The Old Firm Thread

[AJ]

Originally Posted by ScottishBhoy87

Think its even sadder you know the 'Fred and Rose West' story to be honest

Why wouldn't I ? It was a fairly big news story.

Anyway, lets give it a rest for tonight guys.

We're just going round and round in circles

[meatman]

Originally Posted by AJ

Old firm fans bashing each other for being "Scotlands Shame", it's like watching an arguement between Fred and Rose West about the best way to look after kids.

If it wasn't so sad, it'd be funny.

honestly I've gotta say the same here. I've known fierce rivalries and spats in a lot of places, but this is absolutely pathetic.

dear dear me

[theboybroon]

Originally Posted by Bell_1988

You're a f*ucking moron mate you really are. This is a horrible and pathetic attempt at point scoring from frankly the most narrow minded bigoted prick I've ever had the misfortune of dealing with.

I think we are all agreed that this was truely a dark time in Celtic's history, a time which I think all concerned would quickly like to forget and not be reminded of everytime the scum section of the rangers support continue with their "vile and repugnant campaign" against a Scottish footballing icon.

It is the fact that over 30 years since this abhorrent scandal occurred at Celtic that the Rangers support still take great joy from what happenned which truely shows them to be SCOTLANDS SHAME. It is the fact that instead of consigning this disgrace to the past and move on from it, they would rather sing songs make jokes about child abuse which truely shows these bas*ards to be SCOTLANDS SHAME. It is the fact that Rangers fans feel it to be appropiate to make Nazi salutes in Israel during a European match which shows them to be SCOTLANDS SHAME. It is the fact that the only reason this "vile and repugnant campaign" has surfaced is because they have been forced to refrain (albeit not totally successfully) from singing their songs of bigotry and hatred which truely shows them to be SCOTLANDS SHAME. It is the fact that in the face of the realisation that this country abhors this "vile and repugnant campaign" that they move onto singing racist songs at Celtic Park which truely shows these fans to be SCOTLANDS SHAME. It is the fact that many bigoted Rangers fans are offended by a player making a gesture of his faith which shows them as being SCOTLANDS SHAME.

RFC = SCOTLANDS SHAME

I could go on and on but frankly I'm bored, I hate spending time on bigots like you. You really are a sad and pitiful excuse for a human being. Its just a pitiful attempt to wind us up since you cant handle the fact that you're 5 points back after today.

MODS have a look at this guy and take some action, the guys nothing but a tosser.

Do you really think the sun shine's out celtic fans arses??
When you grow up wee man you might realise that both sides are as bad as each other.
I could dig up dirt on your lot like your fellow cretin sb likes to do with links etc(richard gough for starters) but whats the Fcuckin point.
But my original post was not about the fans, it was about your club and what happened for all those years ago at cfc.
As for consinging this to the past and moving on, well It might not be so easy for the victims,whereas if the people who were in charge of cfc had spoken we wouldn't be having this pathetic debate.

Don't dish it out if you can't handle a bit in return

[jolly67]

[ScottishBhoy87]

Originally Posted by AJ

Why wouldn't I ? It was a fairly big news story.

Anyway, lets give it a rest for tonight guys.

We're just going round and round in circles

Was it not you that started this 'old firm banter thread'? And now your telling us to give it a rest..?

[ScottishBhoy87]

Originally Posted by meatman

honestly I've gotta say the same here. I've known fierce rivalries and spats in a lot of places, but this is absolutely pathetic.

dear dear me

No one forces you to read it mate, was one of your fellow mods who started the banter thread for old firm fans to have some banter!

[ScottishBhoy87]

Originally Posted by theboybroon

Do you really think the sun shine's out celtic fans arses??
When you grow up wee man you might realise that both sides are as bad as each other.
I could dig up dirt on your lot like your fellow cretin sb likes to do with links etc(richard gough for starters) but whats the Fcuckin point.
But my original post was not about the fans, it was about your club and what happened for all those years ago at cfc.
As for consinging this to the past and moving on, well It might not be so easy for the victims,whereas if the people who were in charge of cfc had spoken we wouldn't be having this pathetic debate.

Don't dish it out if you can't handle a bit in return

Who you calling a cretin you wee dirty, bigoted fu*k!


Away and piss off to FF forum or something, we dont want your kind here!

And in relation to 'whats the point in the youtube link', the point of it you thick fu*k is to show what a shower of arseholes some of your mob truly are!

[ScottishBhoy87]

Originally Posted by jolly67

SUPERB, HAIL HAIL

[Bell End]

Originally Posted by AJ

Old firm fans bashing each other for being "Scotlands Shame", it's like watching an arguement between Fred and Rose West about the best way to look after kids.

