England > Championship - Dec 9-11 - The Punters Lounge

Paul Ross · 07-12-2005, 00:41

Friday 9 December 2005
	Home	Draw	Away	BPP
Stoke v Leicester (19:45 GMT)	2.26	3.30	3.60	103%
Saturday 10 December 2005
	Home	Draw	Away	BPP
Coventry v Millwall (15:00 GMT)	2.10	3.35	3.80	104%
Crewe v Norwich (15:00 GMT)	2.86	3.30	2.60	104%
Crystal Palace v Wolves (15:00 GMT)	2.24	3.30	3.40	105%
Derby v Preston (15:00 GMT)	2.60	3.25	2.86	105%
Hull v Sheffield Wed (15:00 GMT)	2.02	3.30	4.30	104%
Ipswich v QPR (15:00 GMT)	2.28	3.25	3.55	103%
Leeds v Cardiff (15:00 GMT)	1.82	3.40	5.30	104%
Reading v Brighton (15:00 GMT)	1.40	4.40	9.00	103%
Sheffield Utd v Burnley (15:00 GMT)	1.70	3.50	6.00	105%
Watford v Plymouth (15:00 GMT)	1.76	3.55	6.00	102%
Sunday 11 December 2005
	Home	Draw	Away	BPP
Southampton v Luton (13:30 GMT)	2.24	3.45	3.70	101%

kevshat · 07-12-2005, 01:12

Luton's away form is nowhere near as bad as the results suggest. I can ensure you that one of these days someone is going to get a seriously good hiding in their own back yard from us. On the face of it our 3-0 defeat at Reading on Saturday looks like a sound beating but it was far from that. We were well in the game for the 1st 75 mins in fact we were even the better side for much of that and Reading have their keeper to thank for keeping them in it. Luckily for me we're on the box on Sunday so everyone can see for themselves how we play away from home.

Southampton are nowhere near Reading's class and hopefully we can take advantage of the uncertainty down there on Sunday. 3.70 is a very big price on us.

I'll report back later in the week with team news and stuff but that is my original thoughts.

hayward2k · 07-12-2005, 03:19

Southampton are nowhere near Reading's class

Think your wrong there mate. Almost every team that has played Southampton in the Championship so far has said that Saints are the best team they have played. Southampton outclassed Reading throughout the game but they just don't have the killer instinct to finish anything off.

Luton made a fantastic start to the season but have lost their last 5 games away. Throughout the season they have won 3 aways in 11 attempts. They are very strong at home granted.

Southampton are this seasons draw specialists, drawing no less than 13 games this season, they can't buy 3 points. 6 of those draws have been at home. All of Southamptons Championship games shown live on Sky so far have ended as a draw.

It's also worth noting that Luton are yet to draw away this season. But even with that last point considered i believe this is destined to be a draw.

Bets -

Southampton v Luton - Draw

H/T-F/T

Southampton/Draw

kevshat · 07-12-2005, 16:11

Not at all mate. I've seen every team in this division live apart from Derby, Brighton, Watford and Ipswich and only Sheffield Utd have come close to being anywhere near Reading and with all respect you wouldn't think those 4 would be any different. Those 2 are in a different class to the other 22 in the league. The league table tells you that.

Every side we've played this season says we are a good side, tough to beat blah blah blah. It's all talk, especially if they've not won the game. They are hardly going to come out and say "no Southampton are shit which doesn't say much for us if we couldn't beat them" are they?

If Southampton were that good they wouldn't be languishing in 12th place in the league a full 25 points behind Reading having drawn 13 of 21. Ok losing only 3 all season is a good record but they'll get nowhere by drawing so many. Ask Wolves that. They would have been better off winning 5 and losing 8!

As for Luton's away form, we've actually won 4 out of the 11 (Palace, Leicester, Hull and Cardiff) which on the face of it is only average but you can write off the Coventry, Sheff Utd, and Norwich games as we were decimated by injuries. We've also had a few hard luck stories too.

A close to full strength side or as near to a full strength side as we've had recently were the better side for 75 mins against the league leaders on Saturday, we just weren't clinical enough.

As I said before someone will get a good hiding soon because eventually we will start to take our chances and with a fully fit squad to choose from coupled with the strange goings on down on the South Coast these days it could well be Sunday and at 3.70 we are a good price to do so.

hayward2k · 07-12-2005, 16:23

If Southampton were that good they wouldn't be languishing in 12th place in the league a full 25 points behind Reading having drawn 13 of 21. Ok losing only 3 all season is a good record but they'll get nowhere by drawing so many.

