20/05/2009 Uefa Cup Final - Shaktar vs Werder Bremen

[andyfmfb]

Betting against a German side in a final

Missing Diego could be a blessing in disguise for the Germans, will set up with a solid, machine/robotic like midfield, set out to stiffel all of Shaktars creativity.

I can see a very tight, tense final with Bremen sneaking it 1-0.

The 2.4 on Bremen picking up more bookings looks appealing too.

[Caveman]

Originally Posted by Mowgli

Half of Istanbul is actually part of Europe. ;-)

yes, but Sukru Saracoglu , the Fener stadium is on Asian side of Istanbul

[j-sho]

Originally Posted by Caveman

yes, but Sukru Saracoglu , the Fener stadium is on Asian side of Istanbul

Asian or Middle East?

[deeloughran]

How did he miss!?

[deeloughran]

Adriano makes up for his earlier sitter with a superb chip! 1-0!!!

[Caveman]

Originally Posted by j-sho

Asian or Middle East?

Eurasian

[andyfmfb]

Top notch goal keeping in this game!

[Jase82]

Originally Posted by deeloughran

Marseille play attractive attacking football and Shaktar beat them home AND away!

No they don't. In my opinon Shahktar haven't played a team that are capable of truly great offensive football.....and my point was to illustrate that Ukraine are ranked 22nd in European football, whilst Germany are ranked 4th, so there is a clear gap in quality. I'm also not a fan of Eastern European football. Too workmanlike, not enough skill from the European games I've witnessed.

Anyway, the game is half way over, so we shall see.

[vtoomas]

Nice game from Shaktar. Too bad they couldn't make it normal time.

[deeloughran]

Originally Posted by deeloughran

Well i was on Shaktar at 20/1 e/w for this 1/2 place 1/2 odds so i'm VERY happy Shaktar are here!
Shaktar have a very talented squad and have been under rated throughout the competition due to prejudice about being in a 'small league' and having been so far behind Dynamo in the league, something like 12 points?
But we must remember that this team is made up of extremely talented South Americans whos ideal conditions is surely not the cold of Ukraine and they have been producing their pure football more in Europe where they are more climated to.
Shaktar have a multi-millionaire owner and he has assembled a pretty expensive side by any standards and looking at individuals it shouldn't be that big of a surprise that they have arrived here.
Meanwhile Werder, a team that has been relying on the brilliance of one player, Diego, throughout most of the competition
Scored in the dying stages at home to Milan in the last 32 to give them hope for the 2nd leg
Scored away to Udinese in the 1/4s
Scored at home to Udinese in the 1/4s
Got the comback started against Hamburg in the Semis
He is their top-goalscorer in this competition on 6 goals and is the creative genius behind their attacks.
This guy is suspened for the match alongside their striker who scored two at the weekend, Aleida and their towering German international centre-back Mertesacker has damaged foot ligaments and is near certain to miss out.
I think that there is huge value in Shaktar at the odds on offer and may even back them again for the final (yes i'm getting greedy with my ante-post bet waiting on them)
Currently 9/5 in StanJames but i don't know what way the betting will go coming up to the time with most people usually betting on the 'bigger name' of Breman so may get even larger odds closer to the final

20/1 e/w shot came in so i'm VERY happy

[deeloughran]

Originally Posted by Jase82

No they don't. In my opinon Shahktar haven't played a team that are capable of truly great offensive football.....and my point was to illustrate that Ukraine are ranked 22nd in European football, whilst Germany are ranked 4th, so there is a clear gap in quality. I'm also not a fan of Eastern European football. Too workmanlike, not enough skill from the European games I've witnessed.

Anyway, the game is half way over, so we shall see.

Think it was the other way round tonight, Bremen knew they missed their creative spark in Diego tonight and played very tight 'workmanlike' football whereas Shaktar played very deep but everytime they got the ball they broke forward in numbers and played with a bit of flair but didn't have much finishing about them. Srna is a world-class player i feel his passing was second to none, Scholes-like only he can still run!

[1907zico]

Originally Posted by 1907zico

My selections for tonight:

Bremen ML 4/10 @2.86
Özil to score anytimer 3/10 @4.33
Both team to score 10/10 @1.75
Shaktar Donezk to not score from a penalty 1/10 @21

-0,5 pts ^^

Donezk was less poor than Bremen should be the right words for tonights match

[Caveman]

clear better team won, congrats to Ukraine

[Mozzi]

Originally Posted by Jase82

No they don't. In my opinon Shahktar haven't played a team that are capable of truly great offensive football.....and my point was to illustrate that Ukraine are ranked 22nd in European football, whilst Germany are ranked 4th, so there is a clear gap in quality. I'm also not a fan of Eastern European football. Too workmanlike, not enough skill from the European games I've witnessed.

Anyway, the game is half way over, so we shall see.

Haha wtf? Ukraine may be 22nd because as a whole, they're not a patch on Germany. That, however, in no way signifies that every German club is better than every Ukrainian club, just that the average club is. Shakhtar are one of the best teams in their country and Werder are pretty average in theirs so it matches up rather well. You're right about the clear gap in quality though - there was only one side playing football tonight and that was Shakhtar.

Congratulations to Shakhtar Donetsk for being the first Ukrainian side to win the UEFA Cup and deservedly so in my opinion. The tide is indeed turning!

[MrMal]

Originally Posted by Teabag

Well, after reading all these posts the bookies must have got things wrong and I hope your selections come off to 'bash the bookies'

My own tenpenneth is that it will be a draw after 90 minutes, hence the long odds on both teams. Have a feeling the bookies think this is going to end stalemate after the allotted 90 minutes

Too much has been written about a couple of players missing for Werder - this is a Uefa final and in all finals in the modern game personnel are missing through injury or more commonly via suspension, therefore

Going for a draw

1-1
2-2

Good luck to all tonight

Well Done Teabag - Good Call on the Draw and CS

[Nelly-]

Good job ! Well done.

Regards....

[JackJarvis]

I'm a bit sick Shakthar didn't win that in 90minutes, clearly the better side and if it weren't for their keeper dropping the ball in his net, I would have been on a winner aswell.

[keliot]

Originally Posted by deeloughran

20/1 e/w shot came in so i'm VERY happy

Congrats and hats off mate.

[kopite19]

betting rules, i bet on under 2 goals in tonights match..does that mean i get my stake back as it was a draw?

[JackJarvis]

Originally Posted by kopite19

betting rules, i bet on under 2 goals in tonights match..does that mean i get my stake back as it was a draw?

No.

If you bet on UNDER 2 goals you are hoping for 0-0, 1-0 or 0-1. Basically you are saying you backed Under 1.5 Goals.

However if you mean you backed Under 2.5 Goals you are on a winner.