Wsop 2009 Variant Challenge - The Punters Lounge

Myrie16 · 02-06-2008, 17:59

I'll keep it brief.

Given up on qualifying for this year's WSOP. I'm not good enough and I don't have the cash to buy in directly

So I have a plan ... a grand master plan so to speak

Over the course of the next 12 months I aim to build a bankroll that covers my entry and expenses for at least 1 event at next year's WSOP.

Yes, same quest for glory as millions of others ..... so why am I different ??

Finally I have accepted the truth ..... Hold 'Em is not a game I do that well at !! So instead I am going to stick to games I have more success at - the lowball variants - Omaha Hi/Lo, 7 Stud Hi/Lo, Razz, HOSE and HORSE.

I will start with the micro tables and work my way up - hopefully this way I will learn some things about my game and improve as a player in all disciplines - and have some fun along the way !

Some rules for month 1;
1) Starting bankroll on Stars of $55 and my due rakeback (about $29) on Full Tilt. NO MORE DEPOSITING !
2) Buy-In for SnG and MTT no greater than $2 or 2% of my bankroll
3) No cash games
4) All results to be posted on the forum - if I go bust, you will see it here !!
5) An evaluation at the end of each month.

So, wish me luck.

Any input gratefully appreciated - this is work in progress so any comment valid

First game(s) tonight

slapdash · 02-06-2008, 18:20

Good luck.

GotaFancy? · 02-06-2008, 18:21

Good luck

Hope you pull it off

msaban · 02-06-2008, 18:24

good luck with this

Guppie · 02-06-2008, 18:32

Wish you every success at this.Bear in mind that as you go up in the levels,there are less fish playing in them compared to holdem but you have a while before you get to that stage.

Myrie16 · 02-06-2008, 19:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by strider

Wish you every success at this.Bear in mind that as you go up in the levels,there are less fish playing in them compared to holdem but you have a while before you get to that stage.

A long way, especially if tonight is anything to go by.

Game	Tournament	ID	Buy-In	Entrants	Finish	Cash Out	Balance
	Opening Balance						$55,00
1	NL Omaha Hi-Lo (Turbo)	90567201	$1,20	45	31	$0,00	$53,80
2	LIMIT Omaha Hi-Lo (Turbo)	90602946	$1,75	18	8	$0,00	$52,05
3	HORSE (Turbo)	90619559	$1,75	16	11	$0,00	$50,30

Got annoyed by a muppet in game 1 and didnt apply any control in the other 2 ..... not the game I've played in MTTs recently

1st Lesson - patience young grasshopper

Call it a night for now ... next games on wednesday, day off so can play the freerolls on stars for some practice.

Thanks for the wishes !

Fonzie14 · 02-06-2008, 19:22

All the best Myrie.

Will be interesting to see how your game develops over the coming months.

voiceofjoe · 02-06-2008, 19:58

Think you'll have to play ring games on these to work up any type of potential WSOP Buy-in.

But good luck anyway

Valiant23 · 02-06-2008, 20:07

Best of luck Myre.

wurzel133 · 02-06-2008, 20:17

g l you havent put your target amount

Myrie16 · 02-06-2008, 20:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by voiceofjoe

Think you'll have to play ring games on these to work up any type of potential WSOP Buy-in.

But good luck anyway

You might be right there. Quite possibly further down the line. Even at low stakes I can probably earn more $$ quicker so I will most likely introduce cash games in a month or two.

To begin with I guess it's more about spending a month grinding it out at some low stakes SnG, practice playing some solid poker (as above you can see I suffer badly from impatience) and manage my bankroll better.

My first goal is one of the $1500 events (PL Omaha8 is my favourite), plus flights and hotel for one week ..... would $4000 cover that ??

Step one is to double my starting bankroll $55 + $39 .... round it up to $100 - so $200 by end of June.
Playing at such low stakes I think this will be tough, but possible I think .... is this too ambitious ??

GotaFancy? · 02-06-2008, 20:41

About $3000 needed altogether then? That's "only" about $10 a day - keep that in mind - should help the patience/discipline - you dont need to win a lot every day......pick your spots....

EDIT Probably more applicable to Cash play than tournaments - sorry

Myrie16 · 02-06-2008, 21:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by GotaFancy?