As i said in my original post, Southampton have all the qualities of a league winning side, they just don't have a striker that can finish.

Every side we've played this season says we are a good side, tough to beat blah blah blah. It's all talk, especially if they've not won the game.

Teams that have come away with 3 points from Southampton this year alla Leeds have all said they don't know how they did it. Saint's luck has to change sometime.

you can write off the Coventry, Sheff Utd, and Norwich games as we were decimated by injuries. We've also had a few hard luck stories too.

All teams have injury problems, Southampton as much as anyone. As a matter of fact it's been announced today that Michael Svennson will be out for 2 months having knee surgery. This will seriously affect Southamptons sturdy backline. Quashie, by far the best midfielder in the league is still banned. The backbone of the side really does run through Niemi, Svennson and Quashie. With two of them out Luton may have an outside chance.

I still believe that it will be a draw and thats where my moneys going.

kevshat · 07-12-2005, 18:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by hayward2k

If Southampton were that good they wouldn't be languishing in 12th place in the league a full 25 points behind Reading having drawn 13 of 21. Ok losing only 3 all season is a good record but they'll get nowhere by drawing so many.

As i said in my original post, Southampton have all the qualities of a league winning side, they just don't have a striker that can finish.

Every side we've played this season says we are a good side, tough to beat blah blah blah. It's all talk, especially if they've not won the game.

Teams that have come away with 3 points from Southampton this year alla Leeds have all said they don't know how they did it. Saint's luck has to change sometime.

you can write off the Coventry, Sheff Utd, and Norwich games as we were decimated by injuries. We've also had a few hard luck stories too.

All teams have injury problems, Southampton as much as anyone. As a matter of fact it's been announced today that Michael Svennson will be out for 2 months having knee surgery. This will seriously affect Southamptons sturdy backline. Quashie, by far the best midfielder in the league is still banned. The backbone of the side really does run through Niemi, Svennson and Quashie. With two of them out Luton may have an outside chance.

I still believe that it will be a draw and thats where my moneys going.

I take it you are a Southampton fan? Although I'm only an outsider looking in I have to say Southampton are nowhere near league winning material. They are more like a joke right now. They lack far more than a decent striker, firstly if they are going to be screwed with 2 injuries then they lack a squad, they seem to rely heavily on a 16 year old, they lack a manager and they lack a chairman with an ounce of football knowledge. Both Reading and Sheff U seem to have all of the above.

Yes all teams have injury problems and when they do their results get worse and form dips. However when those players are back results improve and form gets better. We are now in the latter stage whereas by the sound of it Southampton are entering the former stage.

Luton have already beaten Southampton once this season and I've seen nothing to suggest that we won't do it again on Sunday. We are playing better and we have our 1st team back now and so 3.70 seems very big to me.

Away from the Luton game, Preston have one of the better away records in the league and are in very good form at present. They look good value to beat Derby.

Stoke's home form isn't the greatest but from what I've heard they seem to be playing much better since Bangoura came into their team and they should be too good for Leicester on Friday night for me. Bangoura's also scored 1st in 4 of Stoke's last 5 and the time which he didn't, he scored the 2nd goal in the game. He could be worth a punt for 1st goalscorer. He's a best priced 5/1 for 1st goal and 11/8 to score anytime.

aliando · 07-12-2005, 23:12

It'll be interesting to see how Southampton perform now Redknapp has fckued off.

I believe that Southmpton are one of the better sides in the league - the table may not reflect this as teams are more likely to raise their game against Southampton than Reading (who have quietly been improving over the last few years). Also, Southampton have had to come to terms with relegation (just look at all the relegated teams in the different leagues from last season) which can be psychologically quite damaging. The early half-season is often no exact indictor as to the final positions (out side of the prem at least) - the real game starts now with the run up to xmas - cut and paste the league tables now and see the differences at the end of the season.

Southampton should be in the mix if a half decent manager is appointed (i agree that they also need a decent striker, preferably one who is eligible to vote!). Luton should finish top-half - away form can often be the deciding factor between top-half and promoted teams, and I appreciate all the injuries and hard-luck stories but EVERY team has these!

As a neutral, I would be looking at a home win here but will wait for further news.

bowles10 · 07-12-2005, 23:56

Soton have one of the best defensive records in the league to date but their inability to kill off teams & settle for yet another draw mean they are detined to be another Wolves, i'm afraid.

