Was not expected that!

[WASP]

Went out of the Mansion $100k very early today, to this hand. I dont usually play the first level in a game so pocket queens on the button, I just called the min raise. When trips on the board give me FH I really thought FCK had missed, had high cards or maybe had min raised with A5 and hit his straight and was trying to make a move. I couldn't lay down it down so re-raised, when he called I though shit he has the 4 but no.. he had pocket kings.

Was I being a little over confident here (maybe because he was Danish ) or would you have done the same?

Seat 9 is the button
Total number of players: 9
Seat 1: KeyleK(2,580.00)
Seat 2: MCFC66(2,560.00)
Seat 3: vasily_i(2,530.00)
Seat 4: santino11(2,550.00)
Seat 5: strikethebet(2,470.00)
Seat 6: Horst(2,440.00)
Seat 7: carlos1983(2,470.00)
Seat 8: FCKoebenhavn(2,430.00)
Seat 9: The Mentalist(2,470.00)

Current Number of Players: 9
The Mentalist start position: 2,470.00
FCKoebenhavn start position: 2,430.00
carlos1983 start position: 2,470.00
Horst start position: 2,440.00
strikethebet start position: 2,470.00
santino11 start position: 2,550.00
vasily_i start position: 2,530.00
MCFC66 start position: 2,560.00
KeyleK start position: 2,580.00
KeyleK posts small blind (10)
MCFC66 posts big blind (20)
MCFC66 is dealt down [Qd Qs]
vasily_i folds
santino11 folds
(strikethebet) folds
Horst folds
(carlos1983) folds
FCKoebenhavn raises to (40)
The Mentalist folds
KeyleK folds
MCFC66 calls (40)
flop: [4s 4c 2d]
MCFC66 bets (60)
FCKoebenhavn calls (60)
turn: [4h]
MCFC66 bets (100)
FCKoebenhavn calls (100)
river: [3d]
MCFC66 bets (140)
FCKoebenhavn raises to (830)
MCFC66 raises to (2360) and is all-in
FCKoebenhavn calls (2230) and is all-in
MCFC66 is refunded (130)
MCFC66 shows [Qd Qs]
FCKoebenhavn shows [Kc Kd]
MCFC66 shows [Qd Qs] for a full house, fours full of queens
FCKoebenhavn shows [Kc Kd] for a full house, fours full of kings
FCKoebenhavn wins (4870)
KeyleK end position: 2,570.00
MCFC66 end position: 130.00
vasily_i end position: 2,530.00
santino11 end position: 2,550.00
strikethebet end position: 2,470.00
Horst end position: 2,440.00
carlos1983 end position: 2,470.00
FCKoebenhavn end position: 4,870.00
The Mentalist end position: 2,470.00
Hand end time: 2007-05-07 11:07:40

[Jimany]

Well, Danish = Denmark. Denmark = Scandinavia. Scandinavian poker players cause lots of

IMO I would've loved the board, but still would've played it cautiously, don't think there's any need to reraise all in on the river. His raise is sufficently large to set off the alarm bells.

[happyhornet]

I'm not sure many people could get away from that hand. With hindsight, sure you call the riase on the river and still have 1500-odd chips, but unless he has AA KK or the case 4, you are ahead.

Just very unlucky, in my opinion.

[Pocket Lady]

Very unlucky mate - I'd have been all in on that hand too- but from experience have you still not realised that when ever you have the ladies in your hand that you get slapped?

Have played on your table quite a few times and noticed that QQ seems to be one of your bogey hands.

[WASP]

Jimany & HH - Yes you are maybe right but I had two things behind the re-raise all in decision.

I have limped into the money twice in this tourney, which is not bad I suppose, but today I had it in mind to make the most of oppotunities when they arose not to play over cautious and make sure I was as far away from that bubble as possible. There are only 3 hands that can beat me did his play signify one of these hands?

He's a scando - great players but sometimes they can be predicatable, you will often see them call the flop and turn to set up a bluff on the river. My bets were low enough to keep him in the pot and I was expecting the big re-raise on the river and had already made my mind up to go all in. Maybe if I would have slowed down and thought about the situation I would have just called (but is this being over cautious?)

