UEFA Cup 5th December - The Punters Lounge

Football-Tipper · 05-12-2007, 09:18

Wednesday 5 December 2007
	Home	Draw	Away	BPP
Basel v Brann (19:45 GMT)	1.59	4.30	7.00	101%
Dinamo Zagreb v Hamburger SV (19:45 GMT)	2.70	3.35	3.00	101%
Everton v Zenit (19:45 GMT)	1.86	3.65	5.20	101%
FCK v Atlético (19:45 GMT)	3.55	3.35	2.36	101%
Mladá Boleslav v AEK Athens (19:45 GMT)	2.92	3.40	2.78	100%
Nürnberg v AZ Alkmaar (19:45 GMT)	2.37	3.40	3.45	101%
Panathinaikos v Lokomotiv M (19:45 GMT)	2.12	3.30	4.33	101%
Villarreal v Elfsborg (19:45 GMT)	1.22	7.80	17.50	101%

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Bazza23 · 05-12-2007, 09:43

Nurnberg-AZ
Value on Nurnberg as AZ's defence and attack are both not going great ATM.Also Nurnberg has to win tonight.I think Nurnberg will go full force since they are german.

Football-Tipper · 05-12-2007, 09:57

Two bets for me tonight.

Everton to beat Zenit @ 5/6 Laddys
Nurnberg v AZ over 2.5 @ 2.04 betfair

Everton look a good outfit at home and the 5/6 looks good value, awaiting fitnees reports on Howard and Yobo but should have a little too much for Zenit

Nurnberg are woefull at home in Germany and an AZ win will see them through to the next stage expect an all out attaking display from both teams...

nicko · 05-12-2007, 10:21

I see Overs everywhere today, must be that most games are important,(and my third eye

). Need to shorten this list to max 3.............Basel and Brann will both go for the win by nature and because if Dinamo get a point or 3 from HSV today and away to Rennes who are obviously not bothered, one of these two is out. If only Dinamo start converting 30% of the chances they create every game HSV will experience different mood, but certainly they can also score. Everton looks like a home win, but Zenith have 3 excellent forwards, who, despite the hangover from last Friday can always score. Everton let goals to far weaker teams in Europe. More careful approach for a start in Copenhagen, who are solid in defence, facing one of the best attacking team fron Spain. A draw here is an option, surely if Pao is winning convincigly vs Lokomotiv by HT both teams might slow down. Good game to follow on the in-play, out of my Overs list. PAO vs Lokomotiv imo will also start slow, Greeks carefully waiting for a good chance, which should be there as the Russians will go for all or nothing. Lokomotiv is in turmoil as of the manager's change, losing at home to FCK clearly showed they are out of practice, will follow on the in-play. As of Nurnberg-AZ agree with the reasoning above. Mlada Boleslav is a tricky one, Czecks won convincigly in Sweden but in the last game they are away to Fiore and they are out to win. So is AEK, as their last game is home to Villareal. Open game expected, slightly in favour of guests.
So, Overs in Basel, Mlada Boleslav,Zagreb, Nurnberg, Everton and Villareal atm look good. Odds are respectively 1,70,2,25,2,20,1,90,2,10 and 1,50 at bet365. Will skip the Villareal at these odds, five games left and I will start digging further into comments, stats and team news.
Good luck everyone.

blackcrow · 05-12-2007, 10:58

Everton over 2.5
Both teams have shown their willingness to attack and score goals so far in this cup competition and will be looking to win here to ensure they progress to the next round. Everton have a few doubtful starters like Howard in goal as well as Yobo in defence. Could be some goals in this game.

Panathinaikos
Panathinaikos have won their first 2 group games and will look to win this game to ensure they finish first in their group and get an easier draw in the next stage. While Lokomotivo need to win to get themselves a chance of progressing they haven't got the quality that the Greeks possess

Mlada Boleslav over 2.5
Both teams have scored and conceded in each if their 2 games so far in this competition. Both teams need this win to progress into the next round so it should be an open game.

