Poker Novice Questions

[raylin]

I am interested in learning texas hold em
Since this game is a game of skill and probability it would be a good idea to list the odds of the chance of getting a winning hand from the cards dealt
ie if i was dealt a pair what would the odds of this being turned into two pairs or full house four of a kind
My dillemma at the moment is holding two cards of the same suit and wondering if this is worth the risk of trying for a flush or two consecutive cards and trying for the straight
Im sure the proffessional always take this into account when betting.

[Jaded]

If you want a quick way of calculating the percentage chance of getting a card, they're roughly 2 x the number of those cards left x number of cards left to come... i.e post flop, holding 4 to a flush, there are 9 cards of that suit left to come and 2 cards left to be dealt, so the % chance is rougly 2 x 9 x 2 = 36%

44 pre-flop, the chance of hitting a set is 2 x 2 x 5 (as there are 2 4's left and 5 cards to be dealt, so 20% chance of hitting the set.)

44 (or any other card) turning into quads is more complicated, but basically you're looking at 2 x 2 x 5 to turn into a set, so 20% of that happening... THEN 2 x 1 x 4 to hit the remaining 4 making 8% chance of that happening, so final prob is 20% x 8% = 1.6% - not something to rely on!!


Am sure someone will correct me if I've screwed any of those examples up...

[PokerBarney]

I think 36% to hit a flush is slightly too high. I always did the math slightly differently..

On the flop, it's 4x -2 (4x9 - 2 = 34%)
On the turn, it's 2x +2

Can't remember where I heard it, but it's served me well. Still, I suppose a couple of % here and there doesn't matter... just don't ask Masterplan to work out odds for you. No wonder he calls so much,

[Gizdalord]

pokerstars(sorry i want to dload from punter but could find a link so i made one :P )

[moFace]

ermm.. whats a crapshoot?

[slapdash]

Originally Posted by moFace

ermm.. whats a crapshoot?

Is that a riddle?

[moFace]

eh

[slapdash]

Like ... What's a Grecian Urn?

[Valiant23]

Originally Posted by moFace

ermm.. whats a crapshoot?

Crapshoot is a slang term used when a tournament has gone on longer than anticipated by the poker sites software. Generally it will be experienced by the last 2 or 3 players.

The blinds are too big in proportion to the remaining players stacks, and so it becomes a game more of luck than skill.

Thats when a player may remark "This isn't poker, this is a crapshoot"




And no armadillo's were harmed during the making of this post.

[moFace]

erm ok, so whats a crapshoot mtt about?

is it like turbo

[Valiant23]

I'm guessing here but I'd say its like the boss media extreme turbo's where the blinds go up every minute, and you basically pick a hand to go all in with.

It isn't poker, but it IS a good laugh.

[Pokerose]

I know that laddies do a crapshoot- i wouldn't go as far as to say it was extreme turbo...but it ain't poker either,

[wizard]

Quick Question -

Im in an MTT, but didnt realise it was a Re-buy. Call me tight, but I aint rebuying.

After the break does the re-buying stop?

[Pokerose]

lol

Yeah, rebuys generally stop after the first hour break

[GotaFancy?]

There will probably be an Add On option too at the end of the rebuy period......

[jgadefelth]

how shall i play differently against 6 people instead of 10 there most be some different startinghands etc ? any strategy or somthing ?

Best Regards John

[guesswest]

your starting hands should go down, playing hands like KT, Ax etc that you'd drop on a full table - you can also afford to play position more. basically i'd recommend not playing 6 seater tho, you have to make a lot more marginal decisions and they're all judgement based, and your judgement improves the more you play, i'd get some experience in on a full table first

[philossify]

Hi John,
IMHO strategy is far too complicated (and variable) to quickly give any hard and fast rules and besides the strategy that suits one persons game may often not map to another persons. Theres various books by people like Harrington that might be worth reading (I leave others to point to these).

What do you mean by "starting hand" - one you should try and limp in with or one worth a raise?

If you play a fixed list of starting hands (which should also be affected by your position relative to the dealer, size of the blinds, size of your stack etc. etc. ). Generally the fewer people in the game the lower down the complete list of starting hands you go - but its nowhere near as simplistic as that. Its up to you to decide how tight you want to play in any set of circumstances and IMHO its very hard to give a fixed formula or list. Every game is different - thats why poker is such a fascinating game. .

[chelskired]

Originally Posted by guesswest

................playing hands like KT, Ax etc that you'd drop on a full table.............

Ummmm?? Hmmmm?? Ooooops..(Makes note to stop playing like a muppet)

[guesswest]

Originally Posted by chelskired

Ummmm?? Hmmmm?? Ooooops..(Makes note to stop playing like a muppet)