Sam you are right (as always ) I hate QQ and JJ but strange enough my favourite hand is QJ

[the mole]

You were just ul, but you are right there is a difference with getting into the money or targeting a high placing or win, you must make the best of your oppertunities. again vul

[happyhornet]

Originally Posted by MCFC66

Jimany & HH - Yes you are maybe right but I had two things behind the re-raise all in decision.

I have limped into the money twice in this tourney, which is not bad I suppose, but today I had it in mind to make the most of oppotunities when they arose not to play over cautious and make sure I was as far away from that bubble as possible. There are only 3 hands that can beat me did his play signify one of these hands?

He's a scando - great players but sometimes they can be predicatable, you will often see them call the flop and turn to set up a bluff on the river. My bets were low enough to keep him in the pot and I was expecting the big re-raise on the river and had already made my mind up to go all in. Maybe if I would have slowed down and thought about the situation I would have just called (but is this being over cautious?)

Sam you are right (as always ) I hate QQ and JJ but strange enough my favourite hand is QJ

MCFC: With hindsight you play it differently, at the time we all play it the same

[SteveO]

I think you made an amateurish mistake by re-raising after he bet 830. Amateur players have tunnel vision see that they have a fullhouse and get greedy not thinking of the correct play. The correct play would be just to call you have the 4th nuts and theres a wide range of hands he could have from the button including aa kk a4 etc. But look at it from his perspective when you reraise all in how good does his fullhouse look there I bet his ar se was twitching like a rabbits nose.

[WASP]

Originally Posted by INVASOR

I think you made an amateurish mistake by re-raising after he bet 830. Amateur players have tunnel vision see that they have a fullhouse and get greedy not thinking of the correct play. The correct play would be just to call you have the 4th nuts and theres a wide range of hands he could have from the button including aa kk a4 etc. But look at it from his perspective when you reraise all in how good does his fullhouse look there I bet his ar se was twitching like a rabbits nose.

nice point for view scarface

you are probably right (but fortune never f**cked a pig)

[CJB]

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I have limped into the money twice in this tourney, which is not bad I suppose, but today I had it in mind to make the most of oppotunities when they arose not to play over cautious and make sure I was as far away from that bubble as possible. There are only 3 hands that can beat me did his play signify one of these hands?

[/quote]

There is a fine dividing line between "over cautious", aggresive and reckless and you went too far on this hand. There were two clues that you were beat - the biggest one was the min raise pre flop. Your call on this only suggestd you did not have AA (or indeed any A) It suggested you have a smallish pocket pair and the way you played it bore this out.
The other clue was the big raise on the river but I guess you know this. At that stage you had only committed 340 chips and still had over 2000 to play with. If he was bluffing let him have his bluff - you can catch him later, when you have more information.
Basically min raise pre flop + large river raise here = fold.

[WASP]

hindsight is a wonderful thing

[CJB]

and so is experience.

[WASP]

Obviously on a wind up from The Daily shite forum so I'll just ignore you Mr Ivey.

What brought you back Colbro? lack of decent competition?

[CJB]

No Wind up here. I come here to read the other sports forum (have done for the last 6 months or so) and sometimes pop in here to read up.

I'm not quite to sure why I posted last night to be honest. I normally wouldn't bother. You asked if it was possible to get away from the hand here and what certain individuals would have done and I gave an answer. If you think it was just a cold deck then fine.

[SteveO]

The min raise preflop on the button could have meant anything, the only mistake he made was going all in on the river when he should have jusy flat called the raise.

[CJB]

The min raise preflop on the button could have meant anything, the only mistake he made was going all in on the river when he should have jusy flat called the raise.

[/quote]

This hand was round one of a 100K guaranteed with a large buy in (realtively speaking). It would be fair to assume that players are of a reasonable standard and not playing for the first time or are inexperienced. Most people know that min raises are poor plays as they price in opponents so it is usually done with a monster hand. Not always of course but often.
This plus the calls on the flop and turn showed he was not going anywhere.

[SteveO]

A large buy in I would say is $1000+. At this level you see players do crazy things just as you would on $2 buy in. Min raise from button =monster (note to myself).