Germany - Bundesliga II (Nov 23-26) - The Punters Lounge

McFly · 22-11-2007, 14:13

Friday 23 November 2007
	Home	Draw	Away	BPP
M'Gladbach v Offenbach (17:00 GMT)	1.36	5.50	11.50	101%
Osnabrück v Carl Zeiss Jena (17:00 GMT)	2.05	3.65	4.10	101%
Paderborn v Greuther Fürth (17:00 GMT)	3.85	3.35	2.26	101%
Wehen v Koblenz (17:00 GMT)	2.20	3.55	3.75	101%
Sunday 25 November 2007
	Home	Draw	Away	BPP
Augsburg 1907 v Aachen (13:00 GMT)	2.55	3.30	2.75	106%
Erzgebirge v St. Pauli (13:00 GMT)	2.20	3.40	3.65	103%
Freiburg v 1860 München (13:00 GMT)	2.01	3.30	4.00	106%
Hoffenheim v Köln (13:00 GMT)	2.37	3.30	2.95	107%
Monday 26 November 2007
	Home	Draw	Away	BPP
Kaiserslautern v Mainz (19:15 GMT)	3.00	3.30	2.50	104%

McFly · 23-11-2007, 10:15

Paderborn v Greuther Fürth

Paderborn with the next try to claim first victory. Not easy what to expect from them actually since last 2 games were average performances at best. On the other hand, there are the few good ones from before. Not to forget, they play a tough team. Greuther Fürth have full squad for the first time, challenge is huge especially in midfield. The team with new face this season again, play surprisingly consistent and could underline their ambitions. Even more was possible but the guests aslo missed quite much. That's what happened in the 1-1 against Freiburg, Greuther Fürth would have deserved to win. Last 2 away games were won and they look mature already as a whole. So Fürth were made favorites for reason, after all the away win looks like the most likely outcome. I considered to play them but in a way can't write off Paderborn actually. Would say value is rather on the home win but as Fürth are capable to nick it, I avoid such a bet. What I wanted play anyway is the over which is well paid in my eyes. As said, the Greuther come to a lot chances what is positvive in contrast to the feequent missing. But they are regular scorers and also conceded a few after defence hardly had been passed in first some games. Paderborn of course are no big threat regarding the 7 goals so far but those were shoot in recent games so that they had scored regulary in the period before the Koblenz game (4/7 overs). Also did they concede simply too much. The guests were dominated by Mainz in last home game but also missed the chance to win it by missing a penalty. Koen is returning so that offence is a little stronger again. Paderborn legend Müller is on bench at least and really is a good joker. Siradze is out for the attack though.

Over 2.5 goals @2.08 betfair 4/10

McFly · 23-11-2007, 10:51

Osnabrück v Jena

Like Fürth in first game, Osnbrück for reason are favorites in this one. Still, this round may become more tricky than it looks at first but at least some smaller stake on Osnbrück should be worth it. Osnabrück keep on loosing on the road but latest performances reminded of the pretty strong home games (4-1-0). The tradition club have been the better and more consistent if we neglect the first away game of the VfL Osnbrück. Carl Zeiss Jena have kinda manic depressive play, so shaky their play tends to become. They were more or less chanceless in first half against Hoffenheim to dominate even in second half then. But the table doesn't lie, they just have to become more clever and efficient in the front. Jena scored quite regulary in the last few weeks but recent problems remind of the mediocre season beginning. But especially on the road, the guests mostly convinced, like at Gladbach. But we can more rely on the power of the home team Osnabrück than on a good Jena game over 90 minutes. Even if the guests make it, there is still the in form and powerful Osnabrück. Simak's missing means a serious weakness in the Jena offence, so overall, average stake seems proper. Actually, this one looks like a over since both teams are good for some offence action. But I'm not confident enough to play it at given odds.

Osnabrück @2.09 betdaq 4/10

atothek · 23-11-2007, 11:16

Hey McFly what do you think about Gladbach -1.5 tonight? Kickers with some absences, and with Friend and Neuville in good form with the youngster Marin setting the pace i can see at least 2-0 for the home side here.

