WOLVERHAMPTON 1/8*Queen Of Naples W 2/13F -0.17
210 BRIGHTON 4/6*Brenin Taran 2ND 6/5F 0.95
430 YARMOUTH 6/4*Greyfriars Abbey L 9/4 0.95
610 WINDSOR 2/1*Dubai Petal, W 5/4F -1.38
655 SOTHWELL 2/1*Steel City Boy L 2/1F 0.95
725 SOUTHWELL 9/4*Fantastic Lass L 9/4 0.95
430 SOUTHWELL 2/1*Mid Valley 2ND 9/4 0.95
620 GREAT LEIGHS 11/4*Mia´s Boy 3RD 4/1 0.95
430 REDCAR 13/8*Tajweed W 6/5F -1.32
310 LINGFIELD 11/4*Lille Ida L 13/2 0.95
350 MUSSELBURGH 11/8*Borderlescott W 5/4F -1.38
410 LINGFIELD 6/5*Mr Aviator 2ND 11/10F 0.95
440 LINGFIELD 5/2*Racer Forever 2ND 7/2 0.95
710 FONTWELL 8/13*Prime Contender 2ND 5/6F 0.95
245 NEWMARKET 13/8*Passage Of Time L 7/4 0.95
550 GOODWOOD 11/8*Riverscape, 2ND 9/2 0.95
615 DONCASTER 4/5*Majuba 2ND 8/13F 0.95
730 HEXHAM 2/1*Network Oscar L 3/1 0.95
750 DONCASTER 8/13*Iguazu Falls, L 4/6F 0.95
830 HEXHAM 5/4*Sleeping Night 2ND 2/1 0.95
335 WINDSOR 5/2*Trans Siberian W 7/4F -1.93
605 CATTERICK 2/1*Red Cell W 6/4F -1.65
215 CHESTER 13/8*Maraahel, 2ND 5/2 0.95
230 GOODWOOD Icesolator, W 5/2 -2.75
530 NEWTON ABBOT 13/8*Sesame Rambler, L 13/8F 0.95
610 GREAT LEIGHS 5/2*Loose Caboose, L 9/4F 0.95
640 GREAT LEIGHS 3/1*Basra 3RD 9/2 0.95
300 HAYDOCK 8/11*Advanced, L 2/1F 0.95
430 HAYDOCK 5/2*Welsh Emperor L 9/2 0.95
515 HEXHAM 13/8*Prince Car L 11/8 0.95
530 YARMOUTH 11/8*Multicultural, 2ND 11/10F 0.95
330 YARMOUTH 9/4*Black Moma, 2ND 11/4F 0.95
500 YARMOUTH 9/4*Fourth Dimension, L 13/8F 0.95
240 YORK 9/4*Lush Lashes W 2/1F -2.20
320 EXETER 10/11*Kiama W 5/6F -0.92
640 PERTH 11/10*Artless, UR 8/11F 0.95
200 PERTH 11/8*Cardinal Spirit, 2ND 1/1F 0.95
230 PERTH 7/4*Always Right, W 11/8F -1.51
310 YORK 4/6*Lang Shining 2ND 8/11F 0.95
345 YORK 2/1*Benandonner 2ND 7/4F 0.95
725 NEWMARKET 15/8*Kaateb, 2ND 15/8F 0.95
250 NEWBURY 2/1*Kotsi, 2ND 9/4 0.95
335 NEWMARKET 15/8*Transcend 3RD 13/8F 0.95
610 NEWCASTLE 11/4*Gone Hunting, L 7/2 0.95
300 NEWMARKET 2/1*Enroller W 13/8F -1.79
445 NEWMARKET Evs*Missile Dodge L 4/5F 0.95
320 FAKENHAM 3/1 Cool Roxy 2ND 11/4F 0.95
420 FAKENHAM 11/8 Roby De Cimbre W 5/2 -2.75
210 MUSSELBURGH 2/1*Mullglen W 11/10F -1.21
340 MUSSELBURGH 7/4*Kasumi, W 1/2F -0.55
350 BEVERLEY 11/8*Yes One L 7/4F 0.95

Last edited by rooster; 21-05-2008 at 23:43. Reason: missed out a couple of 'non' smily faces
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Old 21-05-2008, 23:55   #82 (permalink)
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RR are your personal selections, right?

Well done, mate - keep 'em coming
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Old 22-05-2008, 11:38   #83 (permalink)
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That's right Tulenos. The R.R selections are basically a sub-section of the total lays I put up. They all share one characteristic to qualify them so in that sense they are chosen systematically as opposed to basing them on personal feeling.

