Flush on the flop. What do you do? (New HH to discuss)

[Valiant23]

Oops. Sorry for the delay...


I really couldn't believe that the flush had fallen into my lap, and so I reverted to 'type' and went back to being a calling station.


So I checked.

Valiant23: checks
CCHITMAN: checks
SammyMay: checks
TROGON: bets 40
kebo1: folds
rosie_all_in: folds
Valiant23: calls 40
CCHITMAN: folds
SammyMay: calls 40
*** TURN *** [As 2s 7s] [Qc]

Again I'm first to act. I would like to comment on my state of mind during this hand, but I don't want to give anything away...

[mrmuzeman]

Same kind of thing really. Queen is a decent enough card to come off too. The most likely hands for the 2 to have are one on a flush draw and the other with top pair so a good bet is in order. Pot is 240 I think so id bet 200.

[GotaFancy?]

A near pot sized bet sounds good to me

[Fader]

i would probably bet the same amount to get accross to the other players that your also on a draw, that way your not sticking TOO much into the pot to lose from a calling station with a spade AND you can make the big bet on the river look like a steal.

[glceud]

I'd stick it all in there and then.
You must be ahead and there is every chance you will get a caller at what would be shocking pot odds. Surley Fader you do want the calling station to call?
Are the pot sized bets designed to help you get paid more in the long run?

[AJ]

I'd go for a pot sized bet here as well.

If he calls and hits his flush on teh river, fair enough. Win or lose isn't important, being ahead when you make the bet is. Long term it'll come good.

Other option is to push and try and induce a fold.

If he's slow played a monster flush, then fair enough.

[Fader]

I'd stick it all in there and then.
You must be ahead and there is every chance you will get a caller at what would be shocking pot odds. Surley Fader you do want the calling station to call?
Are the pot sized bets designed to help you get paid more in the long run?

I must admit i play alot of heads-up, rarely play cash games nowadays so it would be different in a cash game i suppose because im up against more variants

[happyhornet]

I would push this and bet about 300. The problem may be that at this level, there are far too many players who will call when the odds are against them, and someone on a four-flush may get lucky on the river.

[Dave488]

Have to agree with most people above, I would bet the pot, you're not giving them the odds for the flush draw so you will win in the long run.

I make the odds of them having a higher flush as 8/47 * 4/46 = 1.5% as there only 4 higher spades than your 9.

If they have higher flush so be it, but chances are that small that in a STT you have to ignore that small chance, imo.

[Valiant23]

Well, as you will see it's apparent that I played this hand awfully....

Valiant23: checks
SammyMay: bets 100
TROGON: raises 100 to 200
Valiant23: calls 200
SammyMay: calls 100
*** RIVER *** [As 2s 7s Qc] [Ad]

Me next....

[GotaFancy?]

The way you have played this hand could give you a very tough decision....

I think the paired board adds too much danger - I check and call a small bet - a larger bet and I dont know, probably fold.....

You're beat by 2 spades (probably), A2, A7, AQ, AA, 22, 77, QQ and you've just been calling, so have no real idea how strong your opponents are.....only 2 opponents left, but 5 saw the flop ........ every chance somone holds one of the hands beating you......

[slapdash]

Originally Posted by Dave488

I make the odds of them having a higher flush as 8/47 * 4/46 = 1.5% as there only 4 higher spades than your 9.

A bit more than that. There are 47*46/2 = 1081 possible hands (divided by two
because each two-card hand could come in two possible orders).

Hands giving a flush: 8*7/2 =28

Lower flushes: 4*3/2=6.

So higher flushes: 28 - 6 = 22.

Probability of a higher flush = 22/1081 = 0.02 = 2%.

And the fact that he's stayed in this far increases the probability that he
has a higher flush quite a lot: he'd have folded lots of hands that didn't
make a higher flush, but wouldn't (at least after the flop) have folded a
hand that did make a higher flush.

[happyhornet]

Ironically, I think you may still be winning! Most of the hands GaF mentioned above would (probably) been raised pre flop (pairs and AQ), and anyone with two pair on that flop would surely place a biggish bet to see if the flush is present.

I would fire off a 400 bet, and see what happens.

[Masterplan]

Originally Posted by robilaruk

bet about 150 and call the shove re-raise

Damo

ditto

[robilaruk]

the words

underground overground wombling free......... spring to mind

OK - error made, lulled them into believling you called with bottom pair hoping for trips

so NOW BET ABOUT 500 - yes its a massive over bet, yes they will go WTF ?????????????????????? and yes they might all fold, however, womble with Q10 off will now call believing his Q is good and the other guy holding Ks 8d will also call.......

you did bet right?? - tell me you bet.......
PLEASEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Damo

Originally Posted by Valiant23

Oops. Sorry for the delay...


I really couldn't believe that the flush had fallen into my lap, and so I reverted to 'type' and went back to being a calling station.


So I checked.

Again I'm first to act. I would like to comment on my state of mind during this hand, but I don't want to give anything away...

[robilaruk]

don't care anymore - just rubbish all the way through


you should have SHOVED THE FECKING TURN to the bet and raise

SHOVE SHOVE SHOVE SHOVE SHOVE SHOVE SHOVE

just in case you don't understand......

SHOVE




now?? - just check it down, this is NOT the time to find some bollocks and bet at the pot

do i sound a bit harsh matey? well thats because I am in this case - play to win not play scared - my 10 month old daughter would have played this properly

what to do is some one shoves? - just fold.... and then cry when he shows KsQd or A5off etc

Damo

Originally Posted by Valiant23

Well, as you will see it's apparent that I played this hand awfully....



Me next....

[Dave488]

Obvious you have got yourself into a difficult situation now, I think I would check and then call a bet.

If sammy bets and then trogon just calls I think I would call, but if sammy bets and then trogon raises I think you have to fold.

[Valiant23]

Originally Posted by Dave488

Obvious you have got yourself into a difficult situation now, I think I would check and then call a bet.

Good idea.....

Lets see what happens....


Valiant23: checks
SammyMay: checks
TROGON: bets 240
Valiant23: raises 260 to 500
SammyMay: folds
TROGON: calls 260













*** SHOW DOWN ***
Valiant23: shows [9s 6s] (a flush, Ace high)
TROGON: shows [7d 7c] (a full house, Sevens full of Aces)
TROGON collected 1840 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 1840 | Rake 0
Board [As 2s 7s Qc Ad]
Seat 1: TROGON showed [7d 7c] and won (1840) with a full house, Sevens full of Aces


End result was I finished 3rd in the STT.
TROGON came 2nd.

[glceud]

So some one had a set and would probably have called an all in shove on the turn and would have knocked me out. I still think it would have been the right play though.
The reaise on the river was certainly a bad play though

[GotaFancy?]

You RAISED him after your call??? Are you nuts?

No bad beat there You got what you deserved (sorry mate )

You're just lucky he didn't then put you all in on the river!!!!

What were you thinking? It's almost a milking bet you put in on the end, but without a hand strong enough to do that!!!!