Finnish Cup, 20 -21/6

[G:G]

Wednesday 20 June 2007 Home Draw Away BPP Kpv v Tampere United (16:30 BST) 7.50 4.30 1.40 109% Related markets...- - -Match ResultDouble ChanceOdd or Even TotalOver/Under Thursday 21 June 2007 Home Draw Away BPP AC Oulu v GrIFK (16:30 BST) 1.15 7.50 17.00 107% Related markets...- - -Match ResultDouble ChanceOdd or Even TotalOver/Under FC Lahti v LoPa (16:30 BST) 1.10 9.00 21.00 107% Related markets...- - -Match ResultDouble ChanceOver/Under Fc Ypa v Tampere United (16:30 BST) 4.00 3.60 1.80 109% Related markets...- - -Match ResultOdd or Even TotalOver/Under GBK v KuPS Ak (16:30 BST) 6.00 3.60 1.72 103% Related markets...- - -Match ResultDouble ChanceOdd or Even TotalOver/Under Hämeenlinna v MyPa (16:30 BST) 6.40 4.05 1.55 105% Related markets...- - -Match ResultDouble ChanceOdd or Even TotalOver/Under Haka v Nik (16:30 BST) 1.10 7.25 18.00 111% Related markets...- - -Match ResultDouble ChanceOver/Under Haka v Nykarleby IK (16:30 BST) 1.10 7.00 13.00 113% Related markets...Match Result HIFK Soccer v Popa Pori (16:30 BST) 3.80 3.50 2.00 105% Related markets...- - -Match ResultDouble ChanceOver/Under HJK Helsinki v Jaro (16:30 BST) 1.48 4.20 8.00 104% Related markets...- - -Match ResultDouble ChanceOdd or Even TotalOver/Under Honka 2 v Jyvaskyla JK (16:30 BST) 4.70 2.30 1.15 152% Related markets...- - -Match ResultOver/Under Jippo v Viikingit Hsk (16:30 BST) 4.70 3.60 1.90 102% Related markets...- - -Match ResultDouble ChanceOdd or Even TotalOver/Under Kultsu FC v FC Inter (16:30 BST) 13.00 7.50 1.25 102% Related markets...- - -Match ResultDouble ChanceOdd or Even Total Kultsu v FC Inter (16:30 BST) 3.85 2.42 1.15 155% Related markets...- - -Match ResultOver/Under Kuusankoski v PK Keski-Uusimaa (16:30 BST) 1.33 4.50 7.50 111% Related markets...- - -Match ResultOver/Under VPS-j v City Stars (16:30 BST) 1.02 1.02 1.02 295% Related markets...- - -Match ResultOver/Under Someron Voima v JyTy (17:00 BST) 1.01 1.01 1.01 298% Related markets...- - -Match ResultOver/Under

[G:G]

Ok, I'm gonna try to place some bets in this competition, but I have to warn you: I have no info about line ups and/or injuries, these are only based on stats and that I hope the class difference will be enough to cover the hcp. I might be totally out there, but this approach worked last season, so I'll try it again.

Tampere -1 @ 1.94 (Pinnacle)
I may be totally wrong here as I have absolutely no information about Tampere's line up when I write this, but I'm willing to risk it. The Cup is generally considered important in Finland, I hope Tampere agree, if so they should win vs div.1 team KPV with a couple of goals. KPV, placed 9th,
2-2-1 6-6 at home, 2-2-1 last five, looks like a mediocre divison 1 team, facing, imo, Finland's best team atm.

Inter -1.5 @ 2.01 (Pinnacle)
Kultsu's home is the third divison, and they are doing just fine atm, at 1st place with 6-1-0 22-4, impressing stats for sure, but Inter, who recently won 3-1 vs Mypa away, should also cover this line if they take this match a tiny bit serious. Kultsu's from Joutseno in east Finland, I have seen them play at home once a few years ago, and I can only say that a Veikkaus leauge team like Inter should really not be able to avoid winning with a big margin.

