Suggestions & Questions thread

[meatman]

This is simply a thread for anyone to give me some feedback about the competition. I have now updated all the rules etc, which had been a bit old.

Over the last few months, people have come up to me with suggestions of ways to improve or make the competition more interesting. There are some plans for a couple of different features in the future, possibly starting in EWC (V). Obviously the current format is very successful, but there will always be ways in which things can be changed, even in a slight way.

If anyone wants to suggest or say anything - improvements ideas etc, then please feel free to post in this thread. Everything will be considered!

[Xcout]

In the history of the competition I think it has to be pointout whenever there was no show in a match by one or both parts.

Cup finalist be at least invited back to the Cup.

[meatman]

Originally Posted by Xcout

In the history of the competition I think it has to be pointout whenever there was no show in a match by one or both parts.

Yeh I'll look into that, eventually I hope this can be shown

Originally Posted by Xcout

Cup finalist be at least invited back to the Cup.

1) Do you mean that some people (say the Winner & Runner up) of the Knockout Cup can be invited directly into the group stages of the main competition.

2) or that they be invited back into the knockout cup. If this is the case, then they would be invited anyway because everyone will play in the KO cup, even those who fail to qualify for the main competition. Although another idea is perhaps those that performed best in the previous KO cup could enter at a later stage than others

I presume your point was option 1, but I said this just to make sure

If that is correct, then it is an interesting idea, and one which could happen.

Cheers Xcout!

[Darren]

Always thought as the competition does home and away games throughout you should get a little edge playing at home. Maybe a 1 point start or something. So the home player has a little advantage but not an awful lot.

[meatman]

Originally Posted by Darren

Always thought as the competition does home and away games throughout you should get a little edge playing at home. Maybe a 1 point start or something. So the home player has a little advantage but not an awful lot.

yeh thats a very good suggestion Darren, it had crossed my mind before.

A bit of a worry about confusion, but it wouldn't really be too much of a problem I dont think.

This is certainly something that will be considered strongly, thanks

[Xcout]

Originally Posted by meatman

Yeh I'll look into that, eventually I hope this can be shown


1) Do you mean that some people (say the Winner & Runner up) of the Knockout Cup can be invited directly into the group stages of the main competition.

2) or that they be invited back into the knockout cup. If this is the case, then they would be invited anyway because everyone will play in the KO cup, even those who fail to qualify for the main competition. Although another idea is perhaps those that performed best in the previous KO cup could enter at a later stage than others

I presume your point was option 1, but I said this just to make sure

If that is correct, then it is an interesting idea, and one which could happen.

Cheers Xcout!

Sorry for the late reply meatman, I was into both cases, the primary idea was to get seed them into the main competition and also to get them into the knockout competition. In the last case just invited them to the knockout competition.

After reading your post I have a thought, your point the possibility of seeding them in later stage would make it kinda UEFA Cup or Spanish Cup, but I sense that it is better as it is (mostly like english cups) where the team has to battle all the way.

Cheer meatman and kinda late but Happy New Year!

[meatman]

Originally Posted by Xcout

Sorry for the late reply meatman, I was into both cases, the primary idea was to get seed them into the main competition and also to get them into the knockout competition. In the last case just invited them to the knockout competition.

After reading your post I have a thought, your point the possibility of seeding them in later stage would make it kinda UEFA Cup or Spanish Cup, but I sense that it is better as it is (mostly like english cups) where the team has to battle all the way.

Cheer meatman and kinda late but Happy New Year!

happy new year to you as well xcout

[Darren]

For the finals of the competition its sort of been stumbled upon this season almost by luck because aliando is away. But how about instead of 2 legs it is just a 1 off game with each finalist making 6 selections.

And also how about for that one off final, managers can PM there choices in. That way a double selection of a game isn't discounted.

[meatman]

Cheers for the suggestions Darren

I must say I rather like the idea of a one off final with 6 selections each - certainly at least in the KO Cup. This is probably something that I will look to bring in next season

As for the PM option

no I'm not going to go down that route in this competition, the whole point is that tipsters aren't allowed to tip in the same match, yet alone the same selection. I can see where your coming from there though

[dirty_pop_83]

Just a thought with respect to the home advantage rule.. It'd be more practical if the home tipster gets an additional pick (with one point) intead of automatically getting a point (A total of 4 picks instead of 3). The 10-10 rule could still be applied.

Another suggestion, in knockout, reserve picks can be used as penalty kicks in case of a draw instead of having another encounter in the next weekend. This way tipsters are encouraged to post reserve picks.

[Jamesdeanbadfingers]

Meatman. Firstly, it's a great competition and a credit to all the admin for all ur hard work.

Great suggestion dirtypop. Another pick would mean the home team can decide to go all out and risk a 3 pointer or play "safe" with a 1 pointer (is it ever safe?)

You could also give the home team the option of taking a guaranteed 1 point home advantage or go for an extra pick? Extra admin tho'...!

Finally, still bugs me if I log on and find my opponent has picked games I wanted. Even though I wanted an away or a draw and he has gone for over 2.5 goals so my research has to start from scratch!

Cheers

JDBF

[DON_DIEGO_BG]

i found the ideas of DirtyPop great too! both of them.

Home player should earn this 1pt with extra pick (irrespective of the odd!), and not to receive it only coz he is a host. In real footbal - the opportunity to earn this 1pt is like a home pitch, fans, atmosphere, etc. )) But every domestic team starts the game from 0:0! So the team should take advantage from these extras to make 1:0 with play, not automaticaly to get 1 goal starting handicap.

