Video Analysis: GaF at PokerTrillion - 25c/50c NLHE - 5 Handed

[GotaFancy?]

As I mentioned elsewhere - I've finally delved into Cash with everyone else - I recorded session 4 with audio commentary of what I was thinking.
Interested in feedback:
What's important and missing from my thought process?
What could I have done better?
What do you think my leaks are?
Any hands of specific interest?

Quality of the vid isn't great - they've reduced the quality - will upload to a file sharing site and put a link here if anyone wants to download a higher quality version...


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[GotaFancy?]

Oops - looks like you can only get the first 5 mins without downloading more software - if you want the whole thing, probably best to wait for the rapidshare link....

[GotaFancy?]

Here's a download link http://rapidshare.de/files/38674605/20080224PokerTrillionCashPL.AVI.html

[Nade]

Firstly i have to say how really annoying the sound affects are

Onto the action ...

First hand that intrigued me was when you had K3s on the button and thought about calling the big re-raise. The only reason i can think of calling there would be for implied odds as it was against the big stack but you say "If it was against any of the others id have peeled off the flop"
The others have about the same stack size as you so i can't see the logic in calling that amount to see the flop on a tight table with that hand. Having very little experience of short handed games i'm not sure if that would be standard play or not but from what i know of the 25/50 full ring games you just have to stay out of making tough decisions by staying tight and if you call here and flop comes rainbow K high you could be taken right down to value town by KQ or whatever. Simply for me K3s easy fold to re-raise unless you're insisting on the implied odds.

Next one is A9o -Not sure on this as it's easy fold in full ring but short handed i expect people will say be aggressive, which is what you were implying too on the tape.

94o - Hit full house - Would have played it all the same as you, not a lot more you can do to extract money out there.

Something that i picked up on when you had 99 on the button was your raise to $2 (4BB) Pretty much every other raise you'd done from late position was 3BB now you're going to 4BB which i think gives an indicator to the rest of the table that a) 4BB = strong and b)your 3BB can be given less respect. I'm guilty of this but ideally i think you should keep the bets the same for 'bluffs/steals' and when you do actually have a hand as it shows no patterns so keeps the table guessing.

The AJo with flop 55J and won the pot i would have folded pre flop to the $6 re-raise as i put him on a hand, but you might have been right in the end that they had nothing. Like the min raise on the flop- gets information with chance of winning the hand.

With the KK you say your standard raise is 3 1/2 times the BB but i'm pretty sure it's mainly been 3x and sometimes 4x. Same thoughts as above paragraph on pre flop bets.

The J9o hand called by 2nd pair was a bit messy TBH no need to try and take that pot it was too small, then the check on the turn reeks weakness especially with half pot bet on river rightly called by 2nd pair. This is a very common play to make in a losing session - many times i've looked back on a loosing session's HH and seen me get involved in stupid little pots like these leaking money everywhere in pots worth their salt but have ended up losing maybe only a couple of $ but it can add up. Definitely a leak in your game there IMO (and mine) but was just once (thus far ).

K10o pre flop call in BB - Don't like this play - You knew he was a tight player so playing a marginal hand in this situation i feel is a long term money leaker.

The 810o hand where the BB let his clock run down before calling - this could be an indicator he is starting to disrespect this 3xBB raise which is what i thought could happen earlier - But it seems the guy hasn't got the bottle to carry his actions through. Be wary.

That's my two cents anyway

Nice profit as well "Yum yum"

[GotaFancy?]

Fantastic Will watch the video back with your comments later

[GotaFancy?]

Originally Posted by Nade

First hand that intrigued me was when you had K3s on the button and thought about calling the big re-raise. The only reason i can think of calling there would be for implied odds as it was against the big stack but you say "If it was against any of the others id have peeled off the flop"
The others have about the same stack size as you so i can't see the logic in calling that amount to see the flop on a tight table with that hand. Having very little experience of short handed games i'm not sure if that would be standard play or not but from what i know of the 25/50 full ring games you just have to stay out of making tough decisions by staying tight and if you call here and flop comes rainbow K high you could be taken right down to value town by KQ or whatever. Simply for me K3s easy fold to re-raise unless you're insisting on the implied odds.

This is 7 minutes in to the video

I'm getting 2-1 and I have position - if I think if it's against someone who will defend their blind, is capable of doing it with any two, then I can see a flop? I agree I cant see a flop as liberally as I suggest, at the spur of the moment , in the video.

I'm raising from the button. I'm weak. The guy on the button knows I can be weak ..... he can make that move with quite a wide range Having said that, I think you're right and I should fold the huge majority of the time....

[GotaFancy?]

Originally Posted by Nade

Next one is A9o -Not sure on this as it's easy fold in full ring but short handed i expect people will say be aggressive, which is what you were implying too on the tape.

This is about 8 minutes into the video

I'll be interested in others views on this too - 5 handed, UTG, dealt A9o - what do you do? I folded on the tape (but expressed my desire to get involved)

[GotaFancy?]

Originally Posted by Nade

Something that i picked up on when you had 99 on the button was your raise to $2 (4BB) Pretty much every other raise you'd done from late position was 3BB now you're going to 4BB which i think gives an indicator to the rest of the table that a) 4BB = strong and b)your 3BB can be given less respect. I'm guilty of this but ideally i think you should keep the bets the same for 'bluffs/steals' and when you do actually have a hand as it shows no patterns so keeps the table guessing.

