The Old Firm Thread

[ScottishBhoy87]

Originally Posted by alexmac

Are you actually having a laugh? It is a fact that Scotland's NATIONAL anthem is God Save the Queen. Controversial as it may be, it is true. If you had the sense then you would go and check that up...



This makes me laugh. As a matter of fact, I am a teacher - yup, and I teach some Economics, yup. So, if you really want me to go onto a diatribe about how, and why Scotland would fail as an independent state then I would be more than willing.

I am 'afraid', as I would not like to see my home nation fall into dis-repair, which is what would eventually happen. Obviously it is an EXTREME comparison, but you just need to look at the Eastern bloc, ex Soviet countries to see what kind of thing may well happen if Westminster was to pull out all funding to Scotland.

From a political viewpoint, I would not want to see Scotland as an Independent state, as in the long run, it would be a failure.

Ok Mr Economist, tell me, why would Scotland fail.? They have the rights to many areas of North Sea Oil and believe it or not in Aberdeen there are billions of pounds being invested by large multi national companies whom see Aberdeen as there home for renewable energy programs not to mention the millions that North Sea Gas generates every year.


Do you have any idea how many millions Scotland have to give to England each year??

You also mention many ex soviet countries whom have failed at the independance thing, you seemed to have forgotton independent states closer to home who have thrived since gaining independence, namley Norway, Sweden, Denmark and of course Ireland, tell me if these countries with smaller populations and less natural resources can live without the mighty westminster why couldnt Scotland.?

[Rule Britannia]

Originally Posted by alexmac

You are treating me like I am an idiot. I know that GSTQ isn't sang at Scotland Internationals, I have been to enough in my time.

But the fact is that GSTQ is the official anthem of the UK, and therefore Scotland.

Argue it all you like my friend, it is however, a fact.

Neither Scotand or England have an "official" National Anthem but the Offiial National Anthem that serves them collectively is God Save The Queen.

Thats a FACT

[alexmac]

Yup original suspicions are right. Complete bigot and any mods with any sense should get rid of this clown.

I take that to be a dig at me...?

Don't worry. Rangers fans have been banned from here before - and I am sure that they will be again in the future.

[ScottishBhoy87]

Originally Posted by R & R

right.

So you argue about how Celtic are Scottish etc.... yet their main song is Irish based.... The club itself has Irish Roots.

Then you talk about how Rangers arent Scottish, as they are proud of their British Identity and sing two songs that are "ENGLISH".

Something smells quite hypocritical to me.....

Celtic was founded by an Irish man, hence its Irish roots, there would be no Celtic without any connections to Ireland, FACT. Thats why so many decent Celts pay tribute to Ireland.

[Rule Britannia]

Originally Posted by ScottishBhoy87

Celtic was founded by an Irish man, hence its Irish roots, there would be no Celtic without any connections to Ireland, FACT. Thats why so many decent Celts pay tribute to Ireland.

So many that the club has no British identity.

[Bell End]

Originally Posted by alexmac

You are treating me like I am an idiot. I know that GSTQ isn't sang at Scotland Internationals, I have been to enough in my time.

But the fact is that GSTQ is the official anthem of the UK, and therefore Scotland.

Argue it all you like my friend, it is however, a fact.

The reason I'm treating you like an idiot, is because frankly you are coming across as a bit of an idiot. There is no-one I know, whether they be celtic rangers aberdeen hibs fcuk even dumbarton, who classes God Save the Queen as the Scottish national anthem. If you had the choice of singing GSTQ of Flower at Scotland as the national anthem mate what would you choose?

[Bell End]

Originally Posted by alexmac

I take that to be a dig at me...?

Don't worry. Rangers fans have been banned from here before - and I am sure that they will be again in the future.

No alex, not a dig at you. A dig at that tool theboybroon.

[Bell End]

Originally Posted by R & R

So many that the club has no British identity.

The club has primarily a scottish identity.

[Rule Britannia]

Originally Posted by Bell_1988

The reason I'm treating you like an idiot, is because frankly you are coming across as a bit of an idiot. There is no-one I know, whether they be celtic rangers aberdeen hibs fcuk even dumbarton, who classes God Save the Queen as the Scottish national anthem. If you had the choice of singing GSTQ of Flower at Scotland as the national anthem mate what would you choose?

No-one you know??? Doesnt say much for knowledge of fats then???

As I have already presented the facts of the actual national anthem and not the unofficial versions....

Like it or not chaps, God Save The Queen is the OFFICIAL anthem of the UK and as long as our country emains part of the UK it always will be.

[Rule Britannia]

Originally Posted by Bell_1988

The club has primarily a scottish identity.

Only on the surface.....

[Bell End]

Originally Posted by R & R

No-one you know??? Doesnt say much for knowledge of fats then???