About $3000 needed altogether then? That's "only" about $10 a day - keep that in mind - should help the patience/discipline - you dont need to win a lot every day......pick your spots....

EDIT Probably more applicable to Cash play than tournaments - sorry

Dont be sorry

There's a point to getting input from others

In terms of good bankroll management, any recommendations for level to start with on a $50 bankroll ?
How many BB should I be buying in for ?

GotaFancy? · 02-06-2008, 21:53

IF you're playing STTs, and it's more money than you could replace, then you should never buy in for more than about 5% of your bankroll. So with $50, you should look to play for a maximum of $2.50. You should reevaluate this before every game you play and be prepared to move down.

If you believe you are beating a level well, you want to take a bigger risk (of going bust), then you can probably "gamble" with up to 10% of your bankroll. (So up to $5 STTs with a $50 bank).

If you're talking MTTs, then I think you should probably be looking at never buying in for more than about 2% of your bankroll (though I'm less sure of conventionally accepted numbers for this).

For cash games, you probably want to look at similar numbers to STTs. It can be legitimate to buy in short or buy in deep, but you need to be aware that your stack size should have a significant impact on the way you play your game.

voiceofjoe · 02-06-2008, 23:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by GotaFancy?

For cash games, you probably want to look at similar numbers to STTs. It can be legitimate to buy in short or buy in deep, but you need to be aware that your stack size should have a significant impact on the way you play your game.

GAf these are all limit games (i presume no PL in there?) - so $100 would buy you into 0.50/$1 quite comfortably - and making $10 a day at those limts is attainable (But a little tedious)

Myrie16 · 04-06-2008, 09:46

So, couple things today;

1) Dont know how I got it wrong but the planned freerolls on Stars didnt take place

disappointing
2) Broke the rules already and played a $20 Hi-Lo MTT

Hopefully learnt my lesson as I didnt cash so basically gave myself a $22 handicap for the day.

Apart from that it was a positive session, mixed results but back to my starting bankroll so consider it successful

Date	Game	Tournament	ID	Buy-In	Entrants	Finish	Cash Out	Balance
		Opening Balance						$50,30
4.6.2008	4	PL Omaha Hi-Lo (Turbo)	90755824	$22,00	183	122	$0,00	$28,30
4.6.2008	5	NL Omaha Hi-Lo	90795489	$1,20	45	26	$0,00	$27,10
4.6.2008	6	NL Omaha Hi-Lo (Turbo)	90818126	$1,75	18	18	$0,00	$25,35
4.6.2008	7	NL Omaha Hi-Lo (Turbo)	90811672	$1,75	18	14	$0,00	$23,60
4.6.2008	8	PL Omaha Hi-Lo	90744297	$1,20	45	13	$0,00	$22,40
4.6.2008	9	Razz (Turbo)	90782986	$1,75	16	12	$0,00	$20,65
4.6.2008	10	NL Omaha Hi-Lo (Turbo)	90817664	$1,75	18	11	$0,00	$18,90
4.6.2008	11	NL Omaha Hi-Lo (Turbo)	90809452	$1,75	18	5	$0,00	$17,15
4.6.2008	12	PL Omaha Hi-Lo (Turbo)	90808706	$1,75	18	4	$2,70	$18,10

02-06-2008, 17:59	#1 (permalink)
Myrie16 Dedicated Punter Join Date: 12 Mar 2008 Posts: 270	Wsop 2009 Variant Challenge I'll keep it brief. Given up on qualifying for this year's WSOP. I'm not good enough and I don't have the cash to buy in directly So I have a plan ... a grand master plan so to speak Over the course of the next 12 months I aim to build a bankroll that covers my entry and expenses for at least 1 event at next year's WSOP. Yes, same quest for glory as millions of others ..... so why am I different ?? Finally I have accepted the truth ..... Hold 'Em is not a game I do that well at !! So instead I am going to stick to games I have more success at - the lowball variants - Omaha Hi/Lo, 7 Stud Hi/Lo, Razz, HOSE and HORSE. I will start with the micro tables and work my way up - hopefully this way I will learn some things about my game and improve as a player in all disciplines - and have some fun along the way ! Some rules for month 1; 1) Starting bankroll on Stars of $55 and my due rakeback (about $29) on Full Tilt. NO MORE DEPOSITING ! 2) Buy-In for SnG and MTT no greater than $2 or 2% of my bankroll 3) No cash games 4) All results to be posted on the forum - if I go bust, you will see it here !! 5) An evaluation at the end of each month. So, wish me luck. Any input gratefully appreciated - this is work in progress so any comment valid First game(s) tonight

02-06-2008, 18:20	#2 (permalink)
slapdash Junior Punter Join Date: 30 Oct 2004 Posts: 11,907 Awards Showcase Total Awards: 3	Re: Wsop 2009 Variant Challenge Good luck.

