Champions League » Nov 24

[DRAVIDIAN]

i dont know about fiorentina but the last game lyon play in ligue 1 they were completely awfull they didnt show any attacking threat against a very weak side .they managed to score a goal but then they concede one when the other team was playing with 10 men and they could even have lost it may be they was on an off day but even that it dont excuse that kind of performance and if today they reproduce the same form no matter how fiorentina are they are going to win this match. i dont think also that fiorentina are going to settle for a draw cause if liverpool thrash debrecen then its going to be really difficult for them at anfield.
Am going for a fiorentina win there but with low stake

[Mahno]

Originally Posted by Caveman

Don't agree mate, with all respect of ur patriotism here
Kazan got 4 points in 2 matches again Barca, which other team in last years could claim the same? If Kazan is such a poor team, why they won Russian League again? Sure Barca is a little bit out of form, ok, agree, but what about Draw against Inter? Kiew played them also at home and lost...
IMO Kazan showed with winning domestic championship last week in front of teams like CSKA, Spartak or Zenit, that we will see them as permanent power in CL at least for one more year, which also means they should be placed at least as 32th of UEFA list, which will be the case more sooner than ppl think...

there is nothing to do with my patriotism mate,i didn't say Kiev stronger then Rubin and they are sh*t.My point is: teams Like Barca,CSKA,Spartak,Kiev don't mention grants like Real,Man.Un,Chelsea,Juve,Bayern...etc they play every year in CL so they earn points year by year for ages now.This is Rubin's first time in CL and yes they had few good results but to be in top 50 they need to play in CL atleast few years in a row and win alot.You progress year by year if you win and if you don't paly in CL or lose you just simply go down again.This is what i ment

[1907zico]

Originally Posted by nicko

This write-up is very close to my thoughts when Stuttgart were away to Sevilla, with the Germans being most unlucky in that game. Watched the highlights, double-checked the match stats - it was Stuttgart being the better side. Their passing looked fluent and easy, had a lot of good middle-range shots - you do not see many playing this well at Sevilla.
The Germans are clearly missing a good straight forward, flanks need to compensate from midfield, but they were defending very well against one of the most dangerous teams currently in Europe...
@ podarok I am not going against your pick, defo a no bet for me, but if I had to bet, with what I saw it would be Stuttgart + 0,5 AH. The way you are reasoning your pick is misleading though - ''poor Stuttgart almost bottom of the BL away to League Leaders in Scotland'' - hmmm...If you dig a bit deeper in the stats in the last 3 years, please check the league position of Stuttgart this time around. They are slow-starters, my Sao Paolo in Germany, even managed a title, while last year in December no one thought they would be in Top 3. As of the match with Hertha, I wouldn't take it into consideration either - first Hertha also slightly improved, and second - the game vs Rangers is all that matters now to the Franks. It is not that Stuttgart did great in CL, but Rangers don't have a great hisory here either...
GL though

Agree with Nicko, Stuttgart is everything but not poor for sure.
They will improve big time in winter break because all NEW transfer then can work very well together and build up a new way of playing and better knowledge of each other.

Additionally Kuzmanovic is quite convincing lately. Personified leader really, doing what people did expect Hitzlsperger to do.

He shows passion, does play aggressive and takes over responsibility plus he does score in the last matches as well.

I think this will be a close match, most likely a draw.

[Caveman]

Barça injury doubts

However, Barça have some serious problems ahead of this challenging fixture list. Abidal and Touré came down with flu on Friday and Márquez was feverish on Saturday, though he has made a full recovery. Ibrahimovic and Messi remain doubtful. The Swedish striker has already missed the last two games while Messi limped off the pitch in Bilbao during the 1-1 draw against Athletic Club that knocked Barça off top spot in the league table.