McFly · 23-11-2007, 11:24

SV Wehen v Koblenz

Trying not to underestimate the excellent promoter Wehen, who already had a couple of strong performance, especially at home. But I think draw and away win are more likely so that there is some value for me on the guests. Koblenz disappointed in last game against Paderborn, coach Rapolder and most probably had expected more force. Well, they prooved in most of the last few games that they're capable to have enough of it. Koblenz are hard to play for Wehen since defence has been solid on the road (only 1 defeat in last 4), but also the other way round is possible even though the Wehen defence was not always stable. The game looks interesting and I rather reckon that both teams will play forward so that the over should have good chances. On the other hand, both played 0-0 in last games, Wehen even in last 2.

Koblenz DNB @2.5 stan james 3/10

McFly · 23-11-2007, 11:42

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Originally Posted by atothek

Hey McFly what do you think about Gladbach -1.5 tonight? Kickers with some absences, and with Friend and Neuville in good form with the youngster Marin setting the pace i can see at least 2-0 for the home side here.

Agree with the pick even though Gladbach won by 2 or more only 3 times so far. But of course they're capable of beating the Kickers more or less clearly, epecially at home The guests are winless in last 7 and Gladbach unbeaten in last 10. Offenbach with 3 missings affecting defence especially, on the other hand do Toppmöller, Türker and Mokhtari return and strengthen offence. New coach Andersen returns to his former club as active and will give the Kickers more offence spirit and to switch quickly and generally, I expect a improving Kickers side what can happen step by step only of course. At the end though, Gladbach actually can be expect to score twice at least and small stake on the handicap win should be no mistake at least.

M'gladbach (-1.5) AH @1.98 betdaq 3/10

Densa85 · 23-11-2007, 14:39

Sport	Football (Germany)
Event	Paderborn - Greuther Fürth
Selection	Greuther Fürth to win
Strength	6/10
Date	23/11/2007
Bookmaker/Price	Betfair @ 2.24 (Back)
Reasoning	So today bad Paderborn will face Greuther Fürth.Paderborn will play without long term injurys and also with David Siradze and Sörn Halfar and Jan Männer are some players questionable tonight.Coach Holger Fach planned squad today without Timo Röttger, Jovan Damjanovic (both injured) and Danko Boskovic.Maybe René Müller will be back in squad.Greuther Fürth will play with full squad no injuries.Greuther Fürth is a team which can play at the top 3 this year and with a good game today they will go back to the Top 3. I will take these odds on Greuther today.

Densa85 · 23-11-2007, 17:52

Hi Mc,

good punt on Koblenz tonight

i have a bad run that i never had before.

Unbelievable

McFly · 23-11-2007, 17:54

The late Jena egaliser hurt, pushing me back to level. Still, hats off Jena with 10 men mostly. Paderborn really with the first win over Fürth, sadly the potential for more goals was not converted. Good that Gladbach and Koblenz won but profit was close.......

Aphobos · 23-11-2007, 17:56

That was criminal by Osnabruck. This is the second time in BII that a team I have backed has led 1:0 and given away an injury time free kick which the opposition has scored from. I can't help thinking that if Jena had kept 11 men on the park Osnabruck would have won. After a bright start the home side turned off with the one man advantage but again some shocking finishing in the second half.

McFly · 23-11-2007, 18:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by Delavida

That was criminal by Osnabruck. This is the second time in BII that a team I have backed has led 1:0 and given away an injury time free kick which the opposition has scored from. I can't help thinking that if Jena had kept 11 men on the park Osnabruck would have won. After a bright start the home side turned off with the one man advantage but again some shocking finishing in the second half.

yeh can well understand you. It actually must be managable to nick it the last few minutes.
But as you say, Osnabrück got punished for being too early too sure.

Aphobos · 23-11-2007, 18:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by McFly

yeh can well understand you. It actually must be managable to nick it the last few minutes.
But as you say, Osnabrück got punished for being too early too sure.

I was watching on Bwin and very tempted when Jena were 12.00 to score the second goal to take it as a lifeline but of course I got greedy and didn't. I had Osnabruck HTFT @2/1. Looking at the stats before it's not the first time Jena have come back on the road this season. Very frustrating.

