Top players proving themselves again at WSOP

[Nade]

With Negreanu winning a bracelet in the $2k Limit Hold'Em event it means already 4 top players have won bracelets at this years WSOP. The others being Matusow, Lindgren and David Singer.

I've been quite critical of Negreanu and Matusow as they've got a lot from poker in terms of endorsements the last few yrs without major success but now they rank amongst the elite again and all credit to them i think they're reputable players again

Lindgren has got his first bracelet too in the $5k mixed Hold'Em event which marks him out now as one of the best players around now he's proven it in the WSOP.

I wonder why top players are starting to have consistent success again. Maybe they've been worried about the slowing poker economy in the US with the gambling bill and poker shows on TV getting bad ratings so they're putting more effort in to succeed at the game to make money again.

Whereas the last few years they've been able to rely heavily on endorsements for income (and still do) but maybe they know it's not a guaranteed economy anymore so are working harder to get better or maybe they've adjusted to the modern game with internet kids changing it up. It's open to debate.

[slapdash]

Is it that much different from recent years?

There've been 20 events decided so far.

In the first 20 events in 2007, Allen Cunningham and Phil Hellmuth won bracelets.

In the first 20 events in 2006, David Williams, Sam Farha, Allen Cunningham (though maybe at the time he wouldn't have ranked in a lot of people's "top players" list) and Chip Reese won bracelets.

OK, Chip Reese's was in the $50k HORSE, which was a relatively small field packed with name pros. But so was the $5k+rebuys 7-2 Lowball event where Matusow won his bracelet this year.

[Nade]

Clearly, yes.

50% mark up in success rate for top players ....

[slapdash]

Originally Posted by Nade

Clearly, yes.

50% mark up in success rate for top players ....

If you were doing a proper degree like maths, you'd understand things like Poisson distributions.

One thing that's changed this year is the increase in higher buy-in events, which is likely to lead to smaller fields in those events, and hence more pros winning. I'm not sure that's been too much of a factor yet, though, although two of the "top player bracelets" you mentioned were in $5k+ events.

[slapdash]

Originally Posted by slapdash

If you were doing a proper degree like maths, you'd understand things like Poisson distributions.

I think that's the most condescending thing I've ever posted on PL!

Sorry.

[Tom Hedonist]

Originally Posted by slapdash

I think that's the most condescending thing I've ever posted on PL!

Nonsense.

Thats about average.

(Sorry also )

[slapdash]

Originally Posted by Tom Hedonist

Nonsense.

Thats about average.

[Nade]

Yes yours was condescending but mine was pure laziness I really don't care for maths, sorry slap

Point of my OP was just to praise the Pros anyway.

[Fonzie14]

So 'poisson distribution' isn't the location of all the bad French poker players then??

[Samba_SamPa]

Originally Posted by slapdash

If you were doing a proper degree like maths, you'd understand things like Poisson distributions.
.

The greater the quantity of fish the more your chance of winning?

[Nade]

Add Greenstein and Kenny Tran to that list

And have you seen the final table for PLO event

Seat 1: John Juanda 740,000
Seat 2: Phil Hellmuth 150,000
Seat 3: David Benyamine 1,020,000
Seat 4: Kirill Gerasimov 620,000
Seat 5: Phil Galfond 660,000
Seat 6: Daniel Negreanu 1,080,000
Seat 7: Brian Rast 910,000
Seat 8: Adam Hourani 390,000
Seat 9: Chris Ferguson 300,000
Seat 10: Johnny Chan 530,000


Poker is all luck American politicians you're right !

[GazBlades]

Originally Posted by Nade

Add Greenstein and Kenny Tran to that list

And have you seen the final table for PLO event

Seat 1: John Juanda 740,000
Seat 2: Phil Hellmuth 150,000
Seat 3: David Benyamine 1,020,000
Seat 4: Kirill Gerasimov 620,000
Seat 5: Phil Galfond 660,000
Seat 6: Daniel Negreanu 1,080,000
Seat 7: Brian Rast 910,000
Seat 8: Adam Hourani 390,000
Seat 9: Chris Ferguson 300,000
Seat 10: Johnny Chan 530,000


Poker is all luck American politicians you're right !

If I had $85,000 spare, I might be able to do that too.... Negreanu has to finish 8th or higher to make a profit in this event......

[stereoman]

I can't wait to see what the odds are for that final table for Event 28. I think only Sportingbet and Stan James are bothered about having a go.

EDIT: Didn't check in the past hour and they've already done the seating assignments:

Seat 1: John Juanda 694,000
Seat 2: Phil Hellmuth 119,000
Seat 3: David Benyamine 1,041,000
Seat 4: Kirill Gerasimov 558,000
Seat 5: Phil Galfond 1,393,000
Seat 6: Daniel Negreanu 460,000
Seat 7: Brian Rast 1,176,000
Seat 8: Adam Hourani 300,000
Seat 9: Johnny Chan 624,000

Yeah, Chris Ferguson is the unfortunate 'TV bubble' boy.

EDIT 2: Sportingbet first off the blocks!

[Samba_SamPa]

Just dutched Galfond, Benyamine and Chan for £20 to win £35

[GotaFancy?]

Phil Galfond is the 2plus2 player who got into High stakes poker (and looked a bit out of his depth) isn't it?

[slapdash]

Originally Posted by GotaFancy?

Phil Galfond is the 2plus2 player who got into High stakes poker (and looked a bit out of his depth) isn't it?

Well, he won $20k in two hours on HSP, apparently.

Here's what he said about it.

[JackJarvis]

Hellmuth at 25/1???

I know he needs a good few double ups but those odds are huge.

[slapdash]

Originally Posted by JackJarvis

Hellmuth at 25/1???

I know he needs a good few double ups but those odds are huge.

Actually, I was thinking exactly the opposite. I wouldn't take 50/1. This isn't an anti-Hellmuth comment, but he has less than 1 in 60 of the chips in play and he's against some extremely good Omaha players.

[Nade]

I have a feeling one of the high stakes PLO players on FTP will win.

Degenyamine already up $5m this year is my shout.

[Nade]

Here he goes ...

Quick Double-Up for Hellmuth

The table folded around to the blinds, and Hellmuth completed. Benyamine checked his option.

The flop came . Hellmuth checked, Benyamine bet 25,000, and Hellmuth called. The turn was the and Hellmuth quickly moved all in. Benyamine called.

Hellmuth showed K-Q-9-7 for top two, and Benyamine K-6-6-4 for a lesser two pair. The river was the , giving Hellmuth the boat. Hellmuth doubles up about 240,000.