A new Manager may help, not sure. They seem to rely on a 16yo to get their goals yet they sold Beattie & Crouch last year & copped the cash.

QPR at Ipswich. yet another of our good away grounds. We went there last year & stole the points. Our record there reads 4-2-2 in last 8 meetings, not bad. At home it reads 3-3-3 so overall in 17 mtgs it reads 7-5-5 in our favour.

We have a couple of players returning but are still well short of any quality if you ask me. Until we sort the manager out, we are destined for mid table at best. 4 pts from last 6 may mean we are starting a run, so stick with us for now to get a result from this fixture.

Djordje · 08-12-2005, 10:19

Sheff Utd is bet of the round in my opinion. They had few blows lately and made 3 games winless streak, but after win over local rivals in last round I think they're ready to continue their fight for top of the table. Reading aleady made four points reserve and Blades won't lack motivation these days.

Burnley won't be walkovers for them, but they had really awful record over there in last couple of seasons and I really don't see why they would make better result this time.

Anything higher than 1.6 is worth maximum bet in my opinion.

Milwall could make surprise at Coventry in my opinion. Coventry have decent record at home though, but Miwall seem to play better away from home this season. Reason for their better away record this season could be the pressure they have in home games. H2H stats point to away win.

Priced offered for this match were probably expected, but I think they are wrong. Milwall can win this one, and after all away win wouldn't be such big surprise. Medium bet on Milwall.

Hull vs Sheff Wed is one of those 'draw written all over it' games. Small stakes as this one can go either way.

bartonbank · 08-12-2005, 14:07

Although Norwich have been a disappointment this season there is no hiding the fact that Crewe are dire, dire, dire! Gradi bought plenty of strikers over the summer months yet the words 'cow's arse' and 'banjo' come to mind. Their defence is also like a seive at the moment.
Norwich are value @ 2.60

davidmphill · 08-12-2005, 17:06

Sheffield United v Burnley

So Warnock stays. He wants to get promotion with his beloved Utd. If that’s to be the case then this is the kind on game he’ll have to win, a tough fixture against a work man like Burnley side. Utd won the Sheffield derby last week as expected 1-0 and have an outstanding home record to speak of, 9-2-0 with only 6 goals conceded. The H2H is massively in favour of the home side 5-0-0. Burnley have picked up really well of late with 5 wins in their last 7 games with a win at Luton and defeat at Leeds in those games. I think Burnley can beat sides of their own standing but will struggle to do so against the higher placed sides and with this in mind I’m fairly confident of a home win for the Blades.

Sheffield United 7/10 @ 1.71 betfair

davidmphill · 08-12-2005, 17:06

Reading v Brighton

Reading still unbeaten since their first game of the season will be looking to remain at the top of the table when lowly Brighton pays them a visit. Brighton have found it hard to win games recording just the 2 so far, they’ve drawn a staggering 10 games of which 8 of those have been on the road and their only win came at the hands of their deadly rivals Palace. Reading are on a run of 6 straight wins home and away and keeping things tight with only 2 goals let in their last 6 games.

Reading -1 6/10 @ 2.2 bet365

aliando · 08-12-2005, 17:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by bartonbank

Although Norwich have been a disappointment this season there is no hiding the fact that Crewe are dire, dire, dire! Gradi bought plenty of strikers over the summer months yet the words 'cow's arse' and 'banjo' come to mind. Their defence is also like a seive at the moment.
Norwich are value @ 2.60

what do you reckon to over 2.5 goals?

davidmphill · 08-12-2005, 17:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by aliando

what do you reckon to over 2.5 goals?

I reckon you can lay the 0-0 in this with no worries!

spreadman · 08-12-2005, 18:34

Stoke v Leicester, tomorrow evening is a televised match which I may trade in running, so any thoughts on this match are welcome.

I have the stats., but any 'insider' info?....David , Aliando, etc.

07-12-2005, 01:12	#2 (permalink)
kevshat God Punter Join Date: 06 Oct 2005 Location: Luton Age: 26 Posts: 7,723 Awards Showcase Total Awards: 3	Re: England > Championship - Dec 9-11 Luton's away form is nowhere near as bad as the results suggest. I can ensure you that one of these days someone is going to get a seriously good hiding in their own back yard from us. On the face of it our 3-0 defeat at Reading on Saturday looks like a sound beating but it was far from that. We were well in the game for the 1st 75 mins in fact we were even the better side for much of that and Reading have their keeper to thank for keeping them in it. Luckily for me we're on the box on Sunday so everyone can see for themselves how we play away from home. Southampton are nowhere near Reading's class and hopefully we can take advantage of the uncertainty down there on Sunday. 3.70 is a very big price on us. I'll report back later in the week with team news and stuff but that is my original thoughts.

