Punters Lounge exclusive leagues

[GotaFancy?]

Ok people - I'm after some feedback, and maybe creative inspiration!!!

What do you like about the PL exclusive leagues? What don't you like about them? What would you like to see added? What would you like to see removed?

Do you like the points system? Would you prefer an alternative? (e.g. just count prize winnings)

Do you like the 3 from 6 (or whatever it is for each league)? Would you prefer more games counting? Mayber fewer games?

Do you prefer PL exclusive games, (e.g. Paradise/Titan now) or would you rather the games on "public" tables (e.g. like the SO $ Challenge used to be)? (It doesn't have to be just a $ table - so could be a higher standard/buy in)

Do you like variations included? Or would you prefer just holdem?

Do you prefer cash prizes or would you like seats into other bigger events?

Any other suggestions?

It's looking likely that we will be having another Titan league (nothing confirmed yet), just looking for some inspiration on the format - no promises that anything suggested will be integrated - but I do promise to consider every idea carefully

[GotaFancy?]

Lots of chips and slow blinds, or fewer chips and faster blinds?

[gazabroad]

Personally I liked the idea of the stt league that we started under the guise of area v area.
I also like the format of points as opposed to prize money but would not be averse to trying it the other way.
After the previous discussion its clear that many people would like to step up a bit but in order to include the majority it should be a small step.

How about starting a similar league to that of the existing focus games but keeping it to PL exclusive, and doing away with the freerolls. Maybe games that cost between $1 and $10 depending upon the site and day played. The private games we used to play on Prima were always liked by all but not supported so much as they were late. Something upon the same lines but earlier maybe.

[slick mick]

I love Pl exclusive games (especially if NLHE) I find they remove the variance of many of the lottery type focus games. I would like to see bigger stacks and slower blinds as it brings more skill to the game. I also think it would be interesting to see different scoring structures (If the mansion league had been scored on cash wins I would have been a clear winner) though mainly because I can't raise much enthusiasm for freerolls.

[GotaFancy?]

Originally Posted by gazabroad

Personally I liked the idea of the stt league that we started under the guise of area v area.
I also like the format of points as opposed to prize money but would not be averse to trying it the other way.
After the previous discussion its clear that many people would like to step up a bit but in order to include the majority it should be a small step.

How about starting a similar league to that of the existing focus games but keeping it to PL exclusive, and doing away with the freerolls. Maybe games that cost between $1 and $10 depending upon the site and day played. The private games we used to play on Prima were always liked by all but not supported so much as they were late. Something upon the same lines but earlier maybe.

Gaz - I think you're talking more about Focus games are you?

This is more related to the value added leagues so all the extra money given to us by Joe Legge and Mansion and Titan - so very seldom freerolls and if it's a PL exclusive game, it's not really in our interests to increase the buy in (or incidentally in the poker rooms - for the minimal extra rake they generate, they are excluding potential future customers who play lower buy ins)

[gazabroad]

Sorry yes I misunderstood.

But, while on the subject of the focus games, I thought You were after ideas as for changing things.
If so see previous post

[the croc]

i like the leagues/scoring just as they are,but agree with mick about deep stacks,slower blinds.if we could have 1 specific deep stack league that would be great although i realise it could cause problems during the week with the time it would take,but since we struggle for a focus game on a saturday that would be an ideal solution.

[Penelopeys]

Originally Posted by the croc(BPP)

i like the leagues/scoring just as they are,but agree with mick about deep stacks,slower blinds.if we could have 1 specific deep stack league that would be great although i realise it could cause problems during the week with the time it would take,but since we struggle for a focus game on a saturday that would be an ideal solution.

I agree with Croc

[GotaFancy?]

Originally Posted by gazabroad

Sorry yes I misunderstood.

But, while on the subject of the focus games, I thought You were after ideas as for changing things.
If so see previous post

Hehe - no worries

One thing at a time for me But once we have this sorted, I'll move your post to a new thread and we can have a discussion on Focus Games

[GotaFancy?]

I think at the moment ALL of our leagues are deeper stacked and slower blinds than the "normal" on each site....

Are you talking REALLY deep stacked here? Like 10,000 starting chips? As you say, difficult during the week, but maybe a friday night/saturday afternoon/saturday evening could work - but I've also the belief that friday and saturday nights would be unpopular (I could be wrong)

[robilaruk]

fridays are easier than saturdays for me (if we are voting!)

I am not sure a 10K is a good idea - but certainly 4-5K is a possibility - that should take about 4 hours? if we have 12 mins blinds


Damo

Originally Posted by GotaFancy?

I think at the moment ALL of our leagues are deeper stacked and slower blinds than the "normal" on each site....