source: http://www.fcbarcelona.com/web/engli...er/partit.html

really interesting, one of those matches, in which European & Asian bettors are fully on contrary sides, Asians on Barca -0,5 & Barca -0,75 with dropping odds all over Far East, european Bookies lowered Inter X2 odds massively...
Under normal circumstances this match in simple words means good offense meets good defense, but Barca has some offensive problems lately, in domestic league & European Cup. Messi & Ibra aren't in good form lately but still Barca's driving forces in front, pacemaker Xavi and Iniesta have to compensate if they won't be available or 100% fit tonight. Being second in table Barca needs a home win badly, they can't be satisfied with a draw in this one, but they are a little bit out of track atm. On the other hand we see perfect situation for defensive strong Inter, being 1 point in front of Barca, they will hold all advantages in their own hands. If they manage a draw here, and with playing last home match against Kazan, they have great chances to get promoted at first of table...So Inter isn't forced to attack, could try to play "italian style", lower pace and wait for counterstrikes. Team news implicate we will see almost best first team tonight, even Sneijder could get involved.
Considering Mourinho to be a "tactical fox", Eto'o probably being on fire at his former "home" and Barca's injury problems in front made me to stand off 1X2 in this one, everything frm 1:0, 1;1 or even 0:1 could happen here...So for me best bet is Under 2,5 goals @ 1,90 Bet3000 (Interwetten same odds) played with medium stakes

GL @all

[ewana]

Originally Posted by Caveman

BE Careful with this bet!! Sevilla is already qualified for next stage and despite weekend win against poor Teneriffa you should take in mind that coach Jimenez was without nine players. As Sevilla is about to break into Barca/Real dominance, sitting only 3 points behind table leader Real, I am sure he will rest some important players in CL clash, too. On the other hand we will see motivated Romanian team, which could cement their promotion to next stage with first home win...
This is exactly one of those clashes, which bookies love. Many bettors see only the big name and great form of one team like Sevilla, even don't care about unusual high odds (should be around 1,80 under normal circumstances) and totally forget about lack of motivation. I think Sevilla will fully concentrate on League in next weeks, cos it seems to become one of best recent seasons of this club...Would recommend to await team news, and if too many key players from first team missing to lay Sevilla, especially if players Navarro, Navas, Kanoute or Fabiano will be rested.

Thanks for that caveman. I will maybe avoid now as it is a weaker Seville team. Still reckon their fringe players might want to stake a claim for an extanded run. Will be an interesting outcome.

[Caveman]

Originally Posted by Mahno

there is nothing to do with my patriotism mate,i didn't say Kiev stronger then Rubin and they are sh*t.My point is: teams Like Barca,CSKA,Spartak,Kiev don't mention grants like Real,Man.Un,Chelsea,Juve,Bayern...etc they play every year in CL so they earn points year by year for ages now.This is Rubin's first time in CL and yes they had few good results but to be in top 50 they need to play in CL atleast few years in a row and win alot.You progress year by year if you win and if you don't paly in CL or lose you just simply go down again.This is what i ment

Ok, misunderstood ur post, my fault!!

[uptheirons]

Lay Barcelona @ 1.78, betfair

Very even group and both giants are in danger now. Their first match ended 0-0, obviously both teams know each other well, and i don't think we'll see much different game today. Blaugrana could miss Ibra and Messi who are both doubtful and without them two, Inter's chances are rising. In any case i expect a nervous match cause team which loses tonight is in a very uncomfortable position. Barca goes to Kiev in the last round while Inter will probably have to beat Rubin to get through. Odds are too low, considering Barca's poor form.

[xaralas]

Originally Posted by Caveman

Don't agree mate, with all respect of ur patriotism here
Kazan got 4 points in 2 matches again Barca, which other team in last years could claim the same? If Kazan is such a poor team, why they won Russian League again? Sure Barca is a little bit out of form, ok, agree, but what about Draw against Inter? Kiew played them also at home and lost...
IMO Kazan showed with winning domestic championship last week in front of teams like CSKA, Spartak or Zenit, that we will see them as permanent power in CL at least for one more year, which also means they should be placed at least as 32th of UEFA list, which will be the case more sooner than ppl think...
Regarding today's match, i agree with my mate Xaralas from BA forum, could end as a draw, even first leg should have ended as draw, only 2 late goals made Kiew getting out of this clash as winners. A team which drawed Inter & Barca at home, won't lose against Kiew IMO. If my weather forecast tells the truth, we have light Snow fall & Temps around Zero °C atm, even tonight...Even if players are adjusted to those circumstances, I can't see a high scoring match, could end as 1:0 or 1:1...

