AA Problem?

[aimar21]

he could be making the same moves with an overpair till 99. Also he could be using the check-raise bluff thinking the board missed you. In live tournaments it's easier to figure this out but online it's very hard to understand what players are doing so I would still call and probably lose to a river flush then play go fish with my little cousin.

[Valiant23]

Originally Posted by Dave488

I think you have to fold, definately in a live game as you have asked him the question and he has given you the answer, you must be behind. Probably to 66 for the full house. Only other possibility is he could have the same hand as you.

I think online if you are playing a freeroll i would probably call as they could easily just have an over pair to the board.

I actually had a very similar hand to this online, i had kings had raised 5 * BB, flop came exactly the same 8 8 6, bet pot sized on flop and turn, he just called, he then put me all in on the river, i should have folded, but didn't, he had 8 6o!!!

Originally Posted by aimar21

he could be making the same moves with an overpair till 99. Also he could be using the check-raise bluff thinking the board missed you. In live tournaments it's easier to figure this out but online it's very hard to understand what players are doing so I would still call and probably lose to a river flush then play go fish with my little cousin.

I posted it for the very reason you have both mentioned.

You see, at the casino I knew that if I got the call wrong that was it for the night but I agonised for two minutes or more before folding. I wanted to make the call but I wanted to stay in the tournament more. I eventually flipped em and watched the guy take his chips to see a reaction and I believe he was gutted I didn't call.

The way he played the hand screamed a small/mid pair although I couldn't discount A8 obviously. In fact I think when he raised all in on the turn (2) I believe he had hit trip 2's to make a full house.

Now the reason I asked what peoples online decision would be was because I knew that personally I would have had say 30 seconds to make the same judgement and in truth I would have said "fcuk it" and called. I would have known I was behind when I made the call but the fact is when we play online the decision doesn't matter. It takes no effort to go to the lobby and find another game.

This is something that I need to change in my online game and will look to do so.

For those of you who are like me and would have folded in a card-room and called in an online tourney, think about this before you make the call. If you are happy to make the call and find another game you are running the risk of having a very long losing streak because you're playing for the sake of playing, not for the sake of winning.

Thanks to those who took the time to reply in this thread.

[mrmuzeman]

Good fold V. To quote myself

If he checkraises then its gona have to be an annoying fold imo. He would very rarely checkraise without the above danger hands.

I was gona say why dyou keep saying online whatr do you, live what do you do. Personally it makes no difference to me which it is. Although now I see why you put it.

Shame you didnt ACTUALLY get to see what he had though. It looks like me PP read was probably a good one though, works good that does.

[Valiant23]

Originally Posted by mrmuzeman

Good fold V. To quote myself

I was gona say why dyou keep saying online whatr do you, live what do you do. Personally it makes no difference to me which it is. Although now I see why you put it.

Shame you didnt ACTUALLY get to see what he had though. It looks like me PP read was probably a good one though, works good that does.

Cheers mate.


I did it like that for two reasons;

1 - The scenario was live

2 - Like I said. I knew my decision making is different online and its something I really need to change. I find it much easier to get away from hands in a casino. I hope most are like you, but if any are like me well maybe this will help.

I didn't actually see what he had but as I was on my way home the tourney was on a break, so I asked him if he would tell me. The table was discussing that hand for a while afterwards and he kept quiet and that told me he had me too.

His hand?
10 8 suited (he said)

[robbiemc]

id have called because if he had 66 88 would he not flat call and let u bet again?

[aimar21]

that's not true if he really had 10 8 which means the trips, he could think that you had a flush draw. If he puts you on a flush draw, then he can't win any bets in fifth street. Either you hit your flush and win the pot, or you miss it and fold. So he wanted to win as much as he could in the fourth street while you are still on a draw that is very likely to miss you.

[Valiant23]

I don't see anywhere in my play where I suggested any kind of draw Aimar. 10bb's on a draw is the kind of aggression that (imo) only a skilled LAG such as Jaded would be comfortable with.

Whether or not he actually had me beat he persuaded me to fold so it was a truly good hand. I played my hand correctly (imo) and apart from amybe calling my pre-flop raise so did he.

[mrmuzeman]

If he did have 108 I disagree that he played it well. Checkraising isnt the sort of play I think is good in general when you have a big hand (apart from river checkraising which is a delight). If he leads into you on the flop, you raise him and he goes back all in over the top its difficult to see you folding AA. Leading into preflop raisers is the way to win big pots. Not check calling on dry boards then check raising the turn on a blank, hes just letting you know he has a big hand and you can correctly get away from your Aces. Which is good for you obviously.

[aimar21]

You didn't show any sign of a draw that's right but you could be on a runner flush draw by chance.

What if you had AQ or AK suited and were making a continuation bet (Of course I don't know if you have been doing them before) at the flop and he trapped you to do so because he knew you would, then once more on the turn but this time afraid of the flush so he raises and tries to make the most money out of it.

Anyways I'm having problems remembering hand situations at this one everytime I try to post a reply so I'm probably missing something and you are probably right .