Make the play part whatever..

[AJ]

2nd hand of a 6 player STT, I hit big on the river, what should I be doing here to maximise my return ?


PokerStars Game #XXXXXXXXX: Tournament #XXXXXX, $6.00+$0.60 Hold'em No Limit - Level I (10/20) - 2008/03/25 - 03:12:02 (ET)
Table '82193883 1' 6-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: waldo5247 (1505 in chips)
Seat 2: Gatorgirl74 (1490 in chips)
Seat 3: MagiccMann38 (1505 in chips)
Seat 4: asjohnstone (1500 in chips)
Seat 5: bigdustycool (1500 in chips)
Seat 6: mg1884 (1500 in chips)
MagiccMann38: posts small blind 10
asjohnstone: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to asjohnstone [As Ac]
bigdustycool: folds
mg1884: calls 20
waldo5247: folds
Gatorgirl74: folds
MagiccMann38: calls 10
asjohnstone: raises 20 to 40
mg1884: calls 20
MagiccMann38: calls 20
*** FLOP *** [2c 2d 9h]
MagiccMann38: checks
asjohnstone: bets 80
mg1884: calls 80
MagiccMann38: folds
*** TURN *** [2c 2d 9h] [Qs]
asjohnstone: bets 160
mg1884: calls 160
*** RIVER *** [2c 2d 9h Qs] [Ad]
asjohnstone: ????

[daftpegasus]

Because he's only called all the way and the fact that you want to get him to re raise I'd keep the bet reasonably low to try to keep him in the pot. I'd probably go to somewhere between 160 & 240 so I'll plump for 200.

[Dodger]

With 600 in the pot I would like to shove a bet in that makes it looks like I'm scared of the Ace but trying to nick the pot.
So I'd pitch it at 400 and hope he has a hand strong enough to raise with.
So early in the game it's impossible to gauge your opponent, so it's equally difficult to judge the best move.
A check may get a sizeable bet from him, an all-in may get an instant call...you just wouldn't know.

[stooo V2]

I'd be reluctant with a shove there. You're showing strength all the way through. Shoving screams that you have hit on the ace.

Checking I'd consider, but then he might think "hmmm there's a lot out there that can beat me, do i want to risk anymore chips? and just go to the showdown"

So I'd raise most prob the same as Daftpegasus aroung the 200-240 mark.

[AJ]

Thanks, I really struggle to get money into the pot sometimes, I did consider pushing here, but decided a small bet was better.

*** TURN *** [2c 2d 9h] [Qs]
asjohnstone: bets 160
mg1884: calls 160
*** RIVER *** [2c 2d 9h Qs] [Ad]
asjohnstone: bets 100
mg1884: raises 200 to 300

So I show weakeness, and I think he tries to steal the pot. Push now or reraise to 600 ??

[ubermonkey1]

i would raise to 700 .

i can only really see him on either 9s, a9,aq or q9 .
his bet on the river looks like he wants a caller ,so i guess he thinks he's ahead with at least 2 pair .

if he does have 2 pair he should at least call that bet as its only 400 more into a big pot.
if he has hit a boat then chances are he will reraise all in anyway .
if not then you at least get the extra 400 chips you may lose with the push ,as he can still fold it if you go all in.


it is a bit of a mistake not to push the pot a bit more earlier.
if you had you could have easily gone all in at this point ,as he would have been more pot commited.

[happyhornet]

I agree with Uber and re-raise not push. A push could see a fold, and re-raise should get called for all the reasons Uber suggested

[AJ]

I pushed

asjohnstone: raises 920 to 1220 and is all-in
mg1884: calls 920 and is all-in
*** SHOW DOWN ***
asjohnstone: shows [As Ac] (a full house, Aces full of Deuces)
mg1884: shows [2s 2h] (four of a kind, Deuces)
mg1884 collected 3040 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 3040 | Rake 0
Board [2c 2d 9h Qs Ad]
Seat 1: waldo5247 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: Gatorgirl74 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: MagiccMann38 (small blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 4: asjohnstone (big blind) showed [As Ac] and lost with a full house, Aces full of Deuces
Seat 5: bigdustycool folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: mg1884 showed [2s 2h] and won (3040) with four of a kind, Deuces

[Tweetypie05]

Unlucky AJ... no way you could get away from that hand.
Nothing wrong with the push in the end as even if you had only raised rather than pushed he would have got all your money in the middle anyway.
Very hard to put him on 22. Tough luck mate.

[stooo V2]

yeah thats pretty sick to be fair and one ya not getting away from.

[whycantistayawayfromdogs]

Not saying he wouldnt have got to the flop anyway but what is with the pissy pre-flop raise...?

Either way that guy was probably laughing his ass off when he saw your hand, impossible to get away from by the river. Im pretty sure when i get quads the other guy doesnt hit a full house to get me paid, bastard.

[AJ]

yeah, the preflop raise was crappy, I decided to take a chance and try and pot build, I'm on the big big and I've had one caller plus the smal blind, I really want to keep people in the pot.

Would have been better raising to 100 and lifting the blinds

[whycantistayawayfromdogs]

Originally Posted by AJ

yeah, the preflop raise was crappy, I decided to take a chance and try and pot build, I'm on the big big and I've had one caller plus the smal blind, I really want to keep people in the pot.

Would have been better raising to 100 and lifting the blinds

I know what you mean, we all want customers when weve got big hands. Either way, we cant be certain he is folding to a raise anyway.