Villareal -1 (EH)
Massive class difference between these two sides. Elfsborg have looked out of their depth after losing the last two games 3-1 and 6-1 and now meet probably the best team in the group who need to win to ensure their place in the next round

Dinamo Zagreb over 2.5
Dinamo are unlucky to be in this position where they must win this game as they have dominated their last 2 games but have missed a host of chances. Now at home in front of a huge crowd they realise that they will have to put their chances away if they wish to progress. Yet they have had problems in defence and Hamburg should be able to exploit these mistakes the Dinamo defence regularly makes.

Basel under 2.5
Both teams are on 4 points and would be happy with a point in this game to pretty much ensure theri progress into the next round. Basee haven't lost a match in any competition since August 19 and are unbeaten in their last 12 European home ties. Brann are undefeated in their past six European away games. Both Basel games have gone under while Brann have gone under in 2 of their 3 games

torres09 · 05-12-2007, 10:59

since everibody is putting over tonight. i shall go against the flow. =p

Roskos · 05-12-2007, 11:01

I see a value in price of 3.50 for DRAW in game between Everton and Zenit. Away team will try to take at least a point in tonight game /their last game in group stage/ to secure a place in next stage in this tournament. They have an experience coach, who can set them in right way to achieve a success. According to what I have read, there are not important missing for them.

On other side Everton performed well in UEFA Cup and they can go through to next stage by earning a point in tonigh clash. They will want to do what is need to make it, before they go to AZ Alkmar in last day of this group. There will be changes in Everton's defence, if Howard and Yobo are not recover in time from injuries, as Phil Jagielka may play in defence and Stefan Wessels will deputize as a goalkeeper. But I feel confedent that it will not make them waker, as Wessels already started twice for Everton, conceded once against Man Untd and made a clean sheet against Aston Villa. Everton have weapons to prevent a loss as Arteta, Cahill, Johnson and Yakubu are all available for tonight clash.

(buy the way I remember Wessels' debut for Bayern in CL game against Rangers, where he made many tremedous saves, even that he was only 17 years old. If I'm not wrong he actually didn't have a profesional contract with them at that time)

Everton vs Zenit @ DRAW 3.50 at general, 5/10

nicko · 05-12-2007, 11:25

@ blackcrow Basel under 2.5
Both teams are on 4 points and would be happy with a point in this game to pretty much ensure theri progress into the next round. Basee haven't lost a match in any competition since August 19 and are unbeaten in their last 12 European home ties. Brann are undefeated in their past six European away games. Both Basel games have gone under while Brann have gone under in 2 of their 3 games[/quote]
I see we only disagree on the Basel game. My reasons for attacking open play here and both teams to win are in Zagreb. Dinamo has 2 more games and if today they get a point they will have to beat Rennes away, which is highly possible. Then Dinamo will be with 5 point too, if in Basel today game ends in a draw. So will have Brann ,today is their last game, so will have Basel with a game to play away to HSV. Very tricky, as their goal difference might get eaten up in Hamburg in a fair game. I also think that the odds on Brann to win are way too high.....Not to mention that a Dimamo win today will certainly mean that either Basel or Brann is out, as the Croats could then settle with a point in France.
Good luck

Maca · 05-12-2007, 12:17

Brann has arrived without 5 players...among them Bakke and El Fakiri, Basel with full squad, so i can see an easy home win..

gl

JCtips · 05-12-2007, 13:55

My picks for today in the UEFA Cup:

Everton-Zenith
Too much of a difference IMO between the clubs, Everton are in very good form with 4 wins and 2 draws in their last 6 games and should take this one to secure qualification and most likely 1st place in the group.
My pick: home win;

Panathinaikos-L. Moskow
I know the Greek team coach, Portuguese José Peseiro, as well as some of the players very well and IMO they're a better side than the Russians and are also in good form with 4 wins and 2 draws in their last 6 games.
Plus, playing in Greece is always hard for the away teams because of the athmosphere.
My pick: home win;

Villareal-Elfsborg
Villareal is a good team and is doing well both in the Spanish League and the UEFA Cup. They're also in good form with 4 wins, 1 draw and 1 loss in their last 6 games.
Elfsborg home league season is now over since late October and I think that also affects the team. Regardless of that, they sit at the bottom of the group with only 1 point, 3 goals scored and 10 conceded.
My pick: home -2AH (Asian Handicap);