07-12-2005, 03:19	#3 (permalink)
hayward2k Poker Entrepeneur Join Date: 28 Feb 2005 Posts: 636	Re: England > Championship - Dec 9-11 Southampton are nowhere near Reading's class Think your wrong there mate. Almost every team that has played Southampton in the Championship so far has said that Saints are the best team they have played. Southampton outclassed Reading throughout the game but they just don't have the killer instinct to finish anything off. Luton made a fantastic start to the season but have lost their last 5 games away. Throughout the season they have won 3 aways in 11 attempts. They are very strong at home granted. Southampton are this seasons draw specialists, drawing no less than 13 games this season, they can't buy 3 points. 6 of those draws have been at home. All of Southamptons Championship games shown live on Sky so far have ended as a draw. It's also worth noting that Luton are yet to draw away this season. But even with that last point considered i believe this is destined to be a draw. Bets - Southampton v Luton - Draw H/T-F/T Southampton/Draw Last edited by hayward2k; 07-12-2005 at 03:20.

07-12-2005, 16:11	#4 (permalink)
kevshat God Punter Join Date: 06 Oct 2005 Location: Luton Age: 26 Posts: 7,723 Awards Showcase Total Awards: 3	Re: England > Championship - Dec 9-11 Not at all mate. I've seen every team in this division live apart from Derby, Brighton, Watford and Ipswich and only Sheffield Utd have come close to being anywhere near Reading and with all respect you wouldn't think those 4 would be any different. Those 2 are in a different class to the other 22 in the league. The league table tells you that. Every side we've played this season says we are a good side, tough to beat blah blah blah. It's all talk, especially if they've not won the game. They are hardly going to come out and say "no Southampton are shit which doesn't say much for us if we couldn't beat them" are they? If Southampton were that good they wouldn't be languishing in 12th place in the league a full 25 points behind Reading having drawn 13 of 21. Ok losing only 3 all season is a good record but they'll get nowhere by drawing so many. Ask Wolves that. They would have been better off winning 5 and losing 8! As for Luton's away form, we've actually won 4 out of the 11 (Palace, Leicester, Hull and Cardiff) which on the face of it is only average but you can write off the Coventry, Sheff Utd, and Norwich games as we were decimated by injuries. We've also had a few hard luck stories too. A close to full strength side or as near to a full strength side as we've had recently were the better side for 75 mins against the league leaders on Saturday, we just weren't clinical enough. As I said before someone will get a good hiding soon because eventually we will start to take our chances and with a fully fit squad to choose from coupled with the strange goings on down on the South Coast these days it could well be Sunday and at 3.70 we are a good price to do so.

07-12-2005, 16:23	#5 (permalink)
hayward2k Poker Entrepeneur Join Date: 28 Feb 2005 Posts: 636	Re: England > Championship - Dec 9-11 If Southampton were that good they wouldn't be languishing in 12th place in the league a full 25 points behind Reading having drawn 13 of 21. Ok losing only 3 all season is a good record but they'll get nowhere by drawing so many. As i said in my original post, Southampton have all the qualities of a league winning side, they just don't have a striker that can finish. Every side we've played this season says we are a good side, tough to beat blah blah blah. It's all talk, especially if they've not won the game. Teams that have come away with 3 points from Southampton this year alla Leeds have all said they don't know how they did it. Saint's luck has to change sometime. you can write off the Coventry, Sheff Utd, and Norwich games as we were decimated by injuries. We've also had a few hard luck stories too. All teams have injury problems, Southampton as much as anyone. As a matter of fact it's been announced today that Michael Svennson will be out for 2 months having knee surgery. This will seriously affect Southamptons sturdy backline. Quashie, by far the best midfielder in the league is still banned. The backbone of the side really does run through Niemi, Svennson and Quashie. With two of them out Luton may have an outside chance. I still believe that it will be a draw and thats where my moneys going.

