Positional play and poker tracker

[glceud]

Just finished 20,000 hands on 0.50/1.00 nl full ring tables and some of my sats are either worrying or need explaining.

I am losing 0.42bb in the big blind and 0.11 bb in the small blind. I think the latter may just about be a pass mark but the Big blind figure, by my reckoning would be better if I folded blind every time and never saw a flop. I have lost $2281 in the bb in 2732 hands.

Second worry is that in all other positions bar the cut off I am showing a profit surely the cutoff should be my second most profitable position?

Poker tracker has me down a playing less hands in the CO than the button or one before the CO. I take it this must have something to do with players leaving the table when due to post blinds?

[slapdash]

Originally Posted by glceud

I am losing 0.42bb in the big blind and 0.11 bb in the small blind. I think the latter may just about be a pass mark but the Big blind figure, by my reckoning would be better if I folded blind every time and never saw a flop. I have lost $2281 in the bb in 2732 hands.

Does 0.42bb mean 0.42 big bets (as in limit poker: i.e., 0.84 big blinds), then?

[glceud]

looks like it must mean 0.84 big blinds. think 2281 devided by 2732 is close enough to 0.84. Hadnt really thought about it just saw $2281 and fell of my seat.

[GotaFancy?]

You have an option in the preferences tab to switch between Big Bets and Big Blinds

There are 2 big blind figures - one including posted blinds and one excluding.... which one are you quoting? If it's including, then anything better than -1 is better than folding every time (and better than -0.5 in the SB)

In my (relatively small) Boss sample - the cut off is my only losing position too I'll grab a screenshot and put it up

[GotaFancy?]

[slapdash]

Originally Posted by GotaFancy?

There are 2 big blind figures - one including posted blinds and one excluding.... which one are you quoting? If it's including, then anything better than -1 is better than folding every time

Though if you fold every time you can, you'll still get a walk occasionally. It
would only need to happen about one time in nine to bring your loss down to
0.84 big blinds.

I don't understand why glceud's figures show him playing fewer hands in the
CO. I don't see why players leaving when they're due to post the blinds would
cause this: if you're due to be CO and the player due to be BB leaves, then
you're still CO, aren't you?

[slapdash]

Can you get information about standard deviations of the various figures
from Poker Tracker, by the way?

[GotaFancy?]

No - afraid not

[glceud]

Originally Posted by slapdash

I don't understand why glceud's figures show him playing fewer hands in the
CO. I don't see why players leaving when they're due to post the blinds would
cause this: if you're due to be CO and the player due to be BB leaves, then
you're still CO, aren't you?

Just thought it must be to do with the fact that I either wait for the bb to come round when opening a table, unless I have the opportunity to blind in the cutoff(the button is never offered) PT must record this as a BB not taking the position into account.

Considering you do get the odd free flop in the BB and you do flop the nuts sometimes my figures must make me the worst BB player in the universe.

GaF you've posted one more Sb than Bb, thought you could only get away woth that in drunken home games.

[GotaFancy?]

Originally Posted by glceud

GaF you've posted one more Sb than Bb, thought you could only get away woth that in drunken home games.

Most bizarre

[glceud]

OK rip me to threads time
Had a look at my positional stats and the cards dealt and far and away the biggest loser is AA

What am I doing wrong?

FullTiltPoker Game #5106959429: Table Low Bridge - $0.50/$1 - No Limit Hold'em - 13:45:51 ET - 2008/02/03
Seat 1: Sojus ($19)
Seat 2: mag80 ($46.35)
Seat 3: d-bug1122 ($56.95)
Seat 4: glceud ($101.85)
Seat 5: Jake Thrust ($93.45)
Seat 6: pallavicini ($60)
Seat 7: huw22 ($115.95)
Seat 8: xincubusx123 ($137.10)
Seat 9: THE RIFLEMAN ($134)
d-bug1122 posts the small blind of $0.50
glceud posts the big blind of $1
The button is in seat #2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to glceud [Ad Ah]
Jake Thrust folds
huw22 calls $1
xincubusx123 has 15 seconds left to act
xincubusx123 folds
THE RIFLEMAN folds
Sojus folds
mag80 folds
d-bug1122 calls $0.50
glceud raises to $4
huw22 calls $3
d-bug1122 folds
*** FLOP *** [8s 8d 3h]
glceud bets $9
huw22 raises to $20
glceud calls $11
*** TURN *** [8s 8d 3h] [4c]
glceud checks
huw22 has 15 seconds left to act
huw22 bets $24
glceud calls $24
*** RIVER *** [8s 8d 3h 4c] [2h]
glceud checks
huw22 bets $46
glceud calls $46
*** SHOW DOWN ***
huw22 shows [6h 8h] three of a kind, Eights
glceud mucks
huw22 wins the pot ($186) with three of a kind, Eights
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $189 | Rake $3
Board: [8s 8d 3h 4c 2h]
Seat 1: Sojus didn't bet (folded)
Seat 2: mag80 (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 3: d-bug1122 (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 4: glceud (big blind) mucked [Ad Ah] - two pair, Aces and Eights
Seat 5: Jake Thrust didn't bet (folded)
Seat 6: pallavicini is sitting out
Seat 7: huw22 showed [6h 8h] and won ($186) with three of a kind, Eights
Seat 8: xincubusx123 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 9: THE RIFLEMAN didn't bet (folded)