Lahti -1.5 @ 2.05 (Pinnacle)
Lopa's a divison two team, group B, their current position is 13 in a leauge with 14 teams, record 1-2-6 8-20, at home 1-1-2 6-8. Even if Lahti change their line up and field many replacement players, I can't see no reason to why they wouldn't cover this line vs a team that struggles in what really is the third divison.

[thebambers]

Thanks GG. I know nothing about Finnish Football and it took me a while to find out about the lower placed teams. I managed to get good odds on some double results. Tampere and Vikingit to win pays about 2.25, Mypa and Kups pays 2.5. All play teams they should beat (hopefully!). All four of those teams to win pays out amazing odds of over 5.0!!

I will certainly be keeping a keen interest in the cup tonight. I find this league a little more reliable than the Swedish league which keeps letting me down all the time!

Good luck with your bets

[G:G]

Originally Posted by thebambers

Thanks GG. I know nothing about Finnish Football and it took me a while to find out about the lower placed teams. I managed to get good odds on some double results. Tampere and Vikingit to win pays about 2.25, Mypa and Kups pays 2.5. All play teams they should beat (hopefully!). All four of those teams to win pays out amazing odds of over 5.0!!

I will certainly be keeping a keen interest in the cup tonight. I find this league a little more reliable than the Swedish league which keeps letting me down all the time!

Good luck with your bets

Same to you, let's hope this works

[Mixer]

These cupgames might sometimes be suprising, but I think G:G has gathered some good pics here. Couple of words of them.

Originally Posted by G:G

Tampere -1 @ 1.94 (Pinnacle)
I may be totally wrong here as I have absolutely no information about Tampere's line up when I write this, but I'm willing to risk it. The Cup is generally considered important in Finland, I hope Tampere agree, if so they should win vs div.1 team KPV with a couple of goals. KPV, placed 9th,
2-2-1 6-6 at home, 2-2-1 last five, looks like a mediocre divison 1 team, facing, imo, Finland's best team atm.

As an answer to your question, TamU agree about importance of cup. Their coach just said that their only target is to go to next round (one goal margin is enough though...) and their goal is to win the whole cup. TamU will miss at least couple of players (Kuoppala, Savolainen, Lindström) but their roster should be tough enough to beat KPV easily. One word of warning though, KPV played last year in cup final so they can be considered as a good cup team.

Originally Posted by G:G

Inter -1.5 @ 2.01 (Pinnacle)
Kultsu's home is the third divison, and they are doing just fine atm, at 1st place with 6-1-0 22-4, impressing stats for sure, but Inter, who recently won 3-1 vs Mypa away, should also cover this line if they take this match a tiny bit serious. Kultsu's from Joutseno in east Finland, I have seen them play at home once a few years ago, and I can only say that a Veikkaus leauge team like Inter should really not be able to avoid winning with a big margin.

I think Inter wants to have some success in cup cause they have started league so badly. Inter also played in cup final in "league cup" (as carling cup) in spring so they have some good recent cup experiences. Also like you said, Mypa win definelity gave them some boost.

Originally Posted by G:G

Lahti -1.5 @ 2.05 (Pinnacle)
Lopa's a divison two team, group B, their current position is 13 in a leauge with 14 teams, record 1-2-6 8-20, at home 1-1-2 6-8. Even if Lahti change their line up and field many replacement players, I can't see no reason to why they wouldn't cover this line vs a team that struggles in what really is the third divison.

Lahti has played fairly good so far in the season and I don't think division two team are able to give them hard challenge. As some interview Lopa's coach sounded like this is nice experience to them, but they didn't believe in winning very strongly. Lahti plays also offensive football so winning with at least 2 goals margin sounds good to me.

GL

[G:G]

Originally Posted by Mixer

These cupgames might sometimes be suprising, but I think G:G has gathered some good pics here. Couple of words of them.


As an answer to your question, TamU agree about importance of cup. Their coach just said that their only target is to go to next round (one goal margin is enough though...) and their goal is to win the whole cup. TamU will miss at least couple of players (Kuoppala, Savolainen, Lindström) but their roster should be tough enough to beat KPV easily. One word of warning though, KPV played last year in cup final so they can be considered as a good cup team.



