Please analyze this?

[happyhornet]

I was playing in a tourney last night, doing okay when this hand occured:

I have 4350 chips, about 50th of 80 remaining, blinds are 300/600.

On the button I am dealt Ace of spades, Q of hearts.

There are two callers before me (from middle positions) who both have me covered.

I flat call, and both the blinds play. 3000 in the pot, and the flop comes Q spades, 10spades, 7diamonds.

Everyone checks to me, I go all in for 3750.

1 caller from middle position using 60% of his chips. he turns over K5spades on the flush draw, which he naturally makes on the river!

a) Should I have gone all in pre-flop?
b) Was I a bit rash shoving all in when I did?

I'm not sure how i should have played this. Any suggestions would be invaluable.

[Jaded]

M of just under 5, I'd say you junk or shove, depending how tight you think the players before you are. Unless they were REALLY tight I'd personally have gone all-in, and prayed there wasn't a premium pair or AK out there...

That said, the flop all-in looks fine to me. Gotta try and chase away the guys chasing the flush, and it looks big enough to do that on most occasions - obviously not this one, but some people will call anything!

[staffy]

I dont like the flat call in the button preflop. You either have to go all in or raise most your chips.

Post flop dont have a problem with your all in and you got unlucky on the river.

[Valiant23]

There are two callers before me (from middle positions) who both have me covered.

So, if I get this right there is already 2,100 chips in the middle, and you only flat call? My point to this is there is 50% of your stack in the middle by winning the pot there and then, so why not try adn d so.

If you had pushed all in preflop whilst still having a fold equity the chances are the villain with K5 would not have called.

Okay I know this outs you in a coinflip situation, but you weren't that much better off having hit your queen imo.

Now you've created a pot that really is too tempting for the guy with the flush draw, he calls and hits.

I'm not faulting the post flop shove, but with a drawing hand like AK/AQ sometimes it's better to just use it to steal the blinds and get on with the tourney.

[GotaFancy?]

IMO you had to shove pre flop - especially with 2 limpers - you can win 2150 there and then without seeing a flop - almost doubling up with no risk!!!

However, having not shoved pre flop - hitting top pair top kicker, with a flush draw on the board - you had to shove - if he's drawing you at least have to make him pay something!!!!

You were right to shove, and he was right to call - it played itself out.....

[robilaruk]

yes shove PF

yes shove the flop (if you limp)

both fine - but I would have chosen to shove PF - there is 2100 in the middle by the time it gets to you - thats 50% of your stack - by calling and missing the flop, you are throwing away 14% of your stack - so calling is not a good idea with AQ - the strength of AQ lies in either getting the pot already, or getting HU - not against 5 players

so don't muck about with the blinds that big - get your chips in now and make the K5s limper fold, before he gets a sniff of a hand

Damo

Originally Posted by happyhornet

I was playing in a tourney last night, doing okay when this hand occured:

I have 4350 chips, about 50th of 80 remaining, blinds are 300/600.

On the button I am dealt Ace of spades, Q of hearts.

There are two callers before me (from middle positions) who both have me covered.

I flat call, and both the blinds play. 3000 in the pot, and the flop comes Q spades, 10spades, 7diamonds.

Everyone checks to me, I go all in for 3750.

1 caller from middle position using 60% of his chips. he turns over K5spades on the flush draw, which he naturally makes on the river!

a) Should I have gone all in pre-flop?
b) Was I a bit rash shoving all in when I did?

I'm not sure how i should have played this. Any suggestions would be invaluable.

[AJ]

Shove PF, but nothing wrong with the shove on the Flop either.

you were well ahead when the money went in, you got outdrawn. It happens.

Your M was very low, better to make a stand now, when your push has some value, than when it becomes a value prop for the rest of the table.

Related to this, is AQ the worst hand of all time, I read somewhere recently, that more money is lost on AQ than any other starting hand

[robilaruk]

not a suprise really when it is played this poorly......



Damo

Originally Posted by Foolsgold

Related to this, is AQ the worst hand of all time, I read somewhere recently, that more money is lost on AQ than any other starting hand

[happyhornet]

Now Damo, tell me what you are thinking!! Don't be coy!!

Thanks to all of you who have responded. You have all hit the nail on the head, I should have gone all-in pre flop. I knew it, but was in self denial telling myself it was a bad beat!!

[Valiant23]

Mate we've all been there and all done it..

[mrmuzeman]

7BB on the button with AQ and 2 limpers before you, thats a pre flop all in if ever I saw one tbh