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| God Punter ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Join Date: 18 Jun 2005
Posts: 34,310
| DO you use PokerTracker on Prima? (You should - it's one network where you really should) You can have something like 8 or 12 tables open at a time, and Pokertracker will collect data as an observor - leave it running for a few days and you'll start to build up a database - then you'll start to be able to see the fish in PokerAce/Gametime + without restricting yourse;ves to the fish you've seen...... I'm building a database in Ladbrokes at the moment (with half an eye on a future cash challenge) and can see players like these in the database (at 25c/50c NL) Player 1 Played 8,891 Hands BB/100 (16.70) Total Profit/Loss ($742.20) Player 2 Played 1,159 Hands BB/100 (116.22) Total Profit/Loss ($673.51) W$/SD 30.30% Player 3 Played 1,455 BB/100 (81.26) Total Profit/Loss ($591.19) VP$IP 64.54% And there are loads of players like these...... |
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| | #22 (permalink) |
| Fearless Punter ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Join Date: 29 Aug 2002 Location: Essex Age: 33
Posts: 6,943
| Well a bit of a nightmate yesterday. The first hour I was a couple of dollars up. Made 1 mistake which cost me $19, but apart from that was happy with my play. I then chased a flush draw which missed, plus a couple of straight draws which again missed. Then another mistake which cost about $20. After analysing my hands, both mistakes stem from calling raises with suited cards (A2 & K7). In the cold light of day I know that I am only playing these cards looking for a flush, but I keep getting into trouble when I make a pair. Incidentally the A2 was beaten by AQ on an AQx board, and the K7 was beaten by AK on a K55 board - although I did get away from the second one eventually. I then made the cardinal sin of tilting largely and ended up walking into Aces. So instead of losing around $65 dollars I lost $112 and am back to square one for the year. I guess if I ignore the tilt and look at it as a session of missed draws - on another day maybe they hit and I win $65 - then it's possibly just variance. However I am beginning to wonder whether I'm just not good enough to play cash games. I certainly need to remove the mistakes - I'm aware I'm making them I just need to get away from them in the heat of the battle. Feb 3rd -$112 Overall +$254 |
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| Fearless Punter ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Join Date: 29 Aug 2002 Location: Essex Age: 33
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| I must admit I still haven't got round to buying my PT licence, so no I don't have GT running. And after yesterday's performance I really don't feel inclined to part with $55 at the moment either. Quote:
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| God Punter ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Join Date: 18 Jun 2005
Posts: 34,310
| Probably worth waiting for v 3 now, and not worth buying v 2..... Or maybe downloading the Beta - don't know if you get full access during Beta (Teaulc has done it - he should be able to advise ) |
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| God Punter ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Join Date: 17 Jan 2007 Location: Scotland
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| Fearless Punter ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Join Date: 29 Aug 2002 Location: Essex Age: 33
Posts: 6,943
| Another bad day. ** Game ID 1852687283 starting - 2008-02-04 21:20:58 ** Erlangen [Hold 'em] (0.25|0.50 No Limit - Cash Game) Real Money - steef_79 sitting in seat 1 with $47.77 - yantheman10k sitting in seat 2 with $50.36 [Dealer] - Im_Back sitting in seat 3 with $49.25 - Sleekshot sitting in seat 4 with $53.66 - venegar sitting in seat 5 with $21.64 - Fireblade187 sitting in seat 6 with $86.58 Im_Back posted the small blind - $0.25 Sleekshot posted the big blind - $0.50 ** Dealing card to Sleekshot: King of Clubs, 7 of Clubs venegar raised - $2.00 Fireblade187 folded steef_79 folded yantheman10k called - $2.00 Im_Back folded Sleekshot called - $2.00 ** Dealing the flop: King of Spades, 6 of Clubs, 10 of Clubs Sleekshot checked venegar bet - $3.50 yantheman10k raised - $7.00 Sleekshot raised - $27.25 venegar went all-in - $16.14 yantheman10k called - $27.25 ** Dealing the turn: Jack of Spades Sleekshot went all-in - $24.91 yantheman10k went all-in - $21.11 ** Dealing the river: 5 of Spades Sleekshot shows: King of Clubs, 7 of Clubs yantheman10k shows: Ace of Clubs, King of Hearts venegar shows: 10 of Spades, 10 of Diamonds yantheman10k wins $57.44 from side pot 1 venegar wins $62.17 from the main pot End of game 1852687283 You could argue that I shouldn't have called, esp after what I wrote about suited cards, however this is the flop I am playing them for. I can live with that, although it would be nice to hit a draw once in a while. The rest of the session I'm playing ok but I get no action with my PP's, my flushes are not paid when they do hit and when I get a small blind special to get 2 pair versus AJ on a Ace high board, the board pairs and I lose again. Am thoroughly fcuked off with this game at the moment. Maybe I am just shit at it. |
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| Fearless Punter ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Join Date: 29 Aug 2002 Location: Essex Age: 33
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| Had a few days off. Played (and won ) a PL Omaha tourney last night to cheer me up. And decided to have a little go again just now.For once the majority of things went my way and I finished $65 up in 35 mins. Hopefully this is the start of the (long) road to recovery. ![]() Feb 9th +$65 Overall +$239 |
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| Fearless Punter ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Join Date: 29 Aug 2002 Location: Essex Age: 33
Posts: 6,943
| Decided whilst I was gonna play the Hawaii 501 bounty game on SJ I might as well play the Grand Prix too so played half hour earlier to get my 10 RH. And got $35 profit too. ![]() Feb 12th +$35 Overall +$286 |
