UEFA Cup 6th December - The Punters Lounge

kojic2003 · 05-12-2007, 15:34

Uefa Cup preview: Crvena Zvezda – Bolton (Source: Goal.com)

Premier League strugglers Bolton Wanderers travel to Serbia to take on Crvena Zvezda on Matchday 4 of Uefa Cup Group F.

Defeat Not An Option For Bolton

This is Bolton’s final Group F match, and they know that qualification will almost certainly swing on the result of Thursday’s game in Belgrade.

In Europe it’s often a case of a club’s home form and away form differing hugely. What’s unusual for Bolton thus far is that it is away from the Reebok stadium that their greatest Uefa Cup feat was achieved.

1-1 draws at home to Braga and Aris are hardly the stuff of legend, but the Trotters’ 2-2 draw in Munich against the mighty Bayern was rightly heralded as the greatest European night in their history.

While another draw – putting Wanderers on 4 points – might be enough to make the knock-out stages, defeat in Serbia would certainly see Gary Megson’s side crash out.

Munich’s Allianz Arena may have been intimidating due to the stature of the opposition, but the Trotters will face true hostility at Stadion Crvena Zvezda on Thursday night.

If Bolton want to remain in the Uefa Cup, replicating the performance that saw them hammered 4-0 at the weekend by Liverpool is not an option.

Crvena Zvezda In Need Of A Win

Crvena Zvezda (better known internationally as Red Star Belgrade) are not the European heavyweights that they once were, but Aleksandar Janković’s side remain a team nobody relishes facing.

Two games into their Group F campaign, the 1991 European Champions have yet to pick up a single point. A last gasp goal from youngster Toni Kroos saw Bayern sneak all three points in an entertaining 3-2 win at the Stadion Crvena Zvezda on Matchday 1.

If the Serbians were unlucky then, they were spineless on Matchday 2. Slumping to a 3-0 defeat away to Aris, coach Milorad Kosanović tendered his resignation.

With two group games remaining, the Serbian champions still harbour hopes of progressing to the knock-out stages, but a defeat at home to Bolton on Thursday is not an option. The omens are good, however – in seven games they’ve yet to lose to an English side on home soil.

PLAYERS TO WATCH

Crvena Zvezda – João Lucas

The Portuguese surprised many by opting to leave Boavista for Serbia in the summer. The midfielder has attracted attention from the likes of Benfica, Tottenham and Sevilla in the past, and his aggressive nature will be important against this physical Bolton side.

Bolton – Nicolas Anelka

Bolton will almost certainly need a goal to get anything from this game, and recent results show there’s only one man they can rely on. Wanderers have only scored 20 goals in all competitions this season, with the Frenchman coming up with eight of them. Megson’s side will look to utilise Anelka’s pace on the counter attack.

PREDICTION

Bolton are low on confidence, and while Crvena Zvezda are still finding their feet under new coach Janković, home advantage should see them prevail.

Crvena Zvezda 2-1 Bolton Wanderers

Last match starting lineup( http://www.crvenazvezdafk.com/en/index.aspx ):

Red Star: Randjelovic – Basta, Djordjevic, Tutoric, Bronowicki – Segundo Castillo, Milijas – Molina (61’ Milovanovic), Burzanovic, Koroman – Jestrovic (68’ Betoligar)

A number of regular players, like Lucas, Gueye, Andjelkovic,…,have missed the last league match!The new addition to the squad is powerful African player Misdongard Betoligar who was also linking with French sides PSG and FC Lille!Red Star are also boosted by the return of captain Dejan Milovanovic who missed both opening UEFA Cup matches.He’s in good form at the moment, with two cracking goals in the last three matches!Forward Nenad Jestrovic(4 goals in last 3 matches) is also getting better under new coach Jankovic!

The likes of Segundo Castillo and Lucas are a very aggressive players who’re making lots of pressure in the middle of the park, so I guess we’re gonna see a big battle in this clash!