I think Inter wants to have some success in cup cause they have started league so badly. Inter also played in cup final in "league cup" (as carling cup) in spring so they have some good recent cup experiences. Also like you said, Mypa win definelity gave them some boost.



Lahti has played fairly good so far in the season and I don't think division two team are able to give them hard challenge. As some interview Lopa's coach sounded like this is nice experience to them, but they didn't believe winning very strongly. Lahti plays also offencive football so winning with at least 2 goals margin sounds good to me.

GL

Tnx, Mixer, appreciate your thougths and feel a bit more confident about my picks now, at least they don't look totally stupid!

[thomah]

Hello, Mixer!

It looks like you have well knowledge about the Finnish teams. What about a bet on FF Jaro against HJK?
HJK have struggled a lot at home this season, and Jaro have done okay on the road (almost beat Tampere Utd last match too).

Are HJK playing with their best team, and are they motivated for the cup? Any injuries?

I think it looks like a good bet...

[Mixer]

Originally Posted by thomah

Hello, Mixer!

It looks like you have well knowledge about the Finnish teams. What about a bet on FF Jaro against HJK?
HJK have struggled a lot at home this season, and Jaro have done okay on the road (almost beat Tampere Utd last match too).

Are HJK playing with their best team, and are they motivated for the cup? Any injuries?

I think it looks like a good bet...

Hi,

I kind of like this bet too. HJK and Jaro just played little over week ago in HJK's home field and game ended 2-2. Traditionally HJK is much better team (one of the favorites in the league), but they have started season badly. But in their last game they won Haka (which is quite a good team) so maybe they are about to find their missing touch...

What talks against HJK is recent news about their striker and maybe best player Farid Ghazi. He hasn't took part in training over a week and today one magazine wrote that he is leaving the team. So most likely HJK will play without him. HJK will miss also two midfielder Hetemaj and Medjoud. Jaro will also play without important defender Portin.

I still find HJK as favorites here, but in this situation definelity not that big as odds suggests. X2 odds are risky, but tasty...

[thebambers]

GG. Followed your Tampere tip but went for AH-1 -1.5 which paid odds of 2.05 which was nice. I also had them in a double with Vikingit so thats the first half of the double done! Come on Vikingit, do your side of the deal as well please.

I also fancy Lahti AH -1.5 as see them scoring a few especially at home to weaker opposition.

[lurie]

hi mixer!
thanks for the great details the you're sharing with us!
can you tell us about today's games? are the teams taking this cup very seriously? missings at the teams?

one more quition:
where are you from?

thanks and have a good day

[Mixer]

Some thoughts.

About cup taken seriously? I don't know for sure, it's hard to say. If compared for example to England, cup has much lower meaning in here. Most teams takes it seriously though, but league comes 1st and cup 2nd. Most teams takes of course both seriously, but some teams (teams that fight to stay in the series or to climb to next level...) might give less meaning to it and rest some important players.

G:G earlier wrote about some games and I still agree about them and about HJK-Jaro. Here is some more thoughts.

Jippo-Viikingit

Viikingit plays at top level and Jippo 2nd. Last year they played in same level, 2nd. (Viikingit 1st and Jippo 5th back then) They played 2 times against each other. Jippo won 4-3 at home, but lost 4-0 at away. I'm not sure how important this cup is to Viikingit, but I would quess that staying in the 1st league means most to them... Also Viikingit has a long trip to Joensuu and this is not the best day to go visiting, cause tomorrow it will be midsummer fest here in Finland and that is traditionally quite a big fest here and of course that shouldn't grab any of their thoughts, but... So, I would expect tight game and wouldn't think Viikingit to be that big favor. My choice was to lay Viikingit @ 1,86 @ Betfair

GBK-Kups

Both teams plays at 2nd level. Kups is currently 1st and is biggest favorite to win and climb to Veikkausliiga next year. Kups just dropped from there last year. GBK has played very badly and they are in risk to drop to level below. GBK 2-0-6 (7-15) ; at home 0-0-3 (3-10) and Kups 5-3-0 (16-3) ; at away 1-2-0 (2-1). Kups should be much better team and win this, but big question is how seriously they take the cup. They have at least 3-5 missings. Their biggest goal is to win their division, but I still believe they are able to win this one, but there is some question marks. Our local bookie offers 1,75 @ Kups and I took some of it.