Unbelievable · 24-11-2007, 04:29

Osnabruck

McFly · 25-11-2007, 08:44

Aue v St. Pauli

I think the guests can't really be written off but I reckon home win and after the draw are the more likely results. Aue are in good shape, under pressure and play at home - a combination which lets me being confident of them. In nearly all recent games, Aue could convince. They just defeated unluckily at Köln but won last 2 home games which was vital for them. Aue put much into their home games and are hard to play there, besides also their play could improve significantly. They won both testings last week, even over a Czech first league team.

Sankt Pauli with a defeat would loose the small gap to bottom. They won against Augsburg after 4 winless games. It was no great win but Pauli had convince at Hoffenheim by instance. But they lost 4/5 on the raoad recently and here they should be outsider for reason. Might become a over but I feel better playing the home win only.

Aue (-0.25) AH @ 2.0 bet365 5/10

McFly · 25-11-2007, 09:01

Freiburg v 1860 München

Not much doubt that Freiburg are favorite to win it even though they face a dangerous side of course. They were a little lucky to draw at Fürth last weekend but nothing can be said against their form of the last few weeks. The best argument is that each home game got won even though they partly struggled to score. Still, Freiburg are one of the powerful league sides, especially now where they're as good as complete.

1860 made a quite good game vs. Gladbach considering whom they played and that they play with a defence of kids over a wide part (the misery there has relaxed in the meanwhile). Before, they hardly had been in form even though last 3 were without defeat. They played two 0-0's in a row and scoring will get harder without key player Göktan in this one. The guests with only 1 away defeat so far but it could easily be more since they tend to play quite hestitating there. That's why I deny the over, also the solid 1860 defence speaks against it.

Freiburg @ 2.0 betfair 4/10

McFly · 25-11-2007, 09:19

Hoffenheim v Köln

Hoffenheim odds partly are short, wouldnt play them straigthly under 2.4 actually. The much better bet is the AH what gives good value for the clearly more consistent side Hoffenheim which have what it takes to beat the extremely volatile Köln (with the tendency to under perform).

Hoffenheim without a defeat in last 9 games (scored in each of them) could win 3/4 recent home games. They come on the back of a deserved 1-0 victory from Jena. Regarding form of Hoffenheim, as good as always they could impress more or less, only last home game against Pauli (1-1) was a disappointment. Eduardo and still Jaissle are out what is to compensate considering the great squad.

Köln with only 1 point in previous 3 away games actually don't make much hope for improvement as they simply don't get on fire. Individual class is the danger with the FC but also Hoffenheim are quality. What more counts on the guests' side is that they hardly can play a strong game over 90 minutes, in opposite, I have the feeling that Köln more often couldn't stand their ambitons after kick off really.The Aue win was lucky just like against Paderborn. Köln deservingly lost at Osnabrück, at Gladbach before, they had finally made a good game.

Hoffenheim (-0.25) AH @ 2.08 betdaq 4/10

McFly · 25-11-2007, 09:37

Augsburg v Aachen

Generally, I like the over here but have Augsburg not scored frequently and Aachen without succes on the road recently. The guests are in better form and odds tempting, so that I back them with small stake. Their away record is poor (1-1-4), still recent games at Aue, Osnabrück and Gladbach were solid performances. Aachen just beat a strong K'lautern in previous round which was a bit lucky at the end. But they're currently looking more dangerous than Augsburg, which haven't won in last 6. Augsburg looked toothless, they didn't net in 3/4 recently. They use to be more forcing and simply better in their home games but the last performance there against K'lautern was mediocre and without any threat. Still, Augsburg are not the clear outsider here probaby, but the Aachen odds seem to represent some value.

Alemannia Aachen @ 3.2 betfair 2/10

GL

Densa85 · 25-11-2007, 11:14

Hi Axel,

really good choice again here with your tips.

But i can´t agree with Hoffenheim AH 0,25. I would say AH 0 on Köln is better.

Carlos Eduardo is out and he is the playmaker in Hoffenheim.But my Köln team has a good player back with Vucicevic.So i would say AH 0 on Köln.

Aachen is a value bet these odds are a little bit to high i would say 2,6 would be ok but 3,2 is too much.

