GaF's Nothing to Something thread (Current Bank €1007.85)

[slapdash]

Originally Posted by GotaFancy?

And I suppose you have FREE internet to play your online games with? And you're using library hardware or something?

I was wondering how long it would take you to think of that.

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[GaF]

Not a bad run I'm on at the moment

	19 September 2007	Balance c/f			$82.80
11	19 September 2007	$ Challenge	35	-$1.10	$81.70
12	19 September 2007	$3 Speed 5 Seat STT	1	$7.20	$88.90
13	19 September 2007	$3 Speed 5 Seat STT	1	$7.20	$96.10
14	19 September 2007	$3 Speed 5 Seat STT	2	$1.20	$97.30
15	19 September 2007	$3 Speed 5 Seat STT	1	$7.20	$104.50
16	19 September 2007	$5 Speed 5 Seat STT	2	$2.00	$106.50
17	19 September 2007	$5 Speed 5 Seat STT	2	$2.00	$108.50
18	19 September 2007	$5 Speed 5 Seat STT	4	-$5.50	$103.00
19	19 September 2007	$5 Speed 5 Seat STT	1	$12.00	$115.00
20	19 September 2007	$3 Speed 5 Seat STT	1	$7.20	$122.20
		Closing Balance		-$0.02	$122.18

[Dodger]

The problem with posting these kinds of records on here is this:
You are highlighting a specific set of games that are dishing up a decent profit to you.
If just 3 PLers were then attracted to target the exact same games then you would expect your profit margins to drop...assuming you believe that Plers in general are above the average player, which I think they are.

So this thread could end up being counter-productive in the end.

I assume there are plenty of these games to go at so I'd like to pose this additional question...If you were about to register for a game and realised that 2 PLers were already in...then would you avoid that game and go elsewhere? or would you relish the challenge even though your game odds may be reduced?

Hope your run continues...looking good at the moment.

[slapdash]

Originally Posted by Dodger

You are highlighting a specific set of games that are dishing up a decent profit to you.

Well, I believe GaF would tell us how he was getting on even if he started
losing. I'm sure he's not posting just because he's winning ... well, maybe
he'd post a little less often if he were losing.

If just 3 PLers were then attracted to target the exact same games then you would expect your profit margins to drop...assuming you believe that Plers in general are above the average player, which I think they are.

So this thread could end up being counter-productive in the end.

I doubt PLers will be attracted to target the same $3 STTs that GaF is using
for this project just to sabotage him. Well, apart from me ... thanks for
the idea!

[GaF]

I posted that I was going to track this account BEFORE I'd played any games, and before I knew how I would do - so not sure how it can be viewed as a form of "after eventing" (my words - not yours) - as slap says - I'd be posting the progress/results even if I were losing (remember, technically I cannot lose, because I started with zero - the advantage of starting a bankroll from nothing)

These games have high liquidity and start every few seconds ..... I dont view any major risk from PL'rs "clashing" - but if they were, I'm certain I'd view it as a challenge and not avoid them

[GaF]

Originally Posted by Dodger

Hope your run continues...looking good at the moment.

Probably worth adding at that point - I'm running at the moment with tremendous positive short term variance (Good Luck I believe some call it ) - these results are NOT representative of what I could achieve over the long run - I am convinced there are poor players there, that I am "beating the game" and that I will be profitable at this level - I have NO chance of averaging an ROI equivalent to my current results

[staffy]

I am on a terrible run at the moment. I say terrible I am stuck. I am winning the odd game but losing quite a few but staying roughly level which has to be a good thing I guess.

[Nade]

Originally Posted by GotaFancy?

Probably worth adding at that point - I'm running at the moment with tremendous positive short term variance (Good Luck I believe some call it ) - these results are NOT representative of what I could achieve over the long run - I am convinced there are poor players there, that I am "beating the game" and that I will be profitable at this level - I have NO chance of averaging an ROI equivalent to my current results

Well done on your profit so far

I'd like to know what you see as a 'normal' ROI in the long term?

[GaF]

Originally Posted by Nade(BPP)

I'd like to know what you see as a 'normal' ROI in the long term?

I dont really know Maybe 20% (at this level) but that's a total stab in the dark..... ("normal" for a decent profitable player)

[Nade]

Originally Posted by GotaFancy?

I dont really know Maybe 20% (at this level) but that's a total stab in the dark..... ("normal" for a decent profitable player)

Fair enough i guess that means there is no commonly defined ROI that a winning player should be attaining then.

[Dodger]

OMG...What have I said!!!

My post has been totally misinterpreted!

I had absolutely no intention to imply ''after-timing'' at all.

What I was intending to put across was that Gaf, or any player for that matter, had found a set of games that he was finding relatively easy to pull a profit on.

To post them on here carries dangers that other PLers will, not intentionally of course, reduce the profitability by targetting the same set of games.