Copenhagen-A. Madrid
The Danish are a decent team and usually very difficult to beat at home (they didn't lose a single game at home last season in the Champions League and even won against Man. United) and have some quality players upfront.
Atletico has many great players but IMO they continue to fail to demonstrate value as a team.
They're doing OK in the Spanish League and the UEFA Cup, are usually a good team at home but seem to struggle away from home.
I think both teams will be pleased with a draw tonight and that's very likely to happen.
My pick: draw;

Zagreb-Hamburg
Hamburg in great form this season, doing very well in the Bundesliga and in very good form with 8 wins in their last 10 games.
Zagreb is also in very good form with 7 wins in their last 10 games but their league is not nearly as competitive as the German one.
I see good value in taking Hamburg 0AH (Asian Handicap) at 2.12...
My pick: away 0 AH;

Good luck!

JC

adam7982 · 05-12-2007, 14:22

Anyone fancy AEK tonight?

zigoto · 05-12-2007, 14:31

17 won - 2 void - 20 lost

Profit: +3,75 units

-------------------------------------------------------------------

Utah let us down yesterday, so lets see in what we can win some money today...

Dinamo Zagreb vs Hamburg ---> 1 unit in over 2,5 at 2,16 at Betfair
Kobenhawn vs Atl. Madrid ---> 1 unit in over 2,5 at 2,34 at Betfair
Nurnberg vs AZ Alkmaar ---> 1 unit in over 2,5 at 2,04 at Betfair

All games between teams that can both win the game and can both score. Also most of them attack far better than they defend and most of them need to get a good result...
Its overs day...

Good luck

frankcastle · 05-12-2007, 14:32

Hello everyone.

A couple of you guys mentioned about going with the Over. Keep in mind that the Uefa cup is usually not condusive to Overs in the first group stage.

That's not to say that several of these games will not go Over 2.5, but many of these teams have important league matches and if they can get a goal or two against their opponent, chances are they'll hold back (whether they're already through or are looking for a chance to qualify)

I'm not very keen on placing any serious wagers tonight but best of luck to all ;-)

frankcastle · 05-12-2007, 15:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by adam7982

Anyone fancy AEK tonight?

AEK's priority this year is to go after the Greek league title. They want it desperately. This, of course, doesn't mean they won't accept a qualification to the next round of Uefa cup play with open arms. After all, Rivaldo and Lymperopoulos will be called upon to offer their services.

AEK has been shaky as of late but last weekend's win against Aris in Salonica definitely gives AEK a boost.

For this game, if you're bent on betting on it, I would suggest watching the first few minutes on TV (if you can get coverage) and placing your bet live. AEK has a tendency to show from the first few minutes whether they're really up for the challenge or whether they'll be giving a flat performance.

allthethings · 05-12-2007, 15:50

Quote:

Basel and Brann will both go for the win by nature

Basel just killed me in earlier rounds...and so did Brann. Not sure what is going on with these two but in their league games they are overs teams, here they are playing a very different game. Basel seems to be very cautious, Brann with their season a month gone have slowed down the tempo considerably. Until they prove that they will attack again I'd stay away from this one. Loko and Madrid on the other hand looking good for overs.

Good luck

christo85efc · 05-12-2007, 16:35

Tremendous value on Everton if u ask me.

We have looked very impressive in the last 8 matches, especially at home, the crowd are really behind the team at the moment, and provide an electric atmosphere in Goodison. I believe Moyes might go 4-4-2 tonight with Johnson coming into the team, infact the big Yak might be rested, with cahill again supporting. A win sees Everton top the group and go through in style with 3 out of 3, putting less pressure on the away trip to AZ. We are really playing some good stuff at the moment, and i wouldnt be at all surprised to see goals tonight. I am very confident about our chances.