If it wasn't so sad, it'd be funny.

the whole Scotlands shame thing started last Wednesday really when Celtic fans who were sick of the abuse directed at them concerning their greatest ever manager created a banner with a big arrow pointing to the Rangers fans with the words "SCOTLANDS SHAME" beside it. It is quite possibly the funniest thing I've ever seen at a football game. Funniest thing about it was that half of the Rangers fans coulndt see it . The conduct of the Rangers fans sometimes really must be questioned, I'm well aware Celtic have their morons as well and they should be identified and eradicated by the club but the lows some of these guys go to from the Rangers side is quite sick sometimes.

[ScottishBhoy87]

Originally Posted by Bell_1988

the whole Scotlands shame thing started last Wednesday really when Celtic fans who were sick of the abuse directed at them concerning their greatest ever manager created a banner with a big arrow pointing to the Rangers fans with the words "SCOTLANDS SHAME" beside it. It is quite possibly the funniest thing I've ever seen at a football game. Funniest thing about it was that half of the Rangers fans coulndt see it . The conduct of the Rangers fans sometimes really must be questioned, I'm well aware Celtic have their morons as well and they should be identified and eradicated by the club but the lows some of these guys go to from the Rangers side is quite sick sometimes.

You not raging this wee idiot has the audacity to call US 'cretin's' mate??

[Bell End]

Originally Posted by ScottishBhoy87

You not raging this wee idiot has the audacity to call US 'cretin's' mate??

I know mate, the fact this idiot has the sheer audacity to label either of us a "cretin" speaks volumes for his intelligence. The guy thinks its appropiate to make fun of a serious child abuse scandal which should be consigned to the past, the victims given the support needed to move on with their lives, and this incident should never be spoken of again. Unfortunately within some sections of the Rangers support this appears to be impossible for them to comprehend. A sad reflection on the West of Scotland culture that such a topic is used as "point scoring" material. I wouldnt worry about the wee bigot mate though, cretin appears to be the only insult he knows!

[mowgli77]

I think it's gone beyond banter on here and is just getting into personal insults, wouldn't surprise me to see this thread locked before long and probably for the best if it does.

[ScottishBhoy87]

Originally Posted by mowgli77

I think it's gone beyond banter on here and is just getting into personal insults, wouldn't surprise me to see this thread locked before long and probably for the best if it does.

I would agree with that, maybe stop me gettin insulted as being a 'cretin' off someone who doesnt even know me

[alexmac]

OMG... This is really getting out of hand now I am afraid.

Theboybroon. I would have to say I think you need to calm it down a bit. Please cut out any personal insults and anything that could be deemed bigoted. I don't care who posts bigoted stuff - blue or green members. They will be banned.

At the end of the day, the PL is a betting forum, where we are all here to make some cash and share stories/advise etc. It is not a place to throw personal insults around.

I really do think some people need to remember this. There do seem to be a few members here who are simply here for a wind up, absolutely no posting in the betting threads and then ripping into people in here. That is not on.

Please can we sort it out.

This thread is making both sides of the Old Firm look like fcuking idiots. To the outsiders here it must be getting beyond a joke, and it is getting stupid.

[alexmac]

As for the game yesterday...

Having had time to reflect on the game, I can say that I am proud of how Rangers played. I do not think Celtic were the better team yesterday, and I am sure CFC fans would agree there. We all know that in football teams get decisions given for them, and given against them. IMO, yesterday was Celtic's day for the decisions. Rangers have had their days in the past my I add. The first goal was offside. Pure and simple. But the goal stand, no arguement. Rangers go on to take the lead through 2 very soft goals, very unlike Celtic to concede like that. I was thinking it was happy days at this point. Celtic's second goals was well worked, and well taken - but I cannot say it was deserved.

The penalty... Yeah, it was a penalty. I can honestly say, and I have said so since Hutton's departure - Kirk Broadfoot is simply not upto the level needed to be Rangers' starting right back - he looked out of his depth yesterday and gave away a needless penalty. I still thought we had a 3rd goal in us - but it was not to be.

Whittaker is a silly boy for getting his second yellow in the 93rd, absolutely no need and I hope Walter Smith has laid into him.

Boruc did not need to provoke any sort of reaction after the game. I know, and respect, the fact that he is a practicing Roman Catholic. But his little stunt was simply not necessary. His team had won the match, and by displaying his t-shirt all he has done is risk a punishment from the SFA (rightly or wrongly - it isn't for me to say). He doesn't do himself any favours though does he?