Have started looking at the area of non-runners and you may well be on to something. I reckon there may be a case for dropping selections when a 5 runner race drops to 4 or when there are 2 non-runners in any race. Early days but I'll post the findings soon enough.

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Old 22-05-2008, 20:57   #84 (permalink)
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Results for Thursday 22 May 2008

Not a tear in sight today

235 WETHERBY 11/10*Wotchalike 2ND 10/11F
325 GOODWOOD 13/8*Safari Mischief, 2ND 15/8F
400 GOODWOOD 9/4*Trianon, L 9/4
410 HAYDOCK 9/4*Major Magpie L 5/2F
545 GOODWOOD 2/1*Matterofact, 3RD 5/2F
820 WORCESTER 2/1*Pearl King, 2ND 6/4F

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235 WETHERBY 11/10 Wotchalike 2ND 10/11F
325 GOODWOOD 13/8 Safari Mischief, 2ND 15/8F
400 GOODWOOD 9/4 Trianon, L 9/4
545 GOODWOOD 2/1 Matterofact, 3RD 5/2F
820 WORCESTER 2/1 Pearl King, 2ND 6/4F
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Old 22-05-2008, 21:21   #85 (permalink)
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Friday 23 May 2008

200 BRIGHTON 13/8*Mazzola
255 NEWMARKET 6/4*Jeer
330 NEWMARKET 13/8*Meethaaq
450 BRIGHTON 13/8*Summer Of Love
720 HAYDOCK 3/1*Obe Gold
730 PONTEFRACT 5/4*Go Nani Go
800 PONTEFRACT 11/4*Premier Danseur
830 PONTEFRACT 11/8*Tartan Tie
850 HAYDOCK 5/4*Wyeth

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200 BRIGHTON 13/8 Mazzola
255 NEWMARKET 6/4 Jeer
730 PONTEFRACT 5/4 Go Nani Go
850 HAYDOCK 5/4 Wyeth
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Old 23-05-2008, 22:11   #86 (permalink)
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Results for friday 23 May 2008

Good day for R.R lays again

200 BRIGHTON 13/8*Mazzola W 1/1F
255 NEWMARKET 6/4*Jeer, 2ND 2/1F
330 NEWMARKET 13/8*Meethaaq 2ND 3/1
450 BRIGHTON 13/8*Summer Of Love, 2ND 2/1
720 HAYDOCK 3/1*Obe Gold, W 3/1F
730 PONTEFRACT 5/4*Go Nani Go, L 10/11F ")
800 PONTEFRACT 11/4*Premier Danseur, W 7/4F
830 PONTEFRACT 11/8*Tartan Tie, 2ND 15/8JF
850 HAYDOCK 5/4*Wyeth L 2/1JF

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200 BRIGHTON 13/8 Mazzola W 1/1F
255 NEWMARKET 6/4 Jeer, 2ND 2/1F
730 PONTEFRACT 5/4 Go Nani Go, L 10/11F
850 HAYDOCK 5/4 Wyeth L 2/1JF

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Old 23-05-2008, 22:20   #87 (permalink)
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Good going, mate. FYI and it might help, I started taking all of RR for real hard earned and noticed that taking them some 5-6 minutes before the off, ie just before the time the real market shake-up time starts, often results in laying at better prices - for instance all Thu lays were available app. 0.2-0.3 lower than BF SP (had a full record of prices taken, BF SP, bookie SP, but unfortunately never saved it). The first two today - Mazzola laid @ 1.91, SP 1/1 (2.00), BF SP 2.16 - Jeer laid @ 2.62, SP 2/1 (3.00), can't remember BF SP, etc. It looks like an interesting trend indeed.

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Old 23-05-2008, 22:43   #88 (permalink)
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Good going, mate. FYI and it might help, I started taking all of RR for real hard earned and noticed that taking them some 5-6 minutes before the off, ie just before the time the real market shake-up time starts, often results in laying at better prices - for instance all Thu lays were available app. 0.2-0.3 lower than BF SP (had a full record of prices taken, BF SP, bookie SP, but unfortunately never saved it). The first two today - Mazzola laid @ 1.91, SP 1/1 (2.00), BF SP 2.16 - Jeer laid @ 2.62, SP 2/1 (3.00), can't remember BF SP, etc. It looks like an interesting trend indeed.

Keep them coming
Sounds interesting mate. Try to keep a record as every percentage point in our favour helps I've been doing a little bit on the non-runner stats that i'll finish next week but the trend seems to indicate to stay away from races where there are 2 non-runners.