for those who are interested in Xaralas' bet here a copy:

Rubin Kazan - Dinamo Kiev: Draw @ 3.50 (Unibet) 2/10

Excuse my seemingly simple-minded approach here, but despite the 2 units there is good logic in it. Under normal ciscumastances, if there is any logic to derive from first 4 rounds, this is a draw. Rubin -apart from the miraculous result at Barcelona- has 2 draws at home, with both Barca and Inter, two teams stronger than Dinamo, but of course accustomed to different climate. In any case, Inter played with extra man and still Rubin held, Barca had a game domination and Rubin still held. Dinamo on other hand has shown a very good perfomance in the group, and in away games, 1 defeat after a very good game in Barca and a 2-2 draw at Meazza vs Inter. In last game, they were just unlucky to lose to Inter and tonight they have to avoid defeat to hope for qualification. In my mind, Rubin is so hard to tackle at home, while Dinamo gives any game a good fight and draw should be a result to look for in this game. Draw leaves both teams hopes alive here and it is an expected outcome when two more or less equal teams collide. I can't expect any of them to lose easy here and that 3.50 should be tried low stakes, if you ask me. GL!


he also posts here at PL, u should also check his other picks this round:
http://bettingadvice.com/showPredict...php?idMenu=204

IMO one of best punters around whole betting scene, decent quality stuff!!

P.S@ Xaralas : If u are there mate and don't want me to post ur pick, plz PM me

I am there (as in here) and you've got every right, since you mention the source. Thank you for the kind words mate.

[JackJarvis]

Rubin vs Dynamo Kiev
Advice: Over 2.5 Goals @ 2.33 Canbet
This is purely a value bet and that is all. No way this should be so big. Both sides know a victory will put them in a good position to qualify from this group and the reverse fixture in Kiev finished 3-1 to Dynamo. Kiev are well known for being involved in free flowing games with plenty of goals and I think there is definetly an overreaction to Rubins 0-0 draw with Barcelona here. This should be closer to 2.00 or 2.05 in my opinion and it definetly represents terrific value.

[cleanup]

i think that a draw is on the cards for barca v inter...

[Scotlandspunter]

Originally Posted by sill7

As one of the most succsesfull punters in the land i will be puting money on ac milan at 4/5 at homr tonight . If any one wants to win money they will follow me

[benaarondavies]

Liverpool -1 is a brilliant bet for tonight's game as the goal difference between them and fiorentina is +5 and -2. Take liverpool winning tonight at debrecen and fiorentina drew to lyon , liverpool would then have to win by 3 goals at anfield vs fiorentina and thats why tonights game at debrecen is so important. So the best option for tonight is liverpool -1 big stake and small stake for liverpool -2

[neil]

Hey everyone, first post, so hopefully will be successful. Don't know if anyone here knows bettingpro.com, but my full previews can always be read there.

Rangers v Stuttgart

Stuttgart are the better side, but home advantage should help Rangers. The key, however, is that Madjid Bougherra is unlikely to play for Rangers, so it is certain that Stuttgart will score. Neither side has kept a clean sheet in the CL this season, and both teams have scored in all 4 of their matches.

With that in mind 4/5 (SkyBet) that both teams score looks good.

Onto the result. I think a draw is on the cards, as even though Rangers need the win, they will not go too attacking, after the disasters against Sevilla and Unirea. Instead it is likely to be a cagey game, where set-pieces could be key. I think the game could well finish in a draw, which, while not perfect for either side, doesn't kill off either sides hopes of progression from the group (be it Europa or CL progress).

Given that I think it will be a draw, and that both teams will score, I am willing to go with a 1-1 correct score, as I don't expect a higher scoring draw than that, and the 1-1 is better value than just backing the straight tie.

