GaF's Nothing to Something thread (Current Bank €1007.85) - Page 15 - The Punters Lounge

Valiant23 · 10-12-2007, 10:12

Congratulations Gaf? thats a nice sum of money you've earned.

Mind you, the number of footie shirts you need it won't go that far.

friskyfitz · 10-12-2007, 14:29

GaF ??

You are doing the right thing by ending your challenge now as that was the intended target and it has been achieved....

Im hoping at some stage to make a go of what you have done but I have not been able to get any big freeroll winnings yet so Im playing in big number - small payout ones to hone my game. I have 11 sites in credit but the most is $9.80 and many are less than $1 but I hope to get some over the $22 mark before the new year and work from there at $2+$0.20 games giving me 10 buy ins. I had previously been loading accounts with money and just wasnt getting satisfaction from playing so this is my new challenge and I get a strange kick from making $0.75c now where before I wouldnt bat an eyelid at winning $50.

Weird how this game can go at times...

Well done again on "meeting your target"

Now, buy yourself something nice with half of it and bank the rest..

Tweetypie05 · 10-12-2007, 16:30

Well done GaF?...

... great achievement!

Would like to try something like this myself but my lack of patience lets me down...

... I will have to read through your thread again and see if I can find the answer! If not I'll just cross my fingers and hope.

Can I ask how long this took in table-hours in total? Also, did you play STT because it is the best way of getting a reasonable return in a short time or just yout preferred game?

GaF · 10-12-2007, 17:48

Thanks Everyone

How many table hours? Not a clue I'm afraid....
Why STTs - I thought I was crushing them - in reality though, the profit came more from other avenues - MTT wins and League tables .... I'm not even sure I was particularly profitable on STTs

Might do some work on the spreadsheet and sumarise where the profit came from

GaF · 10-12-2007, 18:17

This summarises all the USD games....

MTT
HU Tourney	2	$11.00	$22.00	$347.00	1577%
$ Challenge	1	$1.10	$1.10	-$1.10	-100%
Freerolls	1	$0.00	$0.00	$60.00
TOTAL	3	$7.33	$22.00	$407.00	1850%


Speed STT
	Played	Entry	Total	Net Prize Money	ROI
Speed - 5 Seat	14	$3.30	$46.20	$52.80	114%
Speed - 5 Seat	55	$5.50	$302.50	$77.50	26%
Speed - 5 Seat	3	$11.00	$33.00	-$33.00	-100%
Speed - 5 Seat	15	$22.00	$330.00	$260.00	79%
Speed - 5 Seat	34	$33.00	$1,122.00	-$177.00	-16%
Total	121	$15.15	$1,833.70	$180.30	10%

STT
	Played	Entry	Total	Net Prize Money	ROI
5 Seat	1	$22.00	$22.00	-$22.00	-100%


MTT+STT	125	$44.49	$1,877.70	$565.30	30%

Hodgey · 10-12-2007, 18:17

Very well done mate. A nice sum of money won and a nice feeling of achieving the challenge.

If you're looking for a new challenge, come and join us in here inspired by the mole

Oh and one last thing:

Quote:

Originally Posted by GotaFancy?

My intention is to close this account down and forget about it now (I've had enough of VD - no more!!) -

I'm not surprised mate I've heard it can be quite painful!

Use your winnings to buy yourself some cream!

GaF · 10-12-2007, 18:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hodgey

If you're looking for a new challenge, come and join us in here inspired by the mole

I'm thinking along those lines - but will do my own thread rather than hijack yours (plural) - might structure it slightly differently, but fundamentally will be the same

GaF · 10-12-2007, 18:52

This is the EUR summary..... quite surprised at the range of games I dabbled in (not good). Not quit sure how this and the USD one add up to €1000 either

(but trust me, they do!!)

Summary

MTT
	Played	Entry	Total		ROI
Euroliga	28	€1.10	€30.80	€12.59	41%
Euroliga - League	0	€0.00	€0.00	€96.91
"Dollar" Challenge	6	€1.10	€6.60	€51.99	788%
"Dollar" Challenge League	0	€0.00	€0.00	€172.98
Freerolls	4	€0.00	€0.00	€89.62
MTT	3	€3.30	€9.90	-€9.90
MTT	1	€6.60	€6.60	-€6.60
TOTAL	42	€12.10	€30.80	€407.59	1323%


Speed STT
	Played	Entry	Total		ROI
Speed - 5 Seat	80	€11.00	€880.00	€275.00	31%
Speed - 5 Seat	135	€22.00	€2,970.00	€280.00	9%
Speed - 5 Seat	36	€33.00	€1,188.00	-€333.00	-28%
Speed - 10 Seat	2	€11.00	€22.00	-€2.00	-9%
Turbo - 10 Seat	1	€3.30	€3.30	€2.70	82%
Speed - 10 Seat	3	€22.00	€66.00	-€6.00	-9%
Total	257	€102.30	€5,129.30	€216.70	4%