Well spotted Agree that my bets should pretty much always be the same size (or varied by position/stack, but not my cards) - am trying to get into the habit of using the pot button on Boss pre flop - which gives me a 3.5xBB or 3.5xBB + 1xBB for every limper, which I think is reasonable enough

[GotaFancy?]

Originally Posted by Nade

The AJo with flop 55J and won the pot i would have folded pre flop to the $6 re-raise as i put him on a hand, but you might have been right in the end that they had nothing. Like the min raise on the flop- gets information with chance of winning the hand.

This is on about 21 minutes

We're 3 handed (I'm on the button and everyone folded to me)
I have great cards (3 handed) - AJo
Aggressive pre flop player reraises me from the SB

I think I stand by playing it against that opponent especially....

I think the min reraise commits me to the hand for my entire stack - I think I'm happy to play for my stack there.....

[GotaFancy?]

Originally Posted by Nade

The J9o hand called by 2nd pair was a bit messy TBH no need to try and take that pot it was too small, then the check on the turn reeks weakness especially with half pot bet on river rightly called by 2nd pair. This is a very common play to make in a losing session - many times i've looked back on a loosing session's HH and seen me get involved in stupid little pots like these leaking money everywhere in pots worth their salt but have ended up losing maybe only a couple of $ but it can add up. Definitely a leak in your game there IMO (and mine) but was just once (thus far ).

THis was on 22 minutes

I really like the way I played that hand
Think that's one I need to go back and look at in real depth.....

Here's the hand history for anyone who cannot be bothered to watch the video....

BossMedia Game #968705265: Table Table TH 393 - $0.25/$0.50 - No Limit Hold'em - 12:58:41 - 2008/02/24
Seat 1: PL Telepee ($68.76)
Seat 2: steerpikee ($37.00)
Seat 3: ROHH666 ($48.20)
Seat 4: link_gaetz ($50.00)
Seat 5: !Fredizy! ($48.25)
ROHH666 posts the small blind of $0.25
link_gaetz posts the big blind of $0.50
steerpikee is the button
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to PL Telepee [Jd 9h]
!Fredizy! folds
PL Telepee raises $1.50
steerpikee folds
ROHH666 calls $1.50
link_gaetz folds
*** FLOP *** [Ts 2c Jc]
ROHH666 checks
PL Telepee bets $2.62
ROHH666 calls $2.62
*** TURN *** [Ts 2c Jc] [Kd]
ROHH666 checks
PL Telepee bets $4.37
ROHH666 folds
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $8.34 | Rake $0.40
Board: [Ts 2c Jc Kd]
PL Telepee won ($8.34), mucks
steerpikee won ($0.00), mucks
ROHH666 won ($0.00), mucks
link_gaetz won ($0.00), mucks
!Fredizy! won ($0.00), mucks

[GotaFancy?]

Originally Posted by Nade

The J9o hand called by 2nd pair was a bit messy TBH no need to try and take that pot it was too small, then the check on the turn reeks weakness especially with half pot bet on river rightly called by 2nd pair. This is a very common play to make in a losing session - many times i've looked back on a loosing session's HH and seen me get involved in stupid little pots like these leaking money everywhere in pots worth their salt but have ended up losing maybe only a couple of $ but it can add up. Definitely a leak in your game there IMO (and mine) but was just once (thus far ).

AH - think you're talking about the hand on 28 minutes - not the one from earlier - agree - that was horrible

[GotaFancy?]

Originally Posted by Nade

K10o pre flop call in BB - Don't like this play - You knew he was a tight player so playing a marginal hand in this situation i feel is a long term money leaker.

This was on 33 minutes

Not sure I agree - yes he's a tight player - but he's in the small blind and everyone has folded to him - even a tight player has a fairly big range there It's hard to respect a open raise from the SB I view a "blackjack hand" as plenty strong enough to call - I have position post flop....

What I dont like, is my failure to bet my draw on the flop - I think I left my bet one street too late ......

[GotaFancy?]

Originally Posted by Nade

The 810o hand where the BB let his clock run down before calling - this could be an indicator he is starting to disrespect this 3xBB raise which is what i thought could happen earlier - But it seems the guy hasn't got the bottle to carry his actions through. Be wary.

I think you're right


Cheers for the feednack Nade - appreciate it

[the mole]

Do i have to save it so i can upload it with rapidshare ( sorry if i seem a bit thick) but i havnt used anything like this.

[GotaFancy?]

After you click on the rapidshare link, then click on the "free" button.

It will then put you in a download queue - mine just now was 90 seconds - it will count down on screen.

When you are at the front of the queue, you will need to type in the "image verification", then click the "download" button.

You should then have the dialogue box to Open or Save - probably best to save it to your hard drive.

[the mole]

I managed to download it, saved it to my desktop but my media player won't play it, it says one or more codecs missing. Any ideas?

[AJ]

dwnload vlc media playe, it plays eveything

am downloding it now, wll watch it at work in the morning

[GotaFancy?]

Originally Posted by AJ

dwnload vlc media playe, it plays eveything

http://www.videolan.org/vlc/

It's worth having on your machine - plays far more than Windows Media Player or Real Player

[Glen1000]

Originally Posted by GotaFancy?

This is about 8 minutes into the video

I'll be interested in others views on this too - 5 handed, UTG, dealt A9o - what do you do? I folded on the tape (but expressed my desire to get involved)

I've been playing quite a bit of 0.25 / 0.50 6 max. UTG and UTG+1 should still, I feel, be played tight therefore A9o is for me a definate fold as it A10 and probably AJ as well. Go wild in the CO + Button though!

I haven't watched the video yet but will do in the next few days.