And Aue is a really good choice would say 3-Way is also a nice odd.Aue strong home team and without any key players.

chiqo · 25-11-2007, 11:15

Augsburg - Aachen
for me Aachen is the winner here too. Augsburg miss Szabics and rookie Ingo Hertzsch infront of this match. Aachen goach Buchwald trained hard in the 2 week break and welcome back first keeper Stefan Straub he had a flu.
Aachen have some problems on foreign courts but Buchwald has more experience than Ralf Loose (Augsburg Coach). It´s his first job as head coach and Buchwald won the J-league. He knows how to motivate a team and transfered good players like Milchraum (3 goals) from 1860 munich or Kolev (4 goals). Aachen haven´t injury problems - Augsburg miss important players.

- Aachen to win

chiqo · 25-11-2007, 11:16

Quote:

But i can´t agree with Hoffenheim AH 0,25. I would say AH 0 on Köln is better.

could it be that you´re from cologne

23-11-2007, 10:15	#2 (permalink)
McFly Torn Punter Join Date: 12 Oct 2005 Location: Munich Age: 28 Posts: 5,091	Re: Germany - Bundesliga II (Nov 23-26) Paderborn v Greuther Fürth Paderborn with the next try to claim first victory. Not easy what to expect from them actually since last 2 games were average performances at best. On the other hand, there are the few good ones from before. Not to forget, they play a tough team. Greuther Fürth have full squad for the first time, challenge is huge especially in midfield. The team with new face this season again, play surprisingly consistent and could underline their ambitions. Even more was possible but the guests aslo missed quite much. That's what happened in the 1-1 against Freiburg, Greuther Fürth would have deserved to win. Last 2 away games were won and they look mature already as a whole. So Fürth were made favorites for reason, after all the away win looks like the most likely outcome. I considered to play them but in a way can't write off Paderborn actually. Would say value is rather on the home win but as Fürth are capable to nick it, I avoid such a bet. What I wanted play anyway is the over which is well paid in my eyes. As said, the Greuther come to a lot chances what is positvive in contrast to the feequent missing. But they are regular scorers and also conceded a few after defence hardly had been passed in first some games. Paderborn of course are no big threat regarding the 7 goals so far but those were shoot in recent games so that they had scored regulary in the period before the Koblenz game (4/7 overs). Also did they concede simply too much. The guests were dominated by Mainz in last home game but also missed the chance to win it by missing a penalty. Koen is returning so that offence is a little stronger again. Paderborn legend Müller is on bench at least and really is a good joker. Siradze is out for the attack though. Over 2.5 goals @2.08 betfair 4/10

23-11-2007, 10:51	#3 (permalink)
McFly Torn Punter Join Date: 12 Oct 2005 Location: Munich Age: 28 Posts: 5,091	Re: Germany - Bundesliga II (Nov 23-26) Osnabrück v Jena Like Fürth in first game, Osnbrück for reason are favorites in this one. Still, this round may become more tricky than it looks at first but at least some smaller stake on Osnbrück should be worth it. Osnabrück keep on loosing on the road but latest performances reminded of the pretty strong home games (4-1-0). The tradition club have been the better and more consistent if we neglect the first away game of the VfL Osnbrück. Carl Zeiss Jena have kinda manic depressive play, so shaky their play tends to become. They were more or less chanceless in first half against Hoffenheim to dominate even in second half then. But the table doesn't lie, they just have to become more clever and efficient in the front. Jena scored quite regulary in the last few weeks but recent problems remind of the mediocre season beginning. But especially on the road, the guests mostly convinced, like at Gladbach. But we can more rely on the power of the home team Osnabrück than on a good Jena game over 90 minutes. Even if the guests make it, there is still the in form and powerful Osnabrück. Simak's missing means a serious weakness in the Jena offence, so overall, average stake seems proper. Actually, this one looks like a over since both teams are good for some offence action. But I'm not confident enough to play it at given odds. Osnabrück @2.09 betdaq 4/10

23-11-2007, 11:16	#4 (permalink)
atothek Senior Punter Join Date: 28 Sep 2006 Posts: 118	Re: Germany - Bundesliga II (Nov 23-26) Hey McFly what do you think about Gladbach -1.5 tonight? Kickers with some absences, and with Friend and Neuville in good form with the youngster Marin setting the pace i can see at least 2-0 for the home side here.