The match will be broadcasted live on DSF!

kojic2003 · 05-12-2007, 17:26

Bolton Wanderers News:

Bolton manager Gary Megson has left six key players at home for Thursday's Uefa Cup match against Red Star Belgrade. Nicolas Anelka, Kevin Davies, Kevin Nolan, Andy O'Brien, Ricardo Gardner and Jussi Jaaskelainen did not travel with the rest of the squad.
Ivan Campo will sit out the match as he was not registered in time.

http://www.b92.net/sport/komentari.php?nav_id=275239

http://www.b92.net/sport/fudbal/vest...&nav_id=275239

The Bayern Munchen game wasn't sold out, so this one is also unlikely, but there should be around 40'000 fans!

JCtips · 05-12-2007, 23:43

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Originally Posted by kojic2003

Bolton Wanderers News:

Bolton manager Gary Megson has left six key players at home for Thursday's Uefa Cup match against Red Star Belgrade. Nicolas Anelka, Kevin Davies, Kevin Nolan, Andy O'Brien, Ricardo Gardner and Jussi Jaaskelainen did not travel with the rest of the squad.
Ivan Campo will sit out the match as he was not registered in time.

http://www.b92.net/sport/komentari.php?nav_id=275239

http://www.b92.net/sport/fudbal/vest...&nav_id=275239

The Bayern Munchen game wasn't sold out, so this one is also unlikely, but there should be around 40'000 fans!

Nice write up Kojic, thanks.

When a Manager cannot use one player and still leaves out another six 1st team regulars, I guess he's really sending a message...

...Lucas is indeed an interesting player who strangely enough never made it to one of the Big Clubs in Portugal (even though he played for one of the best teams in the country, Boavista but still not a top 3 club). Maybe now, playing abroad, he starts drawing more attention (which sometimes happens...)...

Good luck!

JC

JCtips · 06-12-2007, 00:01

My picks for tomorrow in the UEFA Cup:

Bordeaux-Helsinborg
The French are doing well in the home league while Helsinborg finished middle of the table in their league which was over in late October (this should affect them).
Both Bordeaux and Helsinborg have 7 overs in their last 10 games.
My pick: >2.5;

Aris-Braga
Aris are 5th in the Greek league with a 2-2-1 record, scoring 5 goals and allowing 3 so far.
In the UEFA Cup they beat Red Star 3-0 at home in early November and tied away to Bolton recently.
Braga has improved a bit under new coach Manuel Machado with 2 wins (3-0 against Sporting and 2-1 last weekend over Maritimo) and 2 draws (at home against Bayern and away to Leiria).
Braga has a quality roster, they can play with 11 quality players and still have a few on the bench ready to come in if needed (which some teams don't and this sometimes makes a difference).
After drawing away to Bolton and at home to Bayern, Braga needs at least a point from this game. It should be very difficult but I think they can do it.
My pick: away +0.5AH (Asian Handicap)

Red Star-Bolton
Red Star doesn't seem to have any important missings and have a 5-3-2 record in their last 10 games overall.
Bolton will miss seven 1st team regulars (6 of which the manager decided to rest...) and has only one win in their last 10 games (at home against Man. United).
Red Star will try to get their first 3 points here in order to keep their hopes of qualifying o the next stage alive while Bolton doesn't seem to care much about this game.
My pick: home 0/-0.5AH;

Good luck!

JC

kojic2003 · 06-12-2007, 00:38

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Originally Posted by JCtips

Maybe now, playing abroad, he starts drawing more attention (which sometimes happens...)...

Well, Lucas was certainly one of the best Red Star players this season, alongside Koroman and maybe Milijas and Mauricio Molina(some very impressive stuffs by him), so I have no doubts he'll make a good transfer at the end!

If there's anything positive at Red Star nowadays, then it has to be a transfer politic

as most of the players always make moves to a good european clubs!Even now, Ecuador star Segundo Castillo, according to some sources, has already signed a four-year contract with Juventus and will join them in the summer!Milovanovic was heavily linked with Valencia, but Red Star turned the offer down this summer after a huge sale over the past 12 months!

