Laying down AA first hand

[WASP]

I was on a semi wind up the other night in Brum with a few other Pler's and it seemed to cause a lot of debate. My question was....

'If you had bought into a major tournament (say the main event) and you got dealt AA first hand, you raise 5 or 6 BB's and 1 person goes all in, everyone else has folded, its just you and him what would you do?'

Now I was quite taken aback by the instant 'call' shout by the majority and then I took some ribbing because I said I would fold and naturally everyone thought I was on a wind up

In all honestly I do not know what I would do until the situation arose, I knew I would think about for more than the one second most people thought about it . There was something in the back of mind that I had read this somewhere and it had stuck with me. I told Gazza and Kevshat that I am sure it was Scott Fischman that mention it and I got told 'bollox he would call all day everyday now get to the bar ya northern bastid'

BUT....low and behold after much searching I have found it (and guess what it is Scott Fischman ) It is in the Fishtank in July 2006 pokerplayer page 56 .

I would genuinely be interested to see what other people would do without any influence from Scott Fischman.

[dobbin]

I would deff call(I am a bit of a donk).
The Reason.
AA against 1 other person ,you are in a brillant spot,it wouldnt matter if it was the first hand in a major tournament or not.Surely getting all the money in with AA against 1 other person is the whole idea.

But this is a great question and hopefully be a great debate.

[slick mick]

Unless you're up against the other two aces you are a huge favourite to win so a very good reason to call. The only reason not to call is if you are soooooooooooo good at poker you believe you have a better chance of doubling through by playing lots of smaller pots. Personally I'm calling every time because I know how good I am, maybe after a few years and a lot of improvement I might be able to fold but I doubt it.

[happyhornet]

I can understand why someone would lay these down in that situation. No-one, at any time, wants to put their tournament life on the line unless it is necessary.

Saying that, I think i would call. You are getting your money in when you are ahead (unless he has the other two Aces). I just don't think I could pass the opportunity up. I probably don't have the skill level to outplay the vast majority of my opponents at that level, and this situation represents too good an opportunity.

[gazabroad]

I´ve learnt the hard way too many times.

At the start of the tournament when the blinds are still low it is an instant fold unless you know the other player, and the way he plays.

You wouldn´t toss a coin for the seat and still pay the entrance fee win or lose.
Basically thats what this situation amounts to.

[GotaFancy?]

No chance I would fold - Will I get better chances/odds than that? Unlikely .....

Think it's different for the pro's as they have more of an edge on the field, possibly greater than calling as a 70% or so favourite - I dont think our edge is great enough to pass up Aces pre flop.....

If you give this other guy any respect at all, what position can he be in? If he has AA, it's probably a split pot, if he has a high pocket pair, you are an 80%/20% favourite, if he has AK (or Ax) he's in big trouble) ..... he's not even going into the hand with 2 live cards.....

[GotaFancy?]

Originally Posted by gazabroad

You wouldn´t toss a coin for the seat and still pay the entrance fee win or lose.
Basically thats what this situation amounts to.

What hand do you put him on that leaves it a coin flip?

[Pocket Lady]

I will give you the same answer as Thursday night:

FOLD !

After paying to buy in I am not going out in the first hand.

AA is ONLY a pair (ok top pair) but having played for a while now and having enjoyed "cracking" AA with my AK or suited connectors or small pp that have tripped I'm deffo folding here.















Besides Mr V would kill me going out in the 1st hand after buying into a tourney.

[robilaruk]

feck knows

you are a 4:1 fav (assuming no AA for villian) - so mathematically you should call

however........ its first hand of a 10K buy-in and I would like to see more than one hand for my money please


however, I am probably a lot worse player than 30% of the field so I need to take my chances and I will be calling/shoving in a lot worse situation later on


so.........




hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm






still don't fecking know............


how poor a player am I? this is a really simple question and should have a really simple answer

Damo





[quote=MCFC66;723674]

'If you had bought into a major tournament (say the main event) and you got dealt AA first hand, you raise 5 or 6 BB's and 1 person goes all in, everyone else has folded, its just you and him what would you do?'

[robilaruk]

the other AA

Damo

Originally Posted by GotaFancy?

What hand do you put him on that leaves it a coin flip?

[slapdash]

Purely from the point of view of equity, it must be right to call unless you
think that you are significantly better than the field (unless you're sure the
other guy also has aces, in which case I think it's right to fold unless you're
noticeably worse than the field). But probably it would be correct for the top
players to fold. However, it would obviously not be right for them to let
anybody know that they would fold.

There may be other considerations than pure equity, though. If you're
playing in the WSOP Main Event for the first and only time, and don't really
expect to cash, the experience of playing more than one hand may be more
valuable to you than the added equity.

[gazabroad]

Originally Posted by GotaFancy?

What hand do you put him on that leaves it a coin flip?

Put him on ANY pair, and although I´m favourite with top pair..........

5 cards turnover, and he has the same chance mathematically of matching his cards as I do.

I know I´m ahead but to me its just not worth the risk at that stage of the game.

Now You watch me get dealt AA first hand on Betfair tonight. ( I´ll be allin like a shot)

[jones12345]

I,d call everytime bri as you know with the conversation we had,but can also understand how any1 would fold this one to.We all play differently but i would assume 99% of people would call and the other 1% are muppets
Great question and have really enjoyed everyones thoughts and comments

[jones12345]

having said that lost twice last night with aa against 9 10 off suit and qk off so what do i know both hitting straights on river

[GotaFancy?]

If you play a major event as "scared money" and do things like AA pre flop, then IMO you will be playing anything else very weakly too - the other players will trample all over you - your chances of making the money will be pretty much non existent ...... you have to play your normal, your best, game to maximise your chances ...... otherwise, there's no point in playing!!!

There's NO shame in going out of a tournament with AA when the money is all in pre flop......

[GotaFancy?]

Originally Posted by gazabroad

Put him on ANY pair, and although I´m favourite with top pair..........

80%/20% favourite and you want to fold? You'll be kicking yourself later when the blinds are forcing you to shove with J7s!!!!

[dobbin]

If you folding AA pre flop on the first hand,you might has well fold AA pre flop anytime in a tournament.

[Norfolk Enchance]

I agree with GaF. If you're going to fold AA pre flop against one other player then I don't think you should be playing. You'd probably be better off selling your main event ticket half price and entering a $10 re-buy

I call without thinking and to be honest can't believe my luck.

[Tax_Monkey]

Against only one other player I'm calling every time.

[Norfolk Enchance]

Don't have my pokerplayer mags to hand atm, what did Fischman say exactly?