Everton home win 10/10

Arteta ATS @ 3.75

American Locksmith · 05-12-2007, 19:29

THIS EVERTON GAME IS FIXED!!! Zeit defender saves a gol with his stomach and Everton given penalty and sent off!? this ref should be suspended and should be forced to find another way to feed his kids and if he cant than that is good for him. S%IT

numnut · 05-12-2007, 19:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by American Locksmith XXX

THIS EVERTON GAME IS FIXED!!! Zeit defender saves a gol with his stomach and Everton given penalty and sent off!? this ref should be suspended and should be forced to find another way to feed his kids and if he cant than that is good for him. S%IT

But Art

05-12-2007, 09:43	#2 (permalink)
Bazza23 AFCA Can't Be Stopped Join Date: 22 Jun 2006 Age: 23 Posts: 183	Re: UEFA Cup 5th December Nurnberg-AZ Value on Nurnberg as AZ's defence and attack are both not going great ATM.Also Nurnberg has to win tonight.I think Nurnberg will go full force since they are german. __________________ Premier League Champions 2006/2007

05-12-2007, 09:57	#3 (permalink)
Football-Tipper God Punter Join Date: 06 Oct 2005 Age: 35 Posts: 6,530	Re: UEFA Cup 5th December Two bets for me tonight. Everton to beat Zenit @ 5/6 Laddys Nurnberg v AZ over 2.5 @ 2.04 betfair Everton look a good outfit at home and the 5/6 looks good value, awaiting fitnees reports on Howard and Yobo but should have a little too much for Zenit Nurnberg are woefull at home in Germany and an AZ win will see them through to the next stage expect an all out attaking display from both teams...

05-12-2007, 10:21	#4 (permalink)
nicko Legendary Punter Join Date: 22 Oct 2007 Posts: 1,011	Re: UEFA Cup 5th December I see Overs everywhere today, must be that most games are important,(and my third eye). Need to shorten this list to max 3.............Basel and Brann will both go for the win by nature and because if Dinamo get a point or 3 from HSV today and away to Rennes who are obviously not bothered, one of these two is out. If only Dinamo start converting 30% of the chances they create every game HSV will experience different mood, but certainly they can also score. Everton looks like a home win, but Zenith have 3 excellent forwards, who, despite the hangover from last Friday can always score. Everton let goals to far weaker teams in Europe. More careful approach for a start in Copenhagen, who are solid in defence, facing one of the best attacking team fron Spain. A draw here is an option, surely if Pao is winning convincigly vs Lokomotiv by HT both teams might slow down. Good game to follow on the in-play, out of my Overs list. PAO vs Lokomotiv imo will also start slow, Greeks carefully waiting for a good chance, which should be there as the Russians will go for all or nothing. Lokomotiv is in turmoil as of the manager's change, losing at home to FCK clearly showed they are out of practice, will follow on the in-play. As of Nurnberg-AZ agree with the reasoning above. Mlada Boleslav is a tricky one, Czecks won convincigly in Sweden but in the last game they are away to Fiore and they are out to win. So is AEK, as their last game is home to Villareal. Open game expected, slightly in favour of guests. So, Overs in Basel, Mlada Boleslav,Zagreb, Nurnberg, Everton and Villareal atm look good. Odds are respectively 1,70,2,25,2,20,1,90,2,10 and 1,50 at bet365. Will skip the Villareal at these odds, five games left and I will start digging further into comments, stats and team news. Good luck everyone. Last edited by nicko; 05-12-2007 at 11:07.

05-12-2007, 10:58	#5 (permalink)
blackcrow Legendary Punter Join Date: 08 Nov 2006 Location: Sydney Posts: 1,887	Re: UEFA Cup 5th December Everton over 2.5 Both teams have shown their willingness to attack and score goals so far in this cup competition and will be looking to win here to ensure they progress to the next round. Everton have a few doubtful starters like Howard in goal as well as Yobo in defence. Could be some goals in this game. Panathinaikos Panathinaikos have won their first 2 group games and will look to win this game to ensure they finish first in their group and get an easier draw in the next stage. While Lokomotivo need to win to get themselves a chance of progressing they haven't got the quality that the Greeks possess Mlada Boleslav over 2.5 Both teams have scored and conceded in each if their 2 games so far in this competition. Both teams need this win to progress into the next round so it should be an open game. Villareal -1 (EH) Massive class difference between these two sides. Elfsborg have looked out of their depth after losing the last two games 3-1 and 6-1 and now meet probably the best team in the group who need to win to ensure their place in the next round Dinamo Zagreb over 2.5 Dinamo are unlucky to be in this position where they must win this game as they have dominated their last 2 games but have missed a host of chances. Now at home in front of a huge crowd they realise that they will have to put their chances away if they wish to progress. Yet they have had problems in defence and Hamburg should be able to exploit these mistakes the Dinamo defence regularly makes. Basel under 2.5 Both teams are on 4 points and would be happy with a point in this game to pretty much ensure theri progress into the next round. Basee haven't lost a match in any competition since August 19 and are unbeaten in their last 12 European home ties. Brann are undefeated in their past six European away games. Both Basel games have gone under while Brann have gone under in 2 of their 3 games