SydCityKid · 06-12-2007, 07:09

The only bet i like today is BAYER LEVERKUSEN hd2hd @ 1.50. BL have been in very good winning form and SPARTA away always have some troubles. MY TIP: BAYER LEVERKUSEN HD2HD@ 1.50

atothek · 06-12-2007, 09:15

I'm thinking about laying Milovanovic to score at any time of the match, low stakes but odds of 5 are worth it imo.

Baki · 06-12-2007, 09:41

During the Bolton's trainning in Belgrade,it's been a fight between Gary Speed and Abdoulaye Meite.After Speed started careless, first was verbal,than Speed kick Meite,Meite try to hit back with a fist,but other players stopped them.Few minutes later,trainning continued.

Danby · 06-12-2007, 10:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by Baki

During the Bolton's trainning in Belgrade,it's been a fight between Gary Speed and Abdoulaye Meite.After Speed started careless, first was verbal,than Speed kick Meite,Meite try to hit back with a fist,but other players stopped them.Few minutes later,trainning continued.

What is your source for this information Baki ?

SydCityKid · 06-12-2007, 10:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by Baki

During the Bolton's trainning in Belgrade,it's been a fight between Gary Speed and Abdoulaye Meite.After Speed started careless, first was verbal,than Speed kick Meite,Meite try to hit back with a fist,but other players stopped them.Few minutes later,trainning continued.

WERE DID U GET THIS NEWS FROM?

Baki · 06-12-2007, 10:18

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Originally Posted by Danby

What is your source for this information Baki ?

Official Crvena Zvezda site:
http://www.crvenazvezdafk.com/cyr/ve...st.aspx?id=136,but I believe you could'n read this,it's cyrlilic,but trust me.

makk · 06-12-2007, 10:19

Spartak Moscow-FC Zurich = home win

The weather condition will be very hard. Also they will play on artificial pitch. Most of the Moscow team are Russian and will be hungry for success after their qualification for the Euro. Pavlyuchenko who scored 2 goals against England in his last game here.

Straight win : Spartak

Unbelievable · 06-12-2007, 11:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by JCtips

Nice write up Kojic, thanks.

When a Manager cannot use one player and still leaves out another six 1st team regulars, I guess he's really sending a message...

...Lucas is indeed an interesting player who strangely enough never made it to one of the Big Clubs in Portugal (even though he played for one of the best teams in the country, Boavista but still not a top 3 club). Maybe now, playing abroad, he starts drawing more attention (which sometimes happens...)...

Good luck!

JC

The last time Bolton send out a lot of fringe players, they managed to score 2 against Bayern Munich while playing away and draw that match

nicko · 06-12-2007, 11:32

Bordeaux - Helsingborg
Over 2,5 goals with 5/10 at 1,85. Two more or less relaxed teams in this group with the French side strangely leaking far too many goals this year and the Swedes scoring for fun. Smaller stakes than yesterday as I was wrong in 4 out of 5 picks with Overs.
Also consider a small draw combo with Aris, Anderlecht, Aalborg and Austria in it with any 2,3 and 4 in it, no reasoning yet, just a feeling at least 3 of these will come out. Very small stakes though, 0.5/10 per line.
An acca of home wins in Moscow,Leverkusen and Bordeaux at 3,73 also looks good to me, the home advantage should be good enough, stake 3/10.
A single Crvena Zvezda to beat Bolton with 4/10 at 2,20. Not much to add here,Kojic 2003 said it all. Zvezda and Serbia let me down far too many times recently, but I simply trust his pick, the guy is very good.
Staked exactly what my profit from yesterday was, do not feel very confident today.
Good luck everyone.

thebambers · 06-12-2007, 11:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by Unbelievable

The last time Bolton send out a lot of fringe players, they managed to score 2 against Bayern Munich while playing away and draw that match