23-11-2007, 11:24	#5 (permalink)
McFly Torn Punter Join Date: 12 Oct 2005 Location: Munich Age: 28 Posts: 5,091	Re: Germany - Bundesliga II (Nov 23-26) SV Wehen v Koblenz Trying not to underestimate the excellent promoter Wehen, who already had a couple of strong performance, especially at home. But I think draw and away win are more likely so that there is some value for me on the guests. Koblenz disappointed in last game against Paderborn, coach Rapolder and most probably had expected more force. Well, they prooved in most of the last few games that they're capable to have enough of it. Koblenz are hard to play for Wehen since defence has been solid on the road (only 1 defeat in last 4), but also the other way round is possible even though the Wehen defence was not always stable. The game looks interesting and I rather reckon that both teams will play forward so that the over should have good chances. On the other hand, both played 0-0 in last games, Wehen even in last 2. Koblenz DNB @2.5 stan james 3/10

23-11-2007, 17:52	#8 (permalink)
Densa85 http://densa85.blogabet.c Join Date: 06 Apr 2006 Location: Cologne/Germany Age: 23 Posts: 264	Re: Germany - Bundesliga II (Nov 23-26) Hi Mc, good punt on Koblenz tonight i have a bad run that i never had before. Unbelievable __________________ Betting is a Marathon not a Sprint!!!!

23-11-2007, 17:54	#9 (permalink)
McFly Torn Punter Join Date: 12 Oct 2005 Location: Munich Age: 28 Posts: 5,091	Re: Germany - Bundesliga II (Nov 23-26) The late Jena egaliser hurt, pushing me back to level. Still, hats off Jena with 10 men mostly. Paderborn really with the first win over Fürth, sadly the potential for more goals was not converted. Good that Gladbach and Koblenz won but profit was close.......

23-11-2007, 17:56	#10 (permalink)
Aphobos Formerly Delavida Join Date: 02 Aug 2007 Posts: 880	Re: Germany - Bundesliga II (Nov 23-26) That was criminal by Osnabruck. This is the second time in BII that a team I have backed has led 1:0 and given away an injury time free kick which the opposition has scored from. I can't help thinking that if Jena had kept 11 men on the park Osnabruck would have won. After a bright start the home side turned off with the one man advantage but again some shocking finishing in the second half. __________________ nailthebookie.blogspot.com

24-11-2007, 04:29	#13 (permalink)
Unbelievable Dedicated Punter Join Date: 30 Nov 2006 Posts: 216	Re: Germany - Bundesliga II (Nov 23-26) Osnabruck __________________ Be Bold but Cautious

25-11-2007, 08:44	#14 (permalink)
McFly Torn Punter Join Date: 12 Oct 2005 Location: Munich Age: 28 Posts: 5,091	Re: Germany - Bundesliga II (Nov 23-26) Aue v St. Pauli I think the guests can't really be written off but I reckon home win and after the draw are the more likely results. Aue are in good shape, under pressure and play at home - a combination which lets me being confident of them. In nearly all recent games, Aue could convince. They just defeated unluckily at Köln but won last 2 home games which was vital for them. Aue put much into their home games and are hard to play there, besides also their play could improve significantly. They won both testings last week, even over a Czech first league team. Sankt Pauli with a defeat would loose the small gap to bottom. They won against Augsburg after 4 winless games. It was no great win but Pauli had convince at Hoffenheim by instance. But they lost 4/5 on the raoad recently and here they should be outsider for reason. Might become a over but I feel better playing the home win only. Aue (-0.25) AH @ 2.0 bet365 5/10

25-11-2007, 09:01	#15 (permalink)
McFly Torn Punter Join Date: 12 Oct 2005 Location: Munich Age: 28 Posts: 5,091	Re: Germany - Bundesliga II (Nov 23-26) Freiburg v 1860 München Not much doubt that Freiburg are favorite to win it even though they face a dangerous side of course. They were a little lucky to draw at Fürth last weekend but nothing can be said against their form of the last few weeks. The best argument is that each home game got won even though they partly struggled to score. Still, Freiburg are one of the powerful league sides, especially now where they're as good as complete. 1860 made a quite good game vs. Gladbach considering whom they played and that they play with a defence of kids over a wide part (the misery there has relaxed in the meanwhile). Before, they hardly had been in form even though last 3 were without defeat. They played two 0-0's in a row and scoring will get harder without key player Göktan in this one. The guests with only 1 away defeat so far but it could easily be more since they tend to play quite hestitating there. That's why I deny the over, also the solid 1860 defence speaks against it. Freiburg @ 2.0 betfair 4/10