Are you talking REALLY deep stacked here? Like 10,000 starting chips? As you say, difficult during the week, but maybe a friday night/saturday afternoon/saturday evening could work - but I've also the belief that friday and saturday nights would be unpopular (I could be wrong)

[the croc]

i would like to see a 5000 chips 30 min blinds format,i think even with this we would finish it under 4 hrs

[robilaruk]

OUCH

starting blinds would be what - 25/50 - that would give your 100BB? by end of hour 3 it would be 400/800
25/50
50/100
100/200
200/400
300/600
400/800

with 40 players thats 200 000 chips so 10 players left=20K each so we all still have 10BB+ - not too bad, but lets not start it at 10/20 as that adds at least another hour (and probably 2!)

interesting suggestion - it might be good for the final game in the series as a finale?

Damo

Originally Posted by the croc(BPP)

i would like to see a 5000 chips 30 min blinds format,i think even with this we would finish it under 4 hrs

[GotaFancy?]

Originally Posted by the croc(BPP)

i would like to see a 5000 chips 30 min blinds format,i think even with this we would finish it under 4 hrs

Well that depends......

0 - 30 mins 10/20
30 - 60 mins 15/30
60 - 90 mins 25/50
90 - 120 mins 50/100
120 - 150 mins 75/150
150 - 180 mins 100/200
180 - 210 mins 150/300
210 - 240 mins 200/400

This format would certainly favour the rocks!!!!

I don't know how much flexibility each of the sites have - some of them are fixed formats ..... but IF we can do it, the way to go may be to have just ONE deep stack game in the league to start off with and see how it goes ..... then revaluate it in future games.....

[GotaFancy?]

Originally Posted by robilaruk

interesting suggestion - it might be good for the final game in the series as a finale?

I like that

Though will people who are not near the money have the patience to play it through? Maybe better as first game of the series when everyone still has everything to play for?

[robilaruk]

actually you could reg for the tourney - go down the pub for a couple of hours, come back and still have 4K+ in chips and the blinds be at 75/150

now there is a thought - am wondering if you could actually sit out and finish on the FT?

Damo

Originally Posted by GotaFancy?

Well that depends......


This format would certainly favour the rocks!!!!
...

[msaban]

GAF - I think the way that you run the leagues now is excellent, Ive even pinched the idea for a league we run in our Friday club just extended it too 10 weeks. So happy how they currently are, but would enjoy deeper stack games.

Anychance you can Pokerstars to sponsor a league, as IMO they are still unrivaled for their software

[GotaFancy?]

Originally Posted by msaban

Anychance you can Pokerstars to sponsor a league, as IMO they are still unrivaled for their software

I have approached them before but didn't get much of a response from them...... can try again, but wouldn't hold out much hope.....

[robilaruk]

tricky one - it seems better to have it as the last game as its a 'special' - tho i see the point of people not playing if they can't win, so you end up with only 16 of us for example


how about having double points for this if its the final game to encourage everyone to take part? (with the proviso that they have played the necessary other games to qual, so that is someone just wins this they don't finish ITM for the bonus amount?)

hmmm not sure - I think it should be the last game, but I am not sure how you will work it - anyhoo you're a MOD, so its up to you to sort it out!!

Damo

Originally Posted by GotaFancy?

I like that

Though will people who are not near the money have the patience to play it through? Maybe better as first game of the series when everyone still has everything to play for?

[Valiant23]

There are a few idea's that I like that have been already mentioned;

how about having double points for this if its the final game to encourage everyone to take part?

I've thought about the waning interest and how it can affect the league.

Under the current format people are rewarded for doing better at the beginning of a league than at the end.

I think it would be interesting to either;

• Not publicise the actual scores (although this would just result in speculation and rumour, plus Gaf? would always be aware of who is placed where)
• Score the league on the maximum or largest number of entrants. So if there are say 37, 44, 26, 37, and 22 players then all scores are based on 44 players participating. This would mean that the winner of any tournament is on a par with others.

I also think it the scoring system is too heavily biased towards tournament wins. Like Mick with his cash finishes I think that in more than one league I've been the most consistent player, but gone unrewarded because I haven't won.

Anychance you can Pokerstars to sponsor a league, as IMO they are still unrivaled for their software

I totally agree with this Mike, but maybe we could use Pokerstars as an 'open' league?

Do you prefer cash prizes or would you like seats into other bigger events?

I think that seats to big buy-in events are vital to persuade PLers who may not have the bankroll or confidence that they are actually good enough to compete at this level.

Remember Croc and Tax Monkey's high cash finishes in an Absolute network tourney, through winning the seats from the Goalpoker league?

I would love to see our monthly league winner playing and competing in the poker stars sunday milllion or other premium tournaments.