I think perhaps Munich underestimated Bolton more than anything and took Ribery off who was having a great game when they went 2-1 up. I don't believe Megson will be that interested in the UEFA cup as lets face it they have no chance of winning it so why risk injury and tiredness when there are important league games to come. The fact he has left those particular players at home speaks volumes to me. Can see the atmostphre at RS being very hostile - I certainly hope so as I have backed the home team

Baki · 06-12-2007, 11:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by nicko

Zvezda and Serbia let me down far too many times recently

No more,please

,kojic2003 and me are both Zvezda's funs,they let us down too meny times,but it looks like Bolton is comming like they don't care whats gonna happend.I never gamble on Zvezda,almost,but now odds look very nice,I took 2.45 in local.
@Unbelievable,maybe kojic2003 push a little hard with "sending a message",but,don't you think that are bigger chances to win against second than against first team ?
For the information about the fight,kojic2003 can read cyrilic,he can confirm it.

kojic2003 · 06-12-2007, 12:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by Baki

For the information about the fight,kojic2003 can read cyrilic,he can confirm it.

Yes, it's true...

Probable lineups:

Red Star Belgrade: Randjelovic – Basta, Tutoric, Bajalica, Bronowicki (Andjelkovic) – Lucas, Milovanovic(cap) – Koroman, Milijas, Molina – Jestrovic

Bolton Wanderers: Al Habsi – Hunt, Michalik, Meite, Cid – Giannakopoulos, Guthrie, McCann, Speed – Wilhelmsson - Diouf

SydCityKid · 06-12-2007, 12:43

Lay Bolton Like Theres No 2morrow Then!

ScottishBhoy87 · 06-12-2007, 12:47

Thursday 6 December 2007
	Home	Draw	Away	BPP
Bayer Leverkusen v Sparta Praha (17:15 GMT)	1.50	4.70	8.80	100%
Spartak Moscow v Zürich (17:15 GMT)	1.78	3.80	5.90	100%
AaB v Getafe (19:45 GMT)	3.50	3.50	2.37	100%
Anderlecht v Tottenham (19:45 GMT)	3.30	3.45	2.43	101%
Aris Thessaloniki v Braga (19:45 GMT)	2.46	3.35	3.40	100%