25-11-2007, 09:19	#16 (permalink)
McFly Torn Punter Join Date: 12 Oct 2005 Location: Munich Age: 28 Posts: 5,091	Re: Germany - Bundesliga II (Nov 23-26) Hoffenheim v Köln Hoffenheim odds partly are short, wouldnt play them straigthly under 2.4 actually. The much better bet is the AH what gives good value for the clearly more consistent side Hoffenheim which have what it takes to beat the extremely volatile Köln (with the tendency to under perform). Hoffenheim without a defeat in last 9 games (scored in each of them) could win 3/4 recent home games. They come on the back of a deserved 1-0 victory from Jena. Regarding form of Hoffenheim, as good as always they could impress more or less, only last home game against Pauli (1-1) was a disappointment. Eduardo and still Jaissle are out what is to compensate considering the great squad. Köln with only 1 point in previous 3 away games actually don't make much hope for improvement as they simply don't get on fire. Individual class is the danger with the FC but also Hoffenheim are quality. What more counts on the guests' side is that they hardly can play a strong game over 90 minutes, in opposite, I have the feeling that Köln more often couldn't stand their ambitons after kick off really.The Aue win was lucky just like against Paderborn. Köln deservingly lost at Osnabrück, at Gladbach before, they had finally made a good game. Hoffenheim (-0.25) AH @ 2.08 betdaq 4/10

25-11-2007, 09:37	#17 (permalink)
McFly Torn Punter Join Date: 12 Oct 2005 Location: Munich Age: 28 Posts: 5,091	Re: Germany - Bundesliga II (Nov 23-26) Augsburg v Aachen Generally, I like the over here but have Augsburg not scored frequently and Aachen without succes on the road recently. The guests are in better form and odds tempting, so that I back them with small stake. Their away record is poor (1-1-4), still recent games at Aue, Osnabrück and Gladbach were solid performances. Aachen just beat a strong K'lautern in previous round which was a bit lucky at the end. But they're currently looking more dangerous than Augsburg, which haven't won in last 6. Augsburg looked toothless, they didn't net in 3/4 recently. They use to be more forcing and simply better in their home games but the last performance there against K'lautern was mediocre and without any threat. Still, Augsburg are not the clear outsider here probaby, but the Aachen odds seem to represent some value. Alemannia Aachen @ 3.2 betfair 2/10 GL

25-11-2007, 11:14	#18 (permalink)
Densa85 http://densa85.blogabet.c Join Date: 06 Apr 2006 Location: Cologne/Germany Age: 23 Posts: 264	Re: Germany - Bundesliga II (Nov 23-26) Hi Axel, really good choice again here with your tips. But i can´t agree with Hoffenheim AH 0,25. I would say AH 0 on Köln is better. Carlos Eduardo is out and he is the playmaker in Hoffenheim.But my Köln team has a good player back with Vucicevic.So i would say AH 0 on Köln. Aachen is a value bet these odds are a little bit to high i would say 2,6 would be ok but 3,2 is too much. And Aue is a really good choice would say 3-Way is also a nice odd.Aue strong home team and without any key players. __________________ Betting is a Marathon not a Sprint!!!!

25-11-2007, 11:15	#19 (permalink)
chiqo theunknown Join Date: 18 Aug 2006 Location: europe Posts: 959	Re: Germany - Bundesliga II (Nov 23-26) Augsburg - Aachen for me Aachen is the winner here too. Augsburg miss Szabics and rookie Ingo Hertzsch infront of this match. Aachen goach Buchwald trained hard in the 2 week break and welcome back first keeper Stefan Straub he had a flu. Aachen have some problems on foreign courts but Buchwald has more experience than Ralf Loose (Augsburg Coach). It´s his first job as head coach and Buchwald won the J-league. He knows how to motivate a team and transfered good players like Milchraum (3 goals) from 1860 munich or Kolev (4 goals). Aachen haven´t injury problems - Augsburg miss important players. - Aachen to win __________________ www.gamblers-delight.de