05-12-2007, 11:01	#7 (permalink)
Roskos Senior Punter Join Date: 30 Jan 2007 Posts: 164	Re: UEFA Cup 5th December I see a value in price of 3.50 for DRAW in game between Everton and Zenit. Away team will try to take at least a point in tonight game /their last game in group stage/ to secure a place in next stage in this tournament. They have an experience coach, who can set them in right way to achieve a success. According to what I have read, there are not important missing for them. On other side Everton performed well in UEFA Cup and they can go through to next stage by earning a point in tonigh clash. They will want to do what is need to make it, before they go to AZ Alkmar in last day of this group. There will be changes in Everton's defence, if Howard and Yobo are not recover in time from injuries, as Phil Jagielka may play in defence and Stefan Wessels will deputize as a goalkeeper. But I feel confedent that it will not make them waker, as Wessels already started twice for Everton, conceded once against Man Untd and made a clean sheet against Aston Villa. Everton have weapons to prevent a loss as Arteta, Cahill, Johnson and Yakubu are all available for tonight clash. (buy the way I remember Wessels' debut for Bayern in CL game against Rangers, where he made many tremedous saves, even that he was only 17 years old. If I'm not wrong he actually didn't have a profesional contract with them at that time) Everton vs Zenit @ DRAW 3.50 at general, 5/10

05-12-2007, 11:25	#8 (permalink)
nicko Legendary Punter Join Date: 22 Oct 2007 Posts: 1,011	Re: UEFA Cup 5th December @ blackcrow Basel under 2.5 Both teams are on 4 points and would be happy with a point in this game to pretty much ensure theri progress into the next round. Basee haven't lost a match in any competition since August 19 and are unbeaten in their last 12 European home ties. Brann are undefeated in their past six European away games. Both Basel games have gone under while Brann have gone under in 2 of their 3 games[/quote] I see we only disagree on the Basel game. My reasons for attacking open play here and both teams to win are in Zagreb. Dinamo has 2 more games and if today they get a point they will have to beat Rennes away, which is highly possible. Then Dinamo will be with 5 point too, if in Basel today game ends in a draw. So will have Brann ,today is their last game, so will have Basel with a game to play away to HSV. Very tricky, as their goal difference might get eaten up in Hamburg in a fair game. I also think that the odds on Brann to win are way too high.....Not to mention that a Dimamo win today will certainly mean that either Basel or Brann is out, as the Croats could then settle with a point in France. Good luck Last edited by nicko; 05-12-2007 at 11:31.

05-12-2007, 12:17	#9 (permalink)
Maca Junior Punter Join Date: 10 Aug 2007 Posts: 65	Re: UEFA Cup 5th December Brann has arrived without 5 players...among them Bakke and El Fakiri, Basel with full squad, so i can see an easy home win.. gl