[meatman]

Thanks for the suggestions guys.

Originally Posted by dirtypop

Just a thought with respect to the home advantage rule.. It'd be more practical if the home tipster gets an additional pick (with one point) intead of automatically getting a point (A total of 4 picks instead of 3). The 10-10 rule could still be applied.

Originally Posted by DON DIEGO

Home player should earn this 1pt with extra pick (irrespective of the odd!), and not to receive it only coz he is a host. In real footbal - the opportunity to earn this 1pt is like a home pitch, fans, atmosphere, etc. )) But every domestic team starts the game from 0:0! So the team should take advantage from these extras to make 1:0 with play, not automaticaly to get 1 goal starting handicap.

I quite like this idea, meaning that the person with home advantage would have to work a little harder for his point. This will certainly be considered in the future and has strong possibilities.

@ DON DIEGO - yes your spot on with your analysis there!

Originally Posted by JDBF

Another pick would mean the home team can decide to go all out and risk a 3 pointer or play "safe" with a 1 pointer (is it ever safe?)

You could also give the home team the option of taking a guaranteed 1 point home advantage or go for an extra pick? Extra admin tho'...!

This is another possibility, and I can see where your coming from JDBF. However, I think the idea of letting the home person have the chance of going for another 2 or 3 pointer is possibly, a bit too harsh on the opponent.

Originally Posted by dirtypop

Another suggestion, in knockout, reserve picks can be used as penalty kicks in case of a draw instead of having another encounter in the next weekend. This way tipsters are encouraged to post reserve picks.

Thanks for the idea Dirtypop, but I think the current system of a replay, followed by a tie break is probably better. Reserve picks are only optional, and I think we have to consider that for those people who don't have too much time, 6 picks might be a little too much.

Finally, still bugs me if I log on and find my opponent has picked games I wanted. Even though I wanted an away or a draw and he has gone for over 2.5 goals so my research has to start from scratch!

Yeh I know what you mean JDBF but this can never really be changed. It has been suggested in the past that tipsters are allowed to PM selections into admin, but then the whole point is that guys dont have the same selections as each other. A problem which has come to light in this season is that reserve selections can also have an impact, this is something which will be discussed in the future.


Once again, thanks for the feedback, keep the ideas coming!

[dirty_pop_83]

Glad the ideas appealed to you guys and thanks Don Diego for the additional clarification. That's exactly how it should have been described

I also agree with JDBF with respect to the same pick thing. If I can pick the same match but with another bet, then it should be fine. I hope meatman changes his mind with respect to this rule.

Great job to meatman and all admins as well

[meatman]

Sorry I actually misread JDBF's suggestion there for a moment.

Yeh, it will be considered that if you wanted to pick from the same match as your opponent then you can (obviously as long as it wasn't the exact same pick)

[Youssef]

Hmmm.. my feedback (for all it's worth):

1- The home advantage: I agree that it should be an extra pick and not an automatic point. As I see it, the good tipsters (ex: Archaeus) will be almost impossible to beat at home, but will be at a disadvantage away. He represents Chelsea in a manner. *LOL*

On the other hand, tipsters like myself would still be vulnerable at home. I never pick 3 winners anyway, so an additional pick can help but not guarantee 7+ pts

However, the 10-10 rule should be scrapped. If someone managed full points at home it means they should win the game (we had NO 9/9 winners in this season anyway)

2- The reserves being considered for a decider. Good idea as well. So far I've been using them for backup (in case any game gets cancelle) and also to deny the popponent the opportunity to select high odds picks). If they come into action, I would have to be more careful with them as they could be decessive anyway.

3- Same match - Different pick: Also a good idea. If someone goes for -say- Atl Madrid to beat Barca and I see Barca winning, I think it's ok to take that pick. After all, we can't both win. Not sure about the case when it's over/under vs 1X2 though. We could end up having someone picking over 3.5 only to find their opponent picking over 2.5, so they win if their opponent wins, and "may" still win if the opponent loses. Too complicated and needs further research. Maybe only allow it if both picks can't win at the same time?

If arguemnets arise from the fact that any alteration to rules mean more admin work, I'm happy to provide a "check-point" for all group admins, although I think everyone did a great job on their own.

[dirty_pop_83]

Good analysis there Youssef. I have a point to be considered for Same match - Different pick issue.

You said "Maybe only allow it if both picks can't win at the same time?". I suggest either that or a different type of bet completely. Example: You pick a home win, then I have the option to pick either the draw or the away win, or I could settle for the over/under market

[Jamesdeanbadfingers]

Yeah. Agree guys. I see no harm in picking a different outcome 1,2 or X for the same match and its quite straightforward. Can't both win. So ignore my overs vs home win scenario. That's still possible for both to win.

Happy medium?

Cheers for considering!

JDBF

[Jamesdeanbadfingers]

Any chance of cheerleaders and streakers (female?)



JDBF

[meatman]

Yeh I think it will now be a good idea to allow tipsters to pick from the same game as their opponents.

As an example match, Lyon v Marseille. If your oppoent has aready picked 'Marseille win' then you would be free to pick Lyon or Draw.

I also don't have any problem with tipsters going against each other on the over / under market in the same match (one picks under 2.5, one picks over)

The real question is whether to allow something like this:- If someone had already picked Marseille win, do you think it would be acceptable for the opponent to pick over / under 2.5 goals?

Obviously in this scenario it would be possible for both tipsters to win their pick in the same match. However personally I would be tempted to allow this sort of thing because 1X2 and Over/under are separate markets.

But I would be interested to hear opinions.