02-06-2008, 18:21	#3 (permalink)
GotaFancy? God Punter Join Date: 18 Jun 2005 Posts: 33,062 Awards Showcase Total Awards: 4	Re: Wsop 2009 Variant Challenge Good luck Hope you pull it off

02-06-2008, 18:24	#4 (permalink)
msaban God Punter Join Date: 02 Nov 2001 Location: On the wrong side of the pennines and down a bit Age: 32 Posts: 2,559	Re: Wsop 2009 Variant Challenge good luck with this __________________ http://sabanpokerblog.blogspot.com/

02-06-2008, 18:32	#5 (permalink)
Guppie a.k.a. Strider Join Date: 21 Apr 2007 Posts: 3,757 Awards Showcase Total Awards: 2	Re: Wsop 2009 Variant Challenge Wish you every success at this.Bear in mind that as you go up in the levels,there are less fish playing in them compared to holdem but you have a while before you get to that stage.

02-06-2008, 19:22	#7 (permalink)
Fonzie14 Shrewdie Punter Join Date: 06 Feb 2008 Location: Lincoln Age: 46 Posts: 886 Awards Showcase Total Awards: 1	Re: Wsop 2009 Variant Challenge All the best Myrie. Will be interesting to see how your game develops over the coming months.

02-06-2008, 19:58	#8 (permalink)
voiceofjoe aka Roger Melly Join Date: 24 Jul 2006 Location: Chesterfield,Derbyshire Age: 43 Posts: 1,139	Re: Wsop 2009 Variant Challenge Think you'll have to play ring games on these to work up any type of potential WSOP Buy-in. But good luck anyway __________________ http://voiceofjoe.blogspot.com/

02-06-2008, 20:07	#9 (permalink)
Valiant23 Vienti Tres Join Date: 06 Aug 2005 Location: On the road Age: 40 Posts: 13,475	Re: Wsop 2009 Variant Challenge Best of luck Myre. __________________ You can spend your time alone re digesting past regrets, Or you can come to terms and realize you're the only one who can forgive yourself. Makes much more sense to live in the present tense.

02-06-2008, 20:17	#10 (permalink)
wurzel133 muppet punter Join Date: 19 Aug 2006 Location: dorset Posts: 296	Re: Wsop 2009 Variant Challenge g l you havent put your target amount

02-06-2008, 20:41	#12 (permalink)
GotaFancy? God Punter Join Date: 18 Jun 2005 Posts: 33,062 Awards Showcase Total Awards: 4	Re: Wsop 2009 Variant Challenge About $3000 needed altogether then? That's "only" about $10 a day - keep that in mind - should help the patience/discipline - you dont need to win a lot every day......pick your spots.... EDIT Probably more applicable to Cash play than tournaments - sorry

02-06-2008, 21:53	#14 (permalink)
GotaFancy? God Punter Join Date: 18 Jun 2005 Posts: 33,062 Awards Showcase Total Awards: 4	Re: Wsop 2009 Variant Challenge IF you're playing STTs, and it's more money than you could replace, then you should never buy in for more than about 5% of your bankroll. So with $50, you should look to play for a maximum of $2.50. You should reevaluate this before every game you play and be prepared to move down. If you believe you are beating a level well, you want to take a bigger risk (of going bust), then you can probably "gamble" with up to 10% of your bankroll. (So up to $5 STTs with a $50 bank). If you're talking MTTs, then I think you should probably be looking at never buying in for more than about 2% of your bankroll (though I'm less sure of conventionally accepted numbers for this). For cash games, you probably want to look at similar numbers to STTs. It can be legitimate to buy in short or buy in deep, but you need to be aware that your stack size should have a significant impact on the way you play your game.