05-12-2007, 13:55	#10 (permalink)
JCtips Shrewdie Punter Join Date: 17 Sep 2007 Location: Portugal Age: 41 Posts: 802 Awards Showcase Total Awards: 1	Re: UEFA Cup 5th December My picks for today in the UEFA Cup: Everton-Zenith Too much of a difference IMO between the clubs, Everton are in very good form with 4 wins and 2 draws in their last 6 games and should take this one to secure qualification and most likely 1st place in the group. My pick: home win; Panathinaikos-L. Moskow I know the Greek team coach, Portuguese José Peseiro, as well as some of the players very well and IMO they're a better side than the Russians and are also in good form with 4 wins and 2 draws in their last 6 games. Plus, playing in Greece is always hard for the away teams because of the athmosphere. My pick: home win; Villareal-Elfsborg Villareal is a good team and is doing well both in the Spanish League and the UEFA Cup. They're also in good form with 4 wins, 1 draw and 1 loss in their last 6 games. Elfsborg home league season is now over since late October and I think that also affects the team. Regardless of that, they sit at the bottom of the group with only 1 point, 3 goals scored and 10 conceded. My pick: home -2AH (Asian Handicap); Copenhagen-A. Madrid The Danish are a decent team and usually very difficult to beat at home (they didn't lose a single game at home last season in the Champions League and even won against Man. United) and have some quality players upfront. Atletico has many great players but IMO they continue to fail to demonstrate value as a team. They're doing OK in the Spanish League and the UEFA Cup, are usually a good team at home but seem to struggle away from home. I think both teams will be pleased with a draw tonight and that's very likely to happen. My pick: draw; Zagreb-Hamburg Hamburg in great form this season, doing very well in the Bundesliga and in very good form with 8 wins in their last 10 games. Zagreb is also in very good form with 7 wins in their last 10 games but their league is not nearly as competitive as the German one. I see good value in taking Hamburg 0AH (Asian Handicap) at 2.12... My pick: away 0 AH; Good luck! JC __________________ www.jctips.com Over-prepare! Luck is basically an opportunity you take advantage of when you are prepared.

05-12-2007, 14:22	#11 (permalink)
adam7982 I love betting ;-) Join Date: 01 Oct 2007 Location: Swindon Age: 25 Posts: 731	Re: UEFA Cup 5th December Anyone fancy AEK tonight?

05-12-2007, 14:31	#12 (permalink)
zigoto Senior Punter Join Date: 05 Mar 2007 Posts: 111	Re: UEFA Cup 5th December 17 won - 2 void - 20 lost Profit: +3,75 units ------------------------------------------------------------------- Utah let us down yesterday, so lets see in what we can win some money today... Dinamo Zagreb vs Hamburg ---> 1 unit in over 2,5 at 2,16 at Betfair Kobenhawn vs Atl. Madrid ---> 1 unit in over 2,5 at 2,34 at Betfair Nurnberg vs AZ Alkmaar ---> 1 unit in over 2,5 at 2,04 at Betfair All games between teams that can both win the game and can both score. Also most of them attack far better than they defend and most of them need to get a good result... Its overs day... Good luck __________________ I'm the special one...

05-12-2007, 14:32	#13 (permalink)
frankcastle Banned Join Date: 29 Sep 2006 Posts: 36	Re: UEFA Cup 5th December Hello everyone. A couple of you guys mentioned about going with the Over. Keep in mind that the Uefa cup is usually not condusive to Overs in the first group stage. That's not to say that several of these games will not go Over 2.5, but many of these teams have important league matches and if they can get a goal or two against their opponent, chances are they'll hold back (whether they're already through or are looking for a chance to qualify) I'm not very keen on placing any serious wagers tonight but best of luck to all ;-) Last edited by frankcastle; 05-12-2007 at 14:32.

05-12-2007, 16:35	#16 (permalink)
christo85efc Football Fanatic Join Date: 22 Feb 2005 Age: 22 Posts: 2,003 Awards Showcase Total Awards: 2	Re: UEFA Cup 5th December Tremendous value on Everton if u ask me. We have looked very impressive in the last 8 matches, especially at home, the crowd are really behind the team at the moment, and provide an electric atmosphere in Goodison. I believe Moyes might go 4-4-2 tonight with Johnson coming into the team, infact the big Yak might be rested, with cahill again supporting. A win sees Everton top the group and go through in style with 3 out of 3, putting less pressure on the away trip to AZ. We are really playing some good stuff at the moment, and i wouldnt be at all surprised to see goals tonight. I am very confident about our chances. Everton home win 10/10 Arteta ATS @ 3.75 __________________ Everton FC - Pride of Merseyside!!

05-12-2007, 19:29	#17 (permalink)
American Locksmith Blue Collared Punter Join Date: 10 Aug 2007 Age: 23 Posts: 229	Re: UEFA Cup 5th December THIS EVERTON GAME IS FIXED!!! Zeit defender saves a gol with his stomach and Everton given penalty and sent off!? this ref should be suspended and should be forced to find another way to feed his kids and if he cant than that is good for him. S%IT