AC Oulu-GrIFK

Oulu plays at the top level, but is one of the weakest teams in there. GrIFK plays two level below. So, Oulu should win this easily, but I have some doubts to them at least in odds like 1,1 or so. Last cup round GrIFK won top level team FC KooTeePee and have couple of good away games behind in their league. Oulu haven't won in 5 games and their biggest goal this year is to stay in the league. Their coach said that what they want out of this game is to find a decent touch to their game. So, Oulu is much better team here, but I don't fully trust them. I smell a little suprise in here and I layed Oulu @ 1,19 @ Betfair

FC Hämeenlinna-Mypa

In this game I can see only one favorite, Mypa. Hämeenlinna plays one level below Mypa and they have had some trouble even there. Mypa has also struggled in Veikkausliiga, but cup gives them another opportunity to get in the eurocups. So, I believe Mypa to be even more motivated team here and of course much better team. I took some of Mypa @ 1,55 @ local bookie.

[allthethings]

Soccer - JIPPO/Viikingit - total Over 2½ (-123)
for the regulation time held on Jun 21 at 10:45am [pending]

This is the best overs line of them all...am also considering the O 3.5 line on Lahti-Lopa, but it's an ugly -164...but anyway, this game features a team that can't can't score in Ykkonen against a team that scored like crazy last year in Ykkonen but has been held in check in Veikkausliga. JIPPO is coming off a four-game run in which they've conceded 4, 3, 1 and 2 goals, so Viikingit should be able to find the net if they care to. H2H last year they played a 4-0 and 4-3 game, and I'd expect that especially where motivations are suspect, we'll see both teams score here...the other possibility, that Viikingiit will appreciate an opportunity to score for once, might lead to a blowout. Both situations speak to overs. The other possibility, that Viikingit will go all that way to do nothing at all and lose 1-0 I don't really take seriously.

BOL

[allthethings]

Oulu haven't won in 5 games and their biggest goal this year is to stay in the league. Their coach said that what they want out of this game is to find a decent touch to their game.

Tell you what, they've found a decent touch here in the first half...

[Mixer]

Originally Posted by allthethings

Tell you what, they've found a decent touch here in the first half...

Indeed. 5-0 after 1st half. Good for them, but for my speculations...

[yllinho]

very profitable games. thanks to all for your help

[allthethings]

Originally Posted by allthethings

Soccer - JIPPO/Viikingit - total Over 2½ (-123)
for the regulation time held on Jun 21 at 10:45am [pending]

This is the best overs line of them all...am also considering the O 3.5 line on Lahti-Lopa, but it's an ugly -164...but anyway, this game features a team that can't can't score in Ykkonen against a team that scored like crazy last year in Ykkonen but has been held in check in Veikkausliga. JIPPO is coming off a four-game run in which they've conceded 4, 3, 1 and 2 goals, so Viikingit should be able to find the net if they care to. H2H last year they played a 4-0 and 4-3 game, and I'd expect that especially where motivations are suspect, we'll see both teams score here...the other possibility, that Viikingiit will appreciate an opportunity to score for once, might lead to a blowout. Both situations speak to overs. The other possibility, that Viikingit will go all that way to do nothing at all and lose 1-0 I don't really take seriously.

BOL

Hasn't played out exactly like I'd imagined, obviously, but Viikingit has just scored to make it 2-1...

[Mixer]

Results:
KPV- Tamu 0-2
Kultsu - Inter 0-4
Lahti-Lopa 2-0

Excellent G:G! 3/3

HJK-Jaro 2-1
AC Oulu-GrIFK 8-1
FC Hämeenlinna-Mypa 0-2
Jippo-Viikingit 2-1
GBK-Kups 1-1

My pics 2/4, but some loss.

Allthethings's over went also right.

All in all, went quite good! Cheers all