For the record - I do not believe he was prosecuted for crossing himself. He was prosecuted for making gestures at Rangers fans.

There is one point I need to raise however...

It is the fact that Rangers fans feel it to be appropiate to make Nazi salutes in Israel during a European match which shows them to be SCOTLANDS SHAME

I have not seen this, and I do not believe this to be true. At Ibrox each week there are a number of Israeli flags on display, some fans feel an affinity with the Israelis... not me may I add... and I very much doubt whether Nazi salutes were displayed in Israel.

[ScottishBhoy87]

Originally Posted by alexmac

OMG... This is really getting out of hand now I am afraid.

Theboybroon. I would have to say I think you need to calm it down a bit. Please cut out any personal insults and anything that could be deemed bigoted. I don't care who posts bigoted stuff - blue or green members. They will be banned.

At the end of the day, the PL is a betting forum, where we are all here to make some cash and share stories/advise etc. It is not a place to throw personal insults around.

I really do think some people need to remember this. There do seem to be a few members here who are simply here for a wind up, absolutely no posting in the betting threads and then ripping into people in here. That is not on.

Please can we sort it out.

This thread is making both sides of the Old Firm look like fcuking idiots. To the outsiders here it must be getting beyond a joke, and it is getting stupid.

[ScottishBhoy87]

Originally Posted by alexmac

As for the game yesterday...

Having had time to reflect on the game, I can say that I am proud of how Rangers played. I do not think Celtic were the better team yesterday, and I am sure CFC fans would agree there. We all know that in football teams get decisions given for them, and given against them. IMO, yesterday was Celtic's day for the decisions. Rangers have had their days in the past my I add. The first goal was offside. Pure and simple. But the goal stand, no arguement. Rangers go on to take the lead through 2 very soft goals, very unlike Celtic to concede like that. I was thinking it was happy days at this point. Celtic's second goals was well worked, and well taken - but I cannot say it was deserved.

The penalty... Yeah, it was a penalty. I can honestly say, and I have said so since Hutton's departure - Kirk Broadfoot is simply not upto the level needed to be Rangers' starting right back - he looked out of his depth yesterday and gave away a needless penalty. I still thought we had a 3rd goal in us - but it was not to be.

Whittaker is a silly boy for getting his second yellow in the 93rd, absolutely no need and I hope Walter Smith has laid into him.

Boruc did not need to provoke any sort of reaction after the game. I know, and respect, the fact that he is a practicing Roman Catholic. But his little stunt was simply not necessary. His team had won the match, and by displaying his t-shirt all he has done is risk a punishment from the SFA (rightly or wrongly - it isn't for me to say). He doesn't do himself any favours though does he?

For the record - I do not believe he was prosecuted for crossing himself. He was prosecuted for making gestures at Rangers fans.

There is one point I need to raise however...



I have not seen this, and I do not believe this to be true. At Ibrox each week there are a number of Israeli flags on display, some fans feel an affinity with the Israelis... not me may I add... and I very much doubt whether Nazi salutes were displayed in Israel.

Alex agree with some of your points here and disagree with some others (the points highlighted).

1stly .... Rangers had the better of the first 35-40 minutes, no question about that, however I do feel Celtic done more than enough in the second half to deserve to take all three points...Rangers players looked shattered and this may have have a massive impact on the outcome of the game but I tohught Celtic played reasonably well in the second half and deserved to win.

2ndly, Have you been watching Celtic lately...? We have lost an incredible amount of soft goals this year, its the main reason we are in the position we are in.

3rdly, I dont necesserly disagree with you here, I just thought Id point out that I have no opinion on this matter at all except, the display of this t-shirt IMO should not wind anyone who is not a bigot up......Its not slagging anyone off, he is purely wearing this because he practices the reliegion, do you really believe this would have had the same impact in any of country....no chance....its sad I know.


Anyway, I agree this thread has been getting out of hand and I you for pulling up 'theboybroon' for his foolish and insulting comments. Well done!

[alexmac]

3rdly, I dont necesserly disagree with you here, I just thought Id point out that I have no opinion on this matter at all except, the display of this t-shirt IMO should not wind anyone who is not a bigot up......Its not slagging anyone off, he is purely wearing this because he practices the reliegion, do you really believe this would have had the same impact in any of country....no chance....its sad I know.

I appreciate what you are saying mate. But the fact is that he did do this to provoke a reaction, lets not beat about the bush here. I would say it would be equally inflammatory if Barry Ferguson had stripped off to reveal a picture of the Queen Mother!!! (if you get my analogy...?!)

[Bell End]

Originally Posted by alexmac

As for the game yesterday...