STT
			Total		ROI
5 Seat	2	€11.00	€22.00	-€22.00	-100%
HU	9	€10.50	€94.50	-€55.00	-58%
10 Seat	6	€22.00	€132.00	-€32.00	-24%
HU - Limit	1	€21.00	€21.00	-€21.00	-100%
4 Pay	6	€22.00	€132.00	€8.00	6%
20 Seat	1	€3.30	€3.30	-€3.30	-100%
30 Seat	6	€3.30	€19.80	-€5.40	-27%
5 Seat	1	€5.50	€5.50	€12.00	218%
30 Seat	1	€5.50	€5.50	€18.50	336%
10 Seat	1	€5.50	€5.50	-€5.50	-100%
20 Seat	1	€5.50	€5.50	-€5.50	-100%
30 Seat	1	€5.50	€5.50	-€5.50	-100%
	36	€120.60	€4,341.60	-€116.70	-3%

Various Cash Tables				€11.66

All	335	€235.00	€9,501.70	€519.25	5%

GaF · 10-12-2007, 18:53

Also definitely worth noting - I've paid well over €10,000 in tournament entries - which will be pretty much €1,000 in fees - if I was on a 30% rakeback deal, that would have earnt me another €300 on top!!!

GaF · 10-12-2007, 19:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by GotaFancy?

Not quit sure how this and the USD one add up to €1000 either

(but trust me, they do!!)

Ah - the difference seems to be pretty much the raked released bonus I had at the beginning

robilaruk · 10-12-2007, 20:38

I know these are pointless sample sizes however, we can only work with what we have got!

GaF, you really suck at the $33 STT's

yet play well at the $11 & $22's

. I know from my own experiences that I really struggled to step up to the $33, $55 and $109's and could never make a consistent profit there at those levels (in fact I have never made a profit at the $55's), yet my BR allowed me the choice to play the higher levels and I took that choice even though it was not successful. I found that I then couldn't get motivated to play the $11 & $22's 'properly' despite me making a profit on those tables previously.

Can I ask whether you find the same? I know that in previous threads you have said you are 'inconsitent' at the $55's, am wondering if you play the $33's because you can (BR management) or because the grind of the $11 & $22's get you down?

Damo

GaF · 10-12-2007, 20:59

Don't mix the currencies - I was "inconsistent" at $50 - which I now consider the €30 - so these numbers kind of confirm that (I couldnt find the post - wasn't that sure where I said before - $50 or $100).

Why do I play at levels I cannot beat?
1) To improve my game
2) To test myself (I feel my game is constantly evolving and improving, one day I will beat them!!)

Do I struggle to motivate myself for lower value games? Not at all - the game is the same, the amount I paid to enter (or the amount I could win) doesn't affect the right choices (though I may consider the buy in when putting opponents on ranges of hands)

Looking at this (small) sample, then my profit maximising game seems to be €10 5 Seat Speed - so guess what I've been playing on Virgin to get into the 10 Week Tourney next week

(played 3, won 2, bubbled once

)

robilaruk · 10-12-2007, 21:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by GotaFancy?

Why do I play at levels I cannot beat?
1) To improve my game
2) To test myself (I feel my game is constantly evolving and improving, one day I will beat them!!)

)

I understand the need to improve however am wondering how many buy-in people should be prepared to lose to 'improve' versus the amount of cash they could have won by not losing, and winning at the lower levels?

In other words, how much of your BR are you prepared to risk to take a shot at the higher levels?

Damo

robilaruk · 10-12-2007, 22:01

it was the $55's you said you were inconsistant at - it stuck with me because i could never win at that level either

Damo

GaF · 10-12-2007, 22:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by robilaruk

In other words, how much of your BR are you prepared to risk to take a shot at the higher levels?

Er ....none I supose - if I believe I cannot at least almost break even at a level, then I'm not prepared to play it....however it may take me some games to realise I cannot beat it

If you regularly play for a percentage of your bankroll then you will eventually find yourself roughly where you break even - if we take my results here as being exactly representative of my ability - I'm profitable at €20, however more profitable at €10 - if I regularly played a percentage of my bankroll, I would be playing above my optimal level (between €20 and €30) - €20 gives me a chance to play above optimal, whilst still being profitable - I SHOULD play €10 and €20 games until €20 is more profitable than €10, then look to play €20 and €30 games....hopefully, by this stage, €30 would not be a loser.....

If I just wanted to play my most profitable poker (in the short term) then I should only be playing €10 games...

10-12-2007, 10:12	#281 (permalink)
Valiant23 Vienti Tres Join Date: 06 Aug 2005 Location: On the road Age: 41 Posts: 13,606	Re: GaF's Nothing to Something thread (Current Bank €1007.85) Congratulations Gaf? thats a nice sum of money you've earned. Mind you, the number of footie shirts you need it won't go that far. __________________ You can spend your time alone re digesting past regrets, Or you can come to terms and realize you're the only one who can forgive yourself. Makes much more sense to live in the present tense.