07-12-2005, 23:56	#8 (permalink)
bowles10 Trend Specialist Join Date: 07 Nov 2002 Location: Block NU, Loft Upper, W12 Age: 41 Posts: 15,908	Re: England > Championship - Dec 9-11 Soton have one of the best defensive records in the league to date but their inability to kill off teams & settle for yet another draw mean they are detined to be another Wolves, i'm afraid. A new Manager may help, not sure. They seem to rely on a 16yo to get their goals yet they sold Beattie & Crouch last year & copped the cash. QPR at Ipswich. yet another of our good away grounds. We went there last year & stole the points. Our record there reads 4-2-2 in last 8 meetings, not bad. At home it reads 3-3-3 so overall in 17 mtgs it reads 7-5-5 in our favour. We have a couple of players returning but are still well short of any quality if you ask me. Until we sort the manager out, we are destined for mid table at best. 4 pts from last 6 may mean we are starting a run, so stick with us for now to get a result from this fixture. __________________ www.tip4profit.com

08-12-2005, 10:19	#9 (permalink)
Djordje Professor Punter Join Date: 07 Nov 2004 Age: 33 Posts: 5,127	Re: England > Championship - Dec 9-11 Sheff Utd is bet of the round in my opinion. They had few blows lately and made 3 games winless streak, but after win over local rivals in last round I think they're ready to continue their fight for top of the table. Reading aleady made four points reserve and Blades won't lack motivation these days. Burnley won't be walkovers for them, but they had really awful record over there in last couple of seasons and I really don't see why they would make better result this time. Anything higher than 1.6 is worth maximum bet in my opinion. Milwall could make surprise at Coventry in my opinion. Coventry have decent record at home though, but Miwall seem to play better away from home this season. Reason for their better away record this season could be the pressure they have in home games. H2H stats point to away win. Priced offered for this match were probably expected, but I think they are wrong. Milwall can win this one, and after all away win wouldn't be such big surprise. Medium bet on Milwall. Hull vs Sheff Wed is one of those 'draw written all over it' games. Small stakes as this one can go either way. __________________ System-Bet

08-12-2005, 14:07	#10 (permalink)
bartonbank Legendary Punter Join Date: 06 Jul 2005 Location: A little part of Wrecsam in London Age: 50 Posts: 1,771	Re: England > Championship - Dec 9-11 Although Norwich have been a disappointment this season there is no hiding the fact that Crewe are dire, dire, dire! Gradi bought plenty of strikers over the summer months yet the words 'cow's arse' and 'banjo' come to mind. Their defence is also like a seive at the moment. Norwich are value @ 2.60

08-12-2005, 17:06	#11 (permalink)
davidmphill 260408 Join Date: 09 Feb 2005 Location: Colorado. Age: 36 Posts: 22,477 Awards Showcase Total Awards: 4	Re: England > Championship - Dec 9-11 Sheffield United v Burnley So Warnock stays. He wants to get promotion with his beloved Utd. If that’s to be the case then this is the kind on game he’ll have to win, a tough fixture against a work man like Burnley side. Utd won the Sheffield derby last week as expected 1-0 and have an outstanding home record to speak of, 9-2-0 with only 6 goals conceded. The H2H is massively in favour of the home side 5-0-0. Burnley have picked up really well of late with 5 wins in their last 7 games with a win at Luton and defeat at Leeds in those games. I think Burnley can beat sides of their own standing but will struggle to do so against the higher placed sides and with this in mind I’m fairly confident of a home win for the Blades. Sheffield United 7/10 @ 1.71 betfair __________________ Gwlad, gwlad, pleidiol wyf i'm gwlad, Tra mor yn fur i'r bur hoff bau, O bydded i'r heniaith barhau.

08-12-2005, 17:06	#12 (permalink)
davidmphill 260408 Join Date: 09 Feb 2005 Location: Colorado. Age: 36 Posts: 22,477 Awards Showcase Total Awards: 4	Re: England > Championship - Dec 9-11 Reading v Brighton Reading still unbeaten since their first game of the season will be looking to remain at the top of the table when lowly Brighton pays them a visit. Brighton have found it hard to win games recording just the 2 so far, they’ve drawn a staggering 10 games of which 8 of those have been on the road and their only win came at the hands of their deadly rivals Palace. Reading are on a run of 6 straight wins home and away and keeping things tight with only 2 goals let in their last 6 games. Reading -1 6/10 @ 2.2 bet365 __________________ Gwlad, gwlad, pleidiol wyf i'm gwlad, Tra mor yn fur i'r bur hoff bau, O bydded i'r heniaith barhau.

08-12-2005, 18:34	#15 (permalink)
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