Having had time to reflect on the game, I can say that I am proud of how Rangers played. I do not think Celtic were the better team yesterday, and I am sure CFC fans would agree there. We all know that in football teams get decisions given for them, and given against them. IMO, yesterday was Celtic's day for the decisions. Rangers have had their days in the past my I add. The first goal was offside. Pure and simple. But the goal stand, no arguement. Rangers go on to take the lead through 2 very soft goals, very unlike Celtic to concede like that. I was thinking it was happy days at this point. Celtic's second goals was well worked, and well taken - but I cannot say it was deserved.

The penalty... Yeah, it was a penalty. I can honestly say, and I have said so since Hutton's departure - Kirk Broadfoot is simply not upto the level needed to be Rangers' starting right back - he looked out of his depth yesterday and gave away a needless penalty. I still thought we had a 3rd goal in us - but it was not to be.

Whittaker is a silly boy for getting his second yellow in the 93rd, absolutely no need and I hope Walter Smith has laid into him.

Boruc did not need to provoke any sort of reaction after the game. I know, and respect, the fact that he is a practicing Roman Catholic. But his little stunt was simply not necessary. His team had won the match, and by displaying his t-shirt all he has done is risk a punishment from the SFA (rightly or wrongly - it isn't for me to say). He doesn't do himself any favours though does he?

For the record - I do not believe he was prosecuted for crossing himself. He was prosecuted for making gestures at Rangers fans.

There is one point I need to raise however...



I have not seen this, and I do not believe this to be true. At Ibrox each week there are a number of Israeli flags on display, some fans feel an affinity with the Israelis... not me may I add... and I very much doubt whether Nazi salutes were displayed in Israel.

Fair assessment Alex, I would however argue the point with regards to Celtic not being the better side. I would say that there wasnt much between the sides but Celtic deservedly edged it. Rangers I think created one real opportunity the entire match apart from their goals through Novo whilst Celtic had many chances, naka freekick, big jan waiting half an hour when through on goal, robson hitting post etc. I would argue that if Celtic had not score do early in the game then they would not have felt so inclined to sit back and defend their lead, thus giving the impression that Rangers were by far the better side. If Celtic were still in need of a goal I personally feel that they would have pushed forward in a manner similar to the first old firm game.

Two shocking goals for us to concede, would never have hapenned under Martin O'Neill with the likes of Balde Mjallby and Valgaren in the back line. Our weakness at centre half in the air is something which I highlighted for a long time, in the past this used to be one of our strong points. Cousin I thought had a great game, won the majority of balls played up to him and took his goal well (albeit didnt have much to do considering the woeful marking due to strachan insisting of sticking with his zonal marking approach)

Controversial incidents. McDonald goal marginally off in my opinion, however I would hasten to add that the latest fifa directive with regards to the offside law is that there must be clear daylight between attacker and defender for offside to be given. If this is in doubt the benefit must be given to the attacker. It could be argued that this was the linesmans interpretation thus the reason for allowing the goal to stand.

McDonald Penalty- stonewall for me. McDonald clearly plays for it but was extremely clever to expose Broadfoot's inexperience and naievity to get his body in the way inviting the clumsy foul in the box. Personally I felt that Broadfoot was fortunate the ref didnt send him off, he appeared to be the last man thus stopping a clear goalscoring opportunity but again this is debateable.

Big Jan's tackle on faye - Had to laugh when I seen this challenge. My interpretation is that JVOH raises his boot to try and take control of the ball, not to kick Faye in the stomach. It's just unfortunate that Faye came charging in to head the ball clear and in the process Jan's boot made serious contact with Fayes stomach. I think it looked worse than it was. Definite booking imo. Lucky it wasnt a nutcase of a ref who would have shown a straight red.

Whittaker sending off - had to go. Two clear bookable offences. Stupid really to make such a rash challenge on naka so late in the game when already on a booking. Only gives Smith more problems for the run-in.

Boruc t-shirt - I've already gave my opinions on the matter. Didnt feel it was appropiate but it is in no way offensive. The only people who would be offended by such a t-shirt are bigots. The fact that Boruc has been labelled a bigot in some quarters of the press only speaks volumes of the sectarian problem which unfortunately still lies within Scotland. If there us any action taken by the SFA it will be nothing short of a disgrace and I would be truelly disgusted should any disciplinary action come of this gesture.

[theboybroon]

Originally Posted by mowgli77

I think it's gone beyond banter on here and is just getting into personal insults, wouldn't surprise me to see this thread locked before long and probably for the best if it does.

I would be more than happy with that.