10-12-2007, 14:29	#282 (permalink)
friskyfitz Modest + Well Hung Punter Join Date: 22 Jul 2003 Location: Middle Earth Age: 36 Posts: 18,867 Awards Showcase Total Awards: 10	Re: GaF's Nothing to Something thread (Current Bank €1007.85) GaF ?? You are doing the right thing by ending your challenge now as that was the intended target and it has been achieved.... Im hoping at some stage to make a go of what you have done but I have not been able to get any big freeroll winnings yet so Im playing in big number - small payout ones to hone my game. I have 11 sites in credit but the most is $9.80 and many are less than $1 but I hope to get some over the $22 mark before the new year and work from there at $2+$0.20 games giving me 10 buy ins. I had previously been loading accounts with money and just wasnt getting satisfaction from playing so this is my new challenge and I get a strange kick from making $0.75c now where before I wouldnt bat an eyelid at winning $50. Weird how this game can go at times... Well done again on "meeting your target" Now, buy yourself something nice with half of it and bank the rest.. __________________ When I was born, I was given a choice! A Big Cock or a great memory..Ive forgotten what I chose!

10-12-2007, 16:30	#283 (permalink)
Tweetypie05 Sleepy Join Date: 10 Feb 2006 Location: Sussex Posts: 434 Awards Showcase Total Awards: 2	Re: GaF's Nothing to Something thread (Current Bank €1007.85) Well done GaF?...... great achievement! Would like to try something like this myself but my lack of patience lets me down... ... I will have to read through your thread again and see if I can find the answer! If not I'll just cross my fingers and hope. Can I ask how long this took in table-hours in total? Also, did you play STT because it is the best way of getting a reasonable return in a short time or just yout preferred game?

10-12-2007, 17:48	#284 (permalink)
GaF Man With a Plan Join Date: 18 Jun 2005 Posts: 40,908 Awards Showcase Total Awards: 5	Re: GaF's Nothing to Something thread (Current Bank €1007.85) Thanks Everyone How many table hours? Not a clue I'm afraid.... Why STTs - I thought I was crushing them - in reality though, the profit came more from other avenues - MTT wins and League tables .... I'm not even sure I was particularly profitable on STTs Might do some work on the spreadsheet and sumarise where the profit came from

10-12-2007, 18:53	#289 (permalink)
GaF Man With a Plan Join Date: 18 Jun 2005 Posts: 40,908 Awards Showcase Total Awards: 5	Re: GaF's Nothing to Something thread (Current Bank €1007.85) Also definitely worth noting - I've paid well over €10,000 in tournament entries - which will be pretty much €1,000 in fees - if I was on a 30% rakeback deal, that would have earnt me another €300 on top!!!

10-12-2007, 20:38	#291 (permalink)
robilaruk Recreational Poker Player Join Date: 28 Dec 2005 Location: Leicester UK Age: 40 Posts: 3,182	Re: GaF's Nothing to Something thread (Current Bank €1007.85) I know these are pointless sample sizes however, we can only work with what we have got! GaF, you really suck at the $33 STT's yet play well at the $11 & $22's. I know from my own experiences that I really struggled to step up to the $33, $55 and $109's and could never make a consistent profit there at those levels (in fact I have never made a profit at the $55's), yet my BR allowed me the choice to play the higher levels and I took that choice even though it was not successful. I found that I then couldn't get motivated to play the $11 & $22's 'properly' despite me making a profit on those tables previously. Can I ask whether you find the same? I know that in previous threads you have said you are 'inconsitent' at the $55's, am wondering if you play the $33's because you can (BR management) or because the grind of the $11 & $22's get you down? Damo

10-12-2007, 20:59	#292 (permalink)
GaF Man With a Plan Join Date: 18 Jun 2005 Posts: 40,908 Awards Showcase Total Awards: 5	Re: GaF's Nothing to Something thread (Current Bank €1007.85) Don't mix the currencies - I was "inconsistent" at $50 - which I now consider the €30 - so these numbers kind of confirm that (I couldnt find the post - wasn't that sure where I said before - $50 or $100). Why do I play at levels I cannot beat? 1) To improve my game 2) To test myself (I feel my game is constantly evolving and improving, one day I will beat them!!) Do I struggle to motivate myself for lower value games? Not at all - the game is the same, the amount I paid to enter (or the amount I could win) doesn't affect the right choices (though I may consider the buy in when putting opponents on ranges of hands) Looking at this (small) sample, then my profit maximising game seems to be €10 5 Seat Speed - so guess what I've been playing on Virgin to get into the 10 Week Tourney next week (played 3, won 2, bubbled once )

10-12-2007, 22:01	#294 (permalink)
robilaruk Recreational Poker Player Join Date: 28 Dec 2005 Location: Leicester UK Age: 40 Posts: 3,182	Re: GaF's Nothing to Something thread (Current Bank €1007.85) it was the $55's you said you were inconsistant at - it stuck with me because i could never win at that level either Damo Last edited by robilaruk; 10-12-2007 at 22:01.

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