Further support for this scoreline - the last time the sides met in Germany, the game finished 1-1, 2/4 of Rangers games have finished 1-1, whilst 3/4 of Stuttgart's have been the same scoreline!

Rangers 1 Stuttgart 1 - 7.4 betfair

[Caveman]

Originally Posted by xaralas

I am there (as in here) and you've got every right, since you mention the source. Thank you for the kind words mate.

de rien

[Charlie Wong]

Originally Posted by blackcrow

Liverpool -1.5 @ 1.91 pinnacle
Liverpool -2.5 @ 3.20 bet365
Liverpool not only have to win this game but also need to score quite a few goals in order to have a chance to progress through. If Lyon win against Fiorentina, then they only need to win this game and the next against Fiorentina to progress, or if there is a draw between the other two teams, then if Liverpool win by 3 goals here, then they will need to win byt 3 against Fiorentina, however if they win by 4 goals against Debrecen, then they only need 2 goals against Fiorentina - all this provided the other game does not see Fiorentina win.
Liverpool were much the better side against Lyon only to draw to a sucker punch in the last miuntes of the game. They also were the better team against Man City on the weekend before some defensive mix ups saw them draw that one too. They outplayed Debrecen at home even though some poor finishing saw it only end 1-0. They have most of their players now back from injury and given the magnitude of a must win game by several goals, expect them to show their class difference with an emphatic victory, otherwise they can forget about progressing any further in this competition.

Arsenal -1.5 @ 1.90 pinnacle
Arsenal -2.5 @ 3.05 bet365
While Arsenal only need a draw to progress, they are not a team that is built to sit on a point, as Wenger wants then to regularly attack. They have some very creative players like Fabregas and Arshavin in the team, and even though they suffered a shock 1-0 loss to Sunderland on the weekend, they still had the chances to score. They should be still able to create similar amount of chances against a Standard Liege side that has an outside chance of progressing and are likley to be missing some key players like Jovanovic and De Camargo. Arsenal seem to play much better at home than on the road in the Champions League and with results like 2-0 over Olympiacos and 4-1 ove AZ Alkmaar, they have the ability to score quite a few against Liege

im with you here mate,. both sides should put a performance in tonight

[uptheirons]

Fiorentina/Lyon Draw @ 3.30, totesport

Fiorentina without key players like Mutu and Jovetić, needs to win in order to qualify from the group. On the other hand, if they lose they will have to stay unbeaten in last round at Anfield. If they draw, they'll have to defend 2-0 from Firenze.
Lyon, on the other hand, will qualify with one point and most likely win the group cause they play Debrecen at Gerland in the last round.
Having all that in mind, and big stake for both teams i doubt we'll see an open match. Draw suits both teams here. Good luck.

[uptheirons]

Lay Olympiakos @ 3.75, betfair

Oly is struggling to find their form lately, in home league and in CHL as well. They are traditionally weak in away games in Euro Cups and have several important missings for this game. Hamdaoui will also miss for AZ but hosts should at least stay unbeaten in this game. They need to win if they want to stay in combinations for progress, while Oly would be happy with a draw.

[MrMal]

Rangers v VfB Stuttgart, Gp G, 19:45
Ref: Rosetti - last 8 games - 5 Red cards - 38 Yellows.
The referee might be a talking point considering his card stats, so any of my bets will be low.
I'm looking at the match stats and leaning towards a Draw.
Rangers have had 2 draws and 3 losses from their last five CL matches
Stuttgart have held their own in CL - last five matches they have 4 draws and 1 loss. They have also drawn their last three bundesliga games.
Selection: Draw @ 9/4

[JackJarvis]

Really poor game this, two pathetic teams who can't kick a ball.

[Smooth Jimmy]

Hmmm, Vela in for Arsenal. Was planning to have a big bet on them tonight, but I find this offputting. They should be fine still but I think it's a risk using Vela instead of Eduardo. Maybe I'll follow the game in-play and hope Eduardo comes on after ten minutes