05-12-2007, 15:34	#1 (permalink)
kojic2003 God Punter Join Date: 27 Oct 2004 Posts: 2,253	UEFA Cup 6th December Uefa Cup preview: Crvena Zvezda – Bolton (Source: Goal.com) Premier League strugglers Bolton Wanderers travel to Serbia to take on Crvena Zvezda on Matchday 4 of Uefa Cup Group F. Defeat Not An Option For Bolton This is Bolton’s final Group F match, and they know that qualification will almost certainly swing on the result of Thursday’s game in Belgrade. In Europe it’s often a case of a club’s home form and away form differing hugely. What’s unusual for Bolton thus far is that it is away from the Reebok stadium that their greatest Uefa Cup feat was achieved. 1-1 draws at home to Braga and Aris are hardly the stuff of legend, but the Trotters’ 2-2 draw in Munich against the mighty Bayern was rightly heralded as the greatest European night in their history. While another draw – putting Wanderers on 4 points – might be enough to make the knock-out stages, defeat in Serbia would certainly see Gary Megson’s side crash out. Munich’s Allianz Arena may have been intimidating due to the stature of the opposition, but the Trotters will face true hostility at Stadion Crvena Zvezda on Thursday night. If Bolton want to remain in the Uefa Cup, replicating the performance that saw them hammered 4-0 at the weekend by Liverpool is not an option. Crvena Zvezda In Need Of A Win Crvena Zvezda (better known internationally as Red Star Belgrade) are not the European heavyweights that they once were, but Aleksandar Janković’s side remain a team nobody relishes facing. Two games into their Group F campaign, the 1991 European Champions have yet to pick up a single point. A last gasp goal from youngster Toni Kroos saw Bayern sneak all three points in an entertaining 3-2 win at the Stadion Crvena Zvezda on Matchday 1. If the Serbians were unlucky then, they were spineless on Matchday 2. Slumping to a 3-0 defeat away to Aris, coach Milorad Kosanović tendered his resignation. With two group games remaining, the Serbian champions still harbour hopes of progressing to the knock-out stages, but a defeat at home to Bolton on Thursday is not an option. The omens are good, however – in seven games they’ve yet to lose to an English side on home soil. PLAYERS TO WATCH Crvena Zvezda – João Lucas The Portuguese surprised many by opting to leave Boavista for Serbia in the summer. The midfielder has attracted attention from the likes of Benfica, Tottenham and Sevilla in the past, and his aggressive nature will be important against this physical Bolton side. Bolton – Nicolas Anelka Bolton will almost certainly need a goal to get anything from this game, and recent results show there’s only one man they can rely on. Wanderers have only scored 20 goals in all competitions this season, with the Frenchman coming up with eight of them. Megson’s side will look to utilise Anelka’s pace on the counter attack. PREDICTION Bolton are low on confidence, and while Crvena Zvezda are still finding their feet under new coach Janković, home advantage should see them prevail. Crvena Zvezda 2-1 Bolton Wanderers Last match starting lineup( http://www.crvenazvezdafk.com/en/index.aspx ): Red Star: Randjelovic – Basta, Djordjevic, Tutoric, Bronowicki – Segundo Castillo, Milijas – Molina (61’ Milovanovic), Burzanovic, Koroman – Jestrovic (68’ Betoligar) A number of regular players, like Lucas, Gueye, Andjelkovic,…,have missed the last league match!The new addition to the squad is powerful African player Misdongard Betoligar who was also linking with French sides PSG and FC Lille!Red Star are also boosted by the return of captain Dejan Milovanovic who missed both opening UEFA Cup matches.He’s in good form at the moment, with two cracking goals in the last three matches!Forward Nenad Jestrovic(4 goals in last 3 matches) is also getting better under new coach Jankovic! The likes of Segundo Castillo and Lucas are a very aggressive players who’re making lots of pressure in the middle of the park, so I guess we’re gonna see a big battle in this clash! The match will be broadcasted live on DSF! Last edited by kojic2003; 05-12-2007 at 15:39.

05-12-2007, 17:26	#2 (permalink)
kojic2003 God Punter Join Date: 27 Oct 2004 Posts: 2,253	Re: UEFA Cup 6th December Bolton Wanderers News: Bolton manager Gary Megson has left six key players at home for Thursday's Uefa Cup match against Red Star Belgrade. Nicolas Anelka, Kevin Davies, Kevin Nolan, Andy O'Brien, Ricardo Gardner and Jussi Jaaskelainen did not travel with the rest of the squad. Ivan Campo will sit out the match as he was not registered in time. http://www.b92.net/sport/komentari.php?nav_id=275239 http://www.b92.net/sport/fudbal/vest...&nav_id=275239 The Bayern Munchen game wasn't sold out, so this one is also unlikely, but there should be around 40'000 fans!