[glceud]

FullTiltPoker Game #5253599469: Table Silver Penny - $0.50/$1 - No Limit Hold'em - 15:06:58 ET - 2008/02/14
Seat 1: lipstickk ($151.50)
Seat 2: joeblak ($81.55)
Seat 3: drevil23432 ($44.50)
Seat 4: giveusakiss ($94.40)
Seat 5: Theman200050 ($225.10)
Seat 6: glceud ($58.50)
Seat 7: Junior71 ($36.50)
Seat 8: turkish99 ($31)
Seat 9: crazytimy ($100.50)
Theman200050 posts the small blind of $0.50
glceud posts the big blind of $1
The button is in seat #4
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to glceud [As Ah]
Junior71 calls $1
turkish99 calls $1
crazytimy calls $1
lipstickk folds
joeblak calls $1
drevil23432 folds
giveusakiss calls $1
Theman200050 has 15 seconds left to act
Theman200050 calls $0.50
glceud has 15 seconds left to act
glceud raises to $7
Junior71 calls $6
turkish99 calls $6
crazytimy calls $6
joeblak: nice squeeze
joeblak calls $6
glceud: oh dear
giveusakiss folds
Theman200050 folds
*** FLOP *** [2d 7d 3h]
glceud has 15 seconds left to act
glceud bets $51.50, and is all in
joeblak: allin
Junior71 calls $29.50, and is all in
turkish99 folds
crazytimy raises to $93.50, and is all in
joeblak folds
crazytimy shows [4d 3d]
glceud shows [As Ah]
Junior71 shows [6h 6d]
Uncalled bet of $42 returned to crazytimy
*** TURN *** [2d 7d 3h] [3c]
*** RIVER *** [2d 7d 3h 3c] [9c]
crazytimy shows three of a kind, Threes
glceud shows two pair, Aces and Threes
crazytimy wins the side pot ($44) with three of a kind, Threes
Junior71 shows two pair, Sixes and Threes
crazytimy wins the main pot ($122.50) with three of a kind, Threes
glceud is sitting out
Junior71 is sitting out
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $169.50 Main pot $125.50. Side pot $44. | Rake $3
Board: [2d 7d 3h 3c 9c]
Seat 1: lipstickk didn't bet (folded)
Seat 2: joeblak folded on the Flop
Seat 3: drevil23432 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 4: giveusakiss (button) folded before the Flop
Seat 5: Theman200050 (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 6: glceud (big blind) showed [As Ah] and lost with two pair, Aces and Threes
Seat 7: Junior71 showed [6h 6d] and lost with two pair, Sixes and Threes
Seat 8: turkish99 folded on the Flop
Seat 9: crazytimy showed [4d 3d] and won ($166.50) with three of a kind, Threes

[glceud]