I am always careful (not careful enough obviously) to ensure my posts will not offend anybody and there was no malice here, although I can see how my intentions were misunderstood.



Sorry GaF

[McG]

Originally Posted by Dodger

OMG...What have I said!!!

My post has been totally misinterpreted!

I had absolutely no intention to imply ''after-timing'' at all.

What I was intending to put across was that Gaf, or any player for that matter, had found a set of games that he was finding relatively easy to pull a profit on.

To post them on here carries dangers that other PLers will, not intentionally of course, reduce the profitability by targetting the same set of games.

I am always careful (not careful enough obviously) to ensure my posts will not offend anybody and there was no malice here, although I can see how my intentions were misunderstood.



Sorry GaF

In defence of Dodger, I also read his post as GaF being too helpful in highlighting profitable games, as opposed to it being a case of "after-timing".

GaF

Originally Posted by Dodger

OMG...What have I said!!!

My post has been totally misinterpreted!

I had absolutely no intention to imply ''after-timing'' at all.

What I was intending to put across was that Gaf, or any player for that matter, had found a set of games that he was finding relatively easy to pull a profit on.

To post them on here carries dangers that other PLers will, not intentionally of course, reduce the profitability by targetting the same set of games.

I am always careful (not careful enough obviously) to ensure my posts will not offend anybody and there was no malice here, although I can see how my intentions were misunderstood.



Sorry GaF

Dont think it was taken the wrong way mate , I certainly did'nt read it like that.

[Guppie]

Must admit dodger my first thoughts were to dive on the $3 stts but the thought of playing gaf put me off in the end so hit the fort knox instead on a different site.

[The Quiet Man]

I've been playing the same $3 & $5 Turbo STT's for the last month!

There's very easy money to be made!

There's also that many of them that you hardly come across the same player twice - I add some comments in the notes box of the Fish and then never meet them again!

Good luck with this GaF - I'd expect you to finish with many $1000's before you get embarrassed and close the thread!

TQM

[GaF]

Originally Posted by Dodger

OMG...What have I said!!!

My post has been totally misinterpreted!

I had absolutely no intention to imply ''after-timing'' at all.

What I was intending to put across was that Gaf, or any player for that matter, had found a set of games that he was finding relatively easy to pull a profit on.

To post them on here carries dangers that other PLers will, not intentionally of course, reduce the profitability by targetting the same set of games.

I am always careful (not careful enough obviously) to ensure my posts will not offend anybody and there was no malice here, although I can see how my intentions were misunderstood.



Sorry GaF

Sorry mate - just reread your thread, and it's perfectly clear - it's me who got it wrong - it's me who should be apologising - not you - Sorry!!

To add though - even with my misunderstanding, no offence was taken - sure I'll respond with my perspective on the points (I thought) you were making - but there's no issues with you expressing your opinions on it...

To answer your real point a bit further though - I dont intend staying around the $3/$5 games for long - so don't see an issue with publicising it - the liquidity is ample too for PL influence not to be significant...

[GaF]

Originally Posted by The Quiet Man

Good luck with this GaF - I'd expect you to finish with many $1000's before you get embarrassed and close the thread!

In 2006 (I think) from January 1st I started recording my profit/loss in my Sig (as did a lot of others) - by February ish it was getting a bit high and I removed it out of embarassment So you may well be right

[GaF]

Another good session

Stuck with the 5%, so progress will be a bit slower than maybe it could have been with an aggressive 10% of bankroll, but I'm now nearer to the $10 games than the $3 games

	19 September 2007	Balance c/f			$122.18
21	20 September 2007	$5 Speed 5 Seat STT	1	$12.00	$134.18
22	20 September 2007	$5 Speed 5 Seat STT	2	$2.00	$136.18
23	20 September 2007	$5 Speed 5 Seat STT	2	$2.00	$138.18
24	20 September 2007	$5 Speed 5 Seat STT	4	-$5.50	$132.68
25	20 September 2007	$5 Speed 5 Seat STT	2	$2.00	$134.68
26	20 September 2007	$5 Speed 5 Seat STT	1	$12.00	$146.68
27	20 September 2007	$5 Speed 5 Seat STT	2	$2.00	$148.68
28	20 September 2007	$5 Speed 5 Seat STT	1	$12.00	$160.68
29	20 September 2007	$5 Speed 5 Seat STT	3	-$5.50	$155.18
30	20 September 2007	$5 Speed 5 Seat STT	1	$12.00	$167.18
		Closing Balance		$0.01	$167.19

[WASP]

I could never go back to playing these levels and frankly I do not really get the point. Every hour I play poker I like to maximise the amount of money I make. I guess my situation is different as I do not have a lot of playing hours to go at during the week but surely GaF the money you have made so far could have easily been made in an hour by a player of your caliber.

Am I missing something best of luck anyway