06-12-2007, 00:01	#4 (permalink)
JCtips Shrewdie Punter Join Date: 17 Sep 2007 Location: Portugal Age: 41 Posts: 942 Awards Showcase Total Awards: 1	Re: UEFA Cup 6th December My picks for tomorrow in the UEFA Cup: Bordeaux-Helsinborg The French are doing well in the home league while Helsinborg finished middle of the table in their league which was over in late October (this should affect them). Both Bordeaux and Helsinborg have 7 overs in their last 10 games. My pick: >2.5; Aris-Braga Aris are 5th in the Greek league with a 2-2-1 record, scoring 5 goals and allowing 3 so far. In the UEFA Cup they beat Red Star 3-0 at home in early November and tied away to Bolton recently. Braga has improved a bit under new coach Manuel Machado with 2 wins (3-0 against Sporting and 2-1 last weekend over Maritimo) and 2 draws (at home against Bayern and away to Leiria). Braga has a quality roster, they can play with 11 quality players and still have a few on the bench ready to come in if needed (which some teams don't and this sometimes makes a difference). After drawing away to Bolton and at home to Bayern, Braga needs at least a point from this game. It should be very difficult but I think they can do it. My pick: away +0.5AH (Asian Handicap) Red Star-Bolton Red Star doesn't seem to have any important missings and have a 5-3-2 record in their last 10 games overall. Bolton will miss seven 1st team regulars (6 of which the manager decided to rest...) and has only one win in their last 10 games (at home against Man. United). Red Star will try to get their first 3 points here in order to keep their hopes of qualifying o the next stage alive while Bolton doesn't seem to care much about this game. My pick: home 0/-0.5AH; Good luck! JC __________________ www.jctips.com Over-prepare! Luck is basically an opportunity you take advantage of when you are prepared.

06-12-2007, 07:09	#6 (permalink)
SydCityKid Banned Join Date: 18 Jan 2007 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 320	Re: UEFA Cup 6th December The only bet i like today is BAYER LEVERKUSEN hd2hd @ 1.50. BL have been in very good winning form and SPARTA away always have some troubles. MY TIP: BAYER LEVERKUSEN HD2HD@ 1.50 Last edited by SydCityKid; 06-12-2007 at 09:02.

06-12-2007, 09:15	#7 (permalink)
atothek Senior Punter Join Date: 28 Sep 2006 Posts: 118	Re: UEFA Cup 6th December I'm thinking about laying Milovanovic to score at any time of the match, low stakes but odds of 5 are worth it imo.

06-12-2007, 09:41	#8 (permalink)
Baki Newbie Punter Join Date: 04 Mar 2006 Posts: 12	Re: UEFA Cup 6th December During the Bolton's trainning in Belgrade,it's been a fight between Gary Speed and Abdoulaye Meite.After Speed started careless, first was verbal,than Speed kick Meite,Meite try to hit back with a fist,but other players stopped them.Few minutes later,trainning continued.

06-12-2007, 10:19	#12 (permalink)
makk Junior Punter Join Date: 30 Oct 2004 Posts: 66	Re: UEFA Cup 6th December Spartak Moscow-FC Zurich = home win The weather condition will be very hard. Also they will play on artificial pitch. Most of the Moscow team are Russian and will be hungry for success after their qualification for the Euro. Pavlyuchenko who scored 2 goals against England in his last game here. Straight win : Spartak

06-12-2007, 11:32	#14 (permalink)
nicko Legendary Punter Join Date: 22 Oct 2007 Posts: 1,282	Re: UEFA Cup 6th December Bordeaux - Helsingborg Over 2,5 goals with 5/10 at 1,85. Two more or less relaxed teams in this group with the French side strangely leaking far too many goals this year and the Swedes scoring for fun. Smaller stakes than yesterday as I was wrong in 4 out of 5 picks with Overs. Also consider a small draw combo with Aris, Anderlecht, Aalborg and Austria in it with any 2,3 and 4 in it, no reasoning yet, just a feeling at least 3 of these will come out. Very small stakes though, 0.5/10 per line. An acca of home wins in Moscow,Leverkusen and Bordeaux at 3,73 also looks good to me, the home advantage should be good enough, stake 3/10. A single Crvena Zvezda to beat Bolton with 4/10 at 2,20. Not much to add here,Kojic 2003 said it all. Zvezda and Serbia let me down far too many times recently, but I simply trust his pick, the guy is very good. Staked exactly what my profit from yesterday was, do not feel very confident today. Good luck everyone. Last edited by nicko; 06-12-2007 at 11:33.

06-12-2007, 12:43	#18 (permalink)
SydCityKid Banned Join Date: 18 Jan 2007 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 320	Re: UEFA Cup 6th December Lay Bolton Like Theres No 2morrow Then!