FullTiltPoker Game #5213818318: Table Silver Penny - $0.50/$1 - No Limit Hold'em - 14:17:47 ET - 2008/02/11
Warriors08: you should have bet the turn
Seat 1: topper6 ($147.05)
Seat 2: JORDAN914 ($102.65)
Seat 3: Glimmergirl6 ($18.25)
Seat 4: KhamsyN ($80.05)
Seat 5: john1226 ($98.50)
Seat 6: glceud ($53.55)
Seat 7: Warriors08 ($163.85)
Seat 8: hammarskjold ($18.50)
Seat 9: UnSmart ($143.65)
KhamsyN posts the small blind of $0.50
john1226 is sitting out
glceud posts the big blind of $1
The button is in seat #3
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to glceud [As Ac]
john1226 stands up
Warriors08 calls $1
Litha adds $100
hammarskjold folds
UnSmart folds
topper6 folds
JORDAN914 folds
Glimmergirl6 folds
KhamsyN folds
glceud raises to $5
Warriors08 has 15 seconds left to act
Warriors08: the way j are hitting i should call
Warriors08 calls $4
*** FLOP *** [Kc 9c Th]
glceud bets $10.50
Warriors08 has 15 seconds left to act
Warriors08 calls $10.50
*** TURN *** [Kc 9c Th] [Qc]
glceud has 15 seconds left to act
glceud checks
Warriors08 has 15 seconds left to act
Warriors08 bets $10
glceud calls $10
*** RIVER *** [Kc 9c Th Qc] [Ad]
glceud checks
Warriors08 bets $28
glceud has 15 seconds left to act
glceud: oh dear
glceud calls $28
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Warriors08 shows [Js 5d] a straight, Ace high
glceud mucks
Warriors08 wins the pot ($104.50) with a straight, Ace high
glceud is sitting out
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $107.50 | Rake $3
Board: [Kc 9c Th Qc Ad]
Seat 1: topper6 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 2: JORDAN914 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 3: Glimmergirl6 (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 4: KhamsyN (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 5: john1226 is sitting out
Seat 6: glceud (big blind) mucked [As Ac] - three of a kind, Aces
Seat 7: Warriors08 showed [Js 5d] and won ($104.50) with a straight, Ace high
Seat 8: hammarskjold didn't bet (folded)
Seat 9: UnSmart didn't bet (folded)

[glceud]

FullTiltPoker Game #5353194026: Table Durham - $0.50/$1 - No Limit Hold'em - 7:54:52 ET - 2008/02/22
Seat 1: hamhank ($40)
Seat 2: drp07 ($33.70), is sitting out
Seat 3: DocW ($56.80)
Seat 4: Rodrigo-A1 ($109.20)
Seat 5: glceud ($39)
Seat 6: Tomm Bombadil ($49.10)
Seat 7: Hellebek ($41.05)
Seat 8: ssubear03 ($27)
Seat 9: kkw54 ($39.10)
Rodrigo-A1 posts the small blind of $0.50
glceud has 5 seconds left to act
glceud posts the big blind of $1
5 seconds left to act
hamhank posts $1
The button is in seat #3
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to glceud [Ah Ad]
Tomm Bombadil folds
Hellebek folds
ssubear03 calls $1
kkw54 raises to $5.50
hamhank has 15 seconds left to act
hamhank folds
DocW has 15 seconds left to act
DocW folds
Rodrigo-A1 folds
glceud raises to $10
ssubear03 folds
kkw54 calls $4.50
*** FLOP *** [Kh Qc 9h]
glceud bets $22.50
kkw54 raises to $29.10, and is all in
glceud calls $6.50, and is all in
kkw54 shows [Qs Ks]
glceud shows [Ah Ad]
Uncalled bet of $0.10 returned to kkw54
*** TURN *** [Kh Qc 9h] [5h]
*** RIVER *** [Kh Qc 9h 5h] [Kd]
kkw54 shows a full house, Kings full of Queens
glceud shows two pair, Aces and Kings
kkw54 wins the pot ($77.50) with a full house, Kings full of Queens
glceud is sitting out
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $80.50 | Rake $3
Board: [Kh Qc 9h 5h Kd]
Seat 1: hamhank folded before the Flop
Seat 2: drp07 is sitting out
Seat 3: DocW (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 4: Rodrigo-A1 (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 5: glceud (big blind) showed [Ah Ad] and lost with two pair, Aces and Kings
Seat 6: Tomm Bombadil didn't bet (folded)
Seat 7: Hellebek didn't bet (folded)
Seat 8: ssubear03 folded before the Flop
Seat 9: kkw54 showed [Qs Ks] and won ($77.50) with a full house, Kings full of Queens

[GotaFancy?]

Just unlucky mate - you're being aggressive - nothing you can do

How many times have you won with AA?

[glceud]

In the bb 12 times out of 21, just over 57%. Aces aint what they used to be.

[GotaFancy?]

Originally Posted by glceud

In the bb 12 times out of 21, just over 57%. Aces aint what they used to be.

Well assuming you've played them as aggressively as the hands you've shown, you know that run just cannot continue........