How important are your cards?

[robilaruk]

I would doubt most people do think about pot odds - they see two pretty cards and call without thinking at all

Just my thoughts

Damo


[quote=Valiant23;622035]
Sorry but in this day and age this is bollox. The chances are most people don't think about position. They think about pot odds.

[robilaruk]

errr no

if he shoves he removes any post flop postional disadvantage

he is in position when he makes his move (he shoved PF right?)

regardles of whther he was stealing or not - when he made the move he was in position, (otherwise you are always OOP PF unless you are in the BB and last to act)

Damo




[quote=MCFC66;622693]
Your move wasn't a positional move you were stealing SB against BB you are out of position there mate

[AJ]

I love this thread. As we become better players and move to more advanced issues, disagreement will occur. There are fewer absoulte rights and wrongs now. 18 months ago a lot of people on here were new players, the basics needed very little debate.

Having people argue passionate opinions really exposes issues helps us all learn.

[WASP]

[quote=robilaruk;622930]errr no

if he shoves he removes any post flop postional disadvantage

he is in position when he makes his move (he shoved PF right?)

regardles of whther he was stealing or not - when he made the move he was in position, (otherwise you are always OOP PF unless you are in the BB and last to act)

Damo

I have to disagree mate... just because I can

SB has no positional advantage over BB pre or post flop unless you are heads up

[Valiant23]

Dan Harington said I had first in liquorice. He wrote a book y'know.

[robilaruk]

ok - its folded to the SB - he shoves therefore he removes any postional disadvantage he has by forcing the action as there is no more betting if the BB calls.

he is actually using his position with only one more player to act, therefore he does have postional advantage when he shoves as he is acting first, and the BB has to decide what to do


Damo


I have to disagree mate... just because I can

SB has no positional advantage over BB pre or post flop unless you are heads up[/quote]

[^Newbie^]

just adopted this kind of position play of late and entered an STT and came 1st . Something must be going right these days

[Dodger]

It was a few weeks ago now that I sat and admired the play of Jaded in a PL game.
Absolutely dominant pile of chips and it was a pot size raise, or more, on every hand.
We could all see what was going on here...but it didn't make it any easier to call when you were facing a massive chip leader.
No position, no cards and no playing the players...simply a case of playing the stacks.
I agree with the general flow here, that your play adjusts to suit the specific circumstances and, if you can alter your play regularly, then you'll keep your opponents guessing.

[Jannieb]

I think That how much you can use positinal play depends a lot off the game you are sitting in if it has alot off calling stations you have to be ready to show down the best hand.
You must have a read off the game before you use it to much.

[GotaFancy?]

Jaded - whatever happened to your elaboration you talked of in post 1?

[Jaded]

Originally Posted by GotaFancy?

Jaded - whatever happened to your elaboration you talked of in post 1?

I hit a bad patch! At the time it was posted, I was preparing to staunchly defend my hyper-aggressive "Sod the cards, shove and run" strategy, but it's let me down recently. (That game on Sunday was bizarre, virtually every hand I played would make Sklansky's top 50!)

I think the posts I'd agree with most are yours about cards becoming less important as you go through a tourney, and whoever it was who praised me for the aggression with a big stack.

Early on, stick with premium hands. (And yes, I'm fully aware that I don't always follow my own advice there!!)

After the blinds start to eat away, if you're losing your stack, loosen up a bit and try stealing sometimes BEFORE your M gets too low.

Once your M is at 5 or less, look for high cards and shove when no-one's in.

If you get a big stack, THIS is when you can pretty much sod the cards - instead, concentrate on working out whose blinds you can steal, who's likely to put up a fight if they're still in when you play the hand, and how to bluff people. (Used in moderation, Stu Ungar's 4 bluff tactic can REALLY work well, at the risk of looking incredibly stupid if they have something.)

[GotaFancy?]

Jaded - Hope you dont mind (and if you do, don't answer ) - Do you consider yourself a profitable player on No Limit Holdem MTT's? Have to be honest, I find it difficult to see (for all that I admire about your style)

[Jaded]

GaF - I am. Very very slightly, but in profit. Bear in mind that when my style works, it works REALLY, REALLY well. Considering I don't play that many MTT's, especially these days, the big wins do just about make up for the number of tourneys I crash and burn early on in.

STT's and cash games are another story...

Although have tightened up a LOT in early stages of STT's now, and am doing okay so far