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Old 23-05-2008, 22:44   #89 (permalink)
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Which was the case in the first race today, btw Only I ignored it after some consideration
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Old 23-05-2008, 22:45   #90 (permalink)
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Saturday 24 May 2008

255 BEVERLEY 2/1*Utmost Respect
315 CATTERICK 5/2*Phluke
350 CATTERICK 3/1*Expensive Art
425 BEVERLEY 3/1*Mr Crystal
545 NEWMARKET 3/1*Irish Quest
630 CARTMEL 6/4*Orpen Wide

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425 BEVERLEY 3/1 Mr Crystal
630 CARTMEL 6/4 Orpen Wide
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Old 24-05-2008, 09:38   #91 (permalink)
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Hi,

Just wanted to say that after lurking around (after finding this forum and thread by total mistake) for a few weeks, that i've found your posts very interesting and have been following your RR especially. I actually took the step of registering today to offer these few crumbs of encouragement and say that there are probably a bunch of people like me who read your posts without actually stating it. Keep up the great work. I've also noticed Tulenos's point about rising prices also, although i also have no records to show

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Old 24-05-2008, 09:52   #92 (permalink)
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to PL, Smoothboo.

Looking forward to more posts.

BTW, will defo not be able to record the moves over the weekend and on Monday so if anyone can do so it may be an iinteresting comparison
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Old 24-05-2008, 11:26   #93 (permalink)
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Many thanks Tulenos.

I could be struggling to monitor the moves today & tomorrow also...got a party later on....and off to Wembley tomorrow to watch Leeds get promotion!!
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Old 24-05-2008, 12:31   #94 (permalink)
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Hi,

Just wanted to say that after lurking around (after finding this forum and thread by total mistake) for a few weeks, that i've found your posts very interesting and have been following your RR especially. I actually took the step of registering today to offer these few crumbs of encouragement and say that there are probably a bunch of people like me who read your posts without actually stating it. Keep up the great work. I've also noticed Tulenos's point about rising prices also, although i also have no records to show

Cheers

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Thank you for the kind comments Smoothboo and welcome aboard the forum. It's a good place with lots of people offering sound approaches. I won't be at Wembley tomorrow but I'll be screaming at a TV set somewhere willing Leeds up a division. Family day out today so I'll be placing bets on the fly (you gotta love laptops and mobile broadband) and won't be monitoring prices I'm afraid.

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Old 24-05-2008, 13:44   #95 (permalink)
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I'm not a huge fan of staking plans but for the R.R selections I'm going to run a 100 unit bank and lay each selection for 10% of that bank. When the bank grows by 10% or more that becomes the new 100 units. This is very high risk for me but the I'm willing to risk 100 quid to see what happens. Worst losing run to date is 3 which would have wiped 45% off the bank but since posting started a 100 unit bank would now stand at 1,344.53 after commission etc in the space of a month so what the hell it's only a ton Famous last words.

I would appreciate any thoughts on other staking plans that people use for laying horses. Come on I know you're out there!

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Old 24-05-2008, 18:14   #96 (permalink)
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Results for Saturday 24 May 2008

The 630 Cartmel is a good example of what I said earlier about 2 non-runners in a race. 6 runners down to 4 and the horse wins. Worth noting if you do follow these.

255 BEVERLEY 2/1*Utmost Respect, L 9/4F
315 CATTERICK 5/2*Phluke L 5/2F
350 CATTERICK 3/1*Expensive Art L 10/3
425 BEVERLEY 3/1*Mr Crystal 2ND 13/8F
545 NEWMARKET 3/1*Irish Quest, L 2/1F
630 CARTMEL 6/4*Orpen Wide, W 3/1

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425 BEVERLEY 3/1 Mr Crystal 2ND 13/8F
630 CARTMEL 6/4 Orpen Wide, W 3/1
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Old 24-05-2008, 19:45   #97 (permalink)
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Sunday 25 May 2008

No selections - not a sausage!
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Old 25-05-2008, 03:41   #98 (permalink)
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Hi All

My first post but I registered just to say thanks to Rooster.

I've been watching your thread & thrown the odd lay on now & then but not really followed things fully. But it does look good.

Thanks for the posts Rooster
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Old 25-05-2008, 15:06   #99 (permalink)
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My first post but I registered just to say thanks to Rooster.

I've been watching your thread & thrown the odd lay on now & then but not really followed things fully. But it does look good.

Thanks for the posts Rooster
Thanks for that mate. I hope you enjoy the forum. There's lots of good stuff here

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Old 26-05-2008, 00:59   #100 (permalink)
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Monday 26 May 2008

215 CARLISLE 9/4*Effort
315 REDCAR 7/2*St Jean Cap Ferrat
420 LEICESTER 5/2*Crewezando

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