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| | #31 (permalink) |
| Fearless Punter ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Join Date: 29 Aug 2002 Location: Essex Age: 33
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| Another half hour earlier for $32 profit. Maybe I have found a leak in my game - that is playing for too long at a time. If I look back at all 8 of my losing days they have all been in sessions of over an hour long. Of course there is always the possibility that I have played longer in the hope of regaining my losses (ie chasing losses) so in turn maybe that leads me into another weakness and I should follow croc's example that if I lose a buy-in I should stop. Or maybe combine the two so the 'rules' would be: Don't play for more than an hour (regardless of winning or losing). If lose a buy-in - STOP. Feb 14th +$32 Overall +$318 |
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| | #33 (permalink) |
| Fearless Punter ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Join Date: 29 Aug 2002 Location: Essex Age: 33
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| 56 minutes played yesterday for a $15 loss. I made 2 poor mistakes which put me over $50 down and I broke my own rule of not stopping there and then. ![]() However, it turned out to be for the best as a flopped flush got $47 in one hit. I then got level and was going to leave when I got dealt QQ in the SB v the BB. An ace on the flop put paid to that though and I finished $15 down. It was then it was approaching the hour so I thought I better not break the other rule I set and just accept the small loss. Feb 16th -$15 Overall +$326 |
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| Fearless Punter ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Join Date: 29 Aug 2002 Location: Essex Age: 33
Posts: 6,943
| First hand: ** Game ID 1880330390 starting - 2008-02-20 20:31:43 ** Debrecen [Hold 'em] (0.25|0.50 No Limit - Cash Game) Real Money - DELAVEINE sitting in seat 1 with $40.07 [Dealer] - thomasz sitting in seat 2 with $14.89 - Sleekshot sitting in seat 3 with $49.50 - asswiggle sitting in seat 4 with $62.75 - redbull247 sitting in seat 5 with $36.25 - pablo_eskoba sitting in seat 6 with $43.06 thomasz posted the small blind - $0.25 Sleekshot posted the big blind - $0.50 ** Dealing card to Sleekshot: Ace of Diamonds, 9 of Diamonds asswiggle called - $0.50 redbull247 called - $0.50 pablo_eskoba folded DELAVEINE folded thomasz folded Sleekshot checked ** Dealing the flop: 4 of Spades, King of Diamonds, 10 of Diamonds Sleekshot checked asswiggle bet - $0.50 redbull247 raised - $2.00 Sleekshot called - $2.00 asswiggle raised - $3.50 redbull247 went all-in - $33.75 Sleekshot went all-in - $47.50 asswiggle folded ** Dealing the turn: 4 of Clubs ** Dealing the river: 8 of Clubs redbull247 shows: Ace of Spades, Ace of Clubs Sleekshot mucks: Ace of Diamonds, 9 of Diamonds redbull247 wins $73.75 from the main pot End of game 1880330390 Doh! I think it was the correct play, probably just a shame 'asswiggle' re-raised else I prob could have got away cheaper. Never mind. Still 39 minutes later and I leave with all that back and a profit of $14 too. Feb 20th +$14 Overall +$341 |
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| | #35 (permalink) |
| Dedicated Punter ![]() ![]() Join Date: 06 Aug 2006 Age: 21
Posts: 214
| To be honest I wouldnt be makin this call here. In a limped pot there is a fair chance he has a set or something there, and even if he has KQ or a similar hand you are still about 45% and only just getting odds. Unless he is a total maniac I'm folding here, the only hand you beat that should push is QdJd. Also what do you make of pablo_eskoba on that table? I seem to see him on a lot of tables but have no proper notes on him yet. |
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| | #36 (permalink) |
| Fearless Punter ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Join Date: 29 Aug 2002 Location: Essex Age: 33
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| Thanks for your feedback mate. ![]() I've always considered a nut flush draw on the flop to be about 50% (I don't know the exact figures) and have been happy to get the money in. I remember when I played in the PokerDome Perry Friedman knocked someone out doing the same thing and he didn't hesitate getting the chips in. However, I take on board what you said and I will do some more research into whether or not it is a good play in the future. ![]() Regarding pablo_eskoba I think it's the first time I have had him at my table so can't really comment. From what I remember I thought he was fairly steady and didn't play many pots. One guy to look out for though was CaptainPedro who joined later. I liked him and got all my cash back through him! ![]() |
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| God Punter ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Join Date: 08 Aug 2004 Location: Birmingham Age: 31
Posts: 11,501
| That hand would have been an easy fold for me Hodgey. Maybe im too tight a player but would have only called an all in with straight and flush draw.
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| | #38 (permalink) |
| Fearless Punter ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Join Date: 29 Aug 2002 Location: Essex Age: 33
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| I did have an outside chance of a Royal Flush too! ![]() No, in all seriousness I appreciate your views and it looks like maybe I am in the minority and have been playing flush draws wrong. If so - then I am happy to learn from it. ![]() Anyone else got any views on it? |
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| God Punter ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Join Date: 05 May 2006
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| Iaint afraid of no ghosts ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Join Date: 02 Apr 2007 Location: Cardiff
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| Well drawing to your flush you know you're probably at least 2/1 underdog and you're not getting those odds so it's an easy fold. Had they both gone all in I'd call every time.
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