Choice of Focus games - General Debate

[slick mick]

So what's the focus game - safety net please, it's my favourite at the moment.

[GotaFancy?]

Ooops - forgot Focus game .......

I don't like the Safety Net as a Focus game .... however a bit short of options ..... will have a think (as always - open to suggestions).

I'd REALLY like to make the Laddies game the focus game - this is the large value game of the evening ...... but it's not a core site

Second choice (in my selfish opinion) would be the Mansion $100 buy in $5000 added - but that didn't generate that much interest last time (it SHOULD have done - it's great value - I know it's a large buy in, but your expected winnings should be significantly larger than the buy in - if you are a winning player, as a lot of us are, these are the games we should be playing in....)

And then we have the Bet365 and Safety Net freerolls at the other end of the spectrum......... Something between (with good value) would be ideal

[slick mick]

Safety net

[slick mick]

Safety net
Safety net

Think Mick may want the safety net

[Pocket Lady]

Originally Posted by GotaFancy?(BPP)

Ooops - forgot Focus game .......

I don't like the Safety Net as a Focus game .... however a bit short of options ..... will have a think (as always - open to suggestions).

I'd REALLY like to make the Laddies game the focus game - this is the large value game of the evening ...... but it's not a core site

Second choice (in my selfish opinion) would be the Mansion $100 buy in $5000 added - but that didn't generate that much interest last time (it SHOULD have done - it's great value - I know it's a large buy in, but your expected winnings should be significantly larger than the buy in - if you are a winning player, as a lot of us are, these are the games we should be playing in....)

And then we have the Bet365 and Safety Net freerolls at the other end of the spectrum......... Something between (with good value) would be ideal

As far as I am concerned - expected winnings is all that this would be for me- I cannot justify paying the buy in as the standard of play is above my ability.

I like the safety net but happy to go with the majority- doesn't have to be core site as I have funds in Neteller.

[RandR]

For an interesting change of pace, and since Saturday seems to be difficult to find a good focus game, how about one of the satellites to one of the big tourneys on Stars? I'd suggest the $11 one to the Sunday warm-up.

I think it would be great to have several PLers in a big money tourney like that.

[GotaFancy?]

We've played satellites on Pokerstars before and it doesn't really work - main issue is that the tournament stops when the qualifiers are known - so we dont get a "winner" a 2nd place etc ......

[Dave488]

I would vote for the Laddies one, as it is only a $10 buy in, but $5000 added, great value imo and am sure PLers would get their fair share of it.

Know its not a core site, so that may rule it out, but as for added value its a no brainer for me.

[GotaFancy?]

Core sites were introduced to reduce the volume of sites people had to have cash in in order to play focus games - so not being a core site does rule it out.

Would appreciate feedback - has reducing the number of sites we play buy in games at made a difference and made people happier with game selection? I know from my point of view, it's made it significantly harder to find value games for focus games (and consequently reduced the value on focus games.)

Think I will move this debate to a new thread to carry on (cue gazabroad - seriously mate - the debate is open ;-) )

[staffy]

I agree that we do need core sites. But we should not shut ourselves off from good tournies elsewhere because of it.

The example being the laddies tourny on Saturday.

[slick mick]

I know there's not a lot of money on offer in the safety net but out of 7 games I've cashed 5 times for just over $70. PLers should be able to build up a nice little bankroll playing this regularly.

[GotaFancy?]

But Mick, you're talking $250 added v $5000 added - appreciate the standard is poorer in Safety Net, but net winnings for PL would I'm sure be greater in Laddies for PL'rs......

If you take the "true" added value - $250 divided by 250 entrants on safety net? $1 per player. $5000 divided by 500 players ???? at Laddies? $10 per player. There is ten times more value at laddies (ok I know it's not quite as simple as that, but it does seem clear to me that the value is significantly more at laddies.....)

[slick mick]

Now I'm confused haven't you already ruled Laddies out as not being a core site? I would have to make a deposit into Laddies so would have to find out what the minimum deposits and withdrawals are. I imagine we would get a much larger PL turnout for the safety net.

I agree with you about moving to bigger games but I'm a tight git and like to build up bankrolls from free. Now if there were a $10 added value at Spodds or any of the other sites where I've built a roll for free I'd be straight in there.

Another alternative could be another private prima game.

[slick mick]

Or how about the PNL tournament. Then we get to watch each other on TV and take some notes

[GotaFancy?]

The laddies tournament is unlikely at this stage - the "debate" is more for future policy...... having said that, I DO listen to feedback If there were a lot more posts like Staffy's in the next few hours, and relatively few opponents, then I could still be persuaded ;-) (and similar for Safety Net) I genuinely have made no decision yet.....

No doubts - Safety net would get more entrants, but I have no doubt either, laddies would provide significantly more profit ;-)


We don't have a Prima core site any more, so the PNL tournament is ruled out for the moment (at least it's in the same category as the laddies game) - technically ought to rule out a Prima private tourney too, don't know why though but it doesn't - have played private prima tournies before and will do again I'm sure. Not overkeen on them though - we have private games elsewhere with added value - why play private games for no extra?

[RandR]

I suspect this debate may have been done to death before I joined the forum, in which case apologies:

I don't see it as necessary to keep money at all the sites I play at, just a couple of hundred $$$ in Neteller which can be deposited instantly whenever there is additional value in a tourney. I would imagine post PLers do the same (but am happy to be corrected).

Therefore I don't see much of a problem with using a non-core site if that is clearly the day's outstanding added-value tourney.

What I agree that we absolutely must do is to restrict ourselves to 'quality' sites, and avoid the likes of Goalpoker or PokerRoom.

[staffy]

Originally Posted by RandR

I suspect this debate may have been done to death before I joined the forum, in which case apologies:

I don't see it as necessary to keep money at all the sites I play at, just a couple of hundred $$$ in Neteller which can be deposited instantly whenever there is additional value in a tourney. I would imagine post PLers do the same (but am happy to be corrected).

Therefore I don't see much of a problem with using a non-core site if that is clearly the day's outstanding added-value tourney.

What I agree that we absolutely must do is to restrict ourselves to 'quality' sites, and avoid the likes of Goalpoker or PokerRoom.

[Hodgey]

Originally Posted by staffy

I agree that we do need core sites. But we should not shut ourselves off from good tournies elsewhere because of it.

The example being the laddies tourny on Saturday.

I agree with this totally.

How about introduing a new "rule" that in any given month you can select 3 non core site value added focus games? This way the majority of focus games will be at core sites so the majority of time players wouldn't have to deposit all over the place but you wouldn't miss out on any extraordinary value tourneys.

However, my vote for this Saturday would be the Safety Net cos I've just downloaded the new SpOdds Paradise software and want some practice!

[FatBoyFat]

FWIW any site is good for me, core or not.

FBF