As I have already presented the facts of the actual national anthem and not the unofficial versions....

Like it or not chaps, God Save The Queen is the OFFICIAL anthem of the UK and as long as our country emains part of the UK it always will be.

Answer me this then, if you had the choice of the two what would you go for?

[Bell End]

Originally Posted by R & R

Only on the surface.....

Get a grip mate

[alexmac]

Ok Mr Economist, tell me, why would Scotland fail.? They have the rights to many areas of North Sea Oil and believe it or not in Aberdeen there are billions of pounds being invested by large multi national companies whom see Aberdeen as there home for renewable energy programs not to mention the millions that North Sea Gas generates every year.


Do you have any idea how many millions Scotland have to give to England each year??

You also mention many ex soviet countries whom have failed at the independance thing, you seemed to have forgotton independent states closer to home who have thrived since gaining independence, namley Norway, Sweden, Denmark and of course Ireland, tell me if these countries with smaller populations and less natural resources can live without the mighty westminster why couldnt Scotland.?

You are like a child.

If you read my post again - I say Scotland would fail in the long term.

Oil and natural gas are what you call NON-RENEWABLE resources. I'll put it in child speak for you - one day they will run out.

If you want to get me started in detail then I will. Basically, Scotland's oil money has already been badly invested, and this has led to Scotland being WELL behind in terms of economic development when compared to other countries who have found themselves in a similar position. That means they would ALWAYS be behind in these stakes - and thus fail (or struggle) to attract any meaningful foreign investment.

Also, Politically this time, Scotland would not be a recognised member of NATO, G8 or The UN Security Council. As a result of this, Scotland would need to produce its own Army, Navy and Airforce. And to the nigh on impossible task of being allowed to join the aforementioned groups of countries.

By the way, you seem to have taken it on yourself to presume I am against Scottish Independence... Again, if you read through my posts I have never said that. I am equally able to give some reasons for Independence. However, IMO - professionally, Scotland would struggle. We could argue this till the cows come home mate. I am simply pointing at one or two bits of information for you...

[ScottishBhoy87]

Originally Posted by R & R

No-one you know??? Doesnt say much for knowledge of fats then???

As I have already presented the facts of the actual national anthem and not the unofficial versions....

Like it or not chaps, God Save The Queen is the OFFICIAL anthem of the UK and as long as our country emains part of the UK it always will be.

Sure its the official anthem, however seriously how many "Scots" ( not Rangers fans ) do you know or think would be willing to sing this..?

[Rule Britannia]

Originally Posted by ScottishBhoy87

Sure its the official anthem, however seriously how many "Scots" ( not Rangers fans ) do you know or think would be willing to sing this..?

go to google

type in scotland unofficial anthem.


and Bell, when watching my country of course I will sing Flower of Scotland. Doesnt stop me from having the knowledge that GSTQ is the UK anthem.

[ScottishBhoy87]

Originally Posted by alexmac

You are like a child.

If you read my post again - I say Scotland would fail in the long term.

Oil and natural gas are what you call NON-RENEWABLE resources. I'll put it in child speak for you - one day they will run out.

If you want to get me started in detail then I will. Basically, Scotland's oil money has already been badly invested, and this has led to Scotland being WELL behind in terms of economic development when compared to other countries who have found themselves in a similar position. That means they would ALWAYS be behind in these stakes - and thus fail (or struggle) to attract any meaningful foreign investment.

Also, Politically this time, Scotland would not be a recognised member of NATO, G8 or The UN Security Council. As a result of this, Scotland would need to produce its own Army, Navy and Airforce. And to the nigh on impossible task of being allowed to join the aforementioned groups of countries.

By the way, you seem to have taken it on yourself to presume I am against Scottish Independence... Again, if you read through my posts I have never said that. I am equally able to give some reasons for Independence. However, IMO - professionally, Scotland would struggle. We could argue this till the cows come home mate. I am simply pointing at one or two bits of information for you...

Trust me you do not need to point anything out to me, I study this and has my father.

I am acting like a child..? Says you who repeatedly says GSTQ is our national anthem.....ok

Also your speakin garbage about Scotlands resources running out in the near future, recent figures suggest that Scotlands oil has at least, AT LEAST 80 years left, and as I have mentioned with the amount of investment going on in Aberdeen by muti national companies ( e.g. Shell ) into renewable resources, I am positive there will be some break through within this estimated 80 year time slot. Not to mention North Sea Gas.

But ok, IF Scotlands resources failed and ran out, how does the Republic of Ireland manage to be so successfull in an independant state..? Sweden...? Denmark..??

And in relation to your UN argument, Scotland have been part of the UN since its existance, if they became an independant country they would still have connections with the parliment of the UK and would therefore still be accepted as a UN country, If however we became a republic then yes we would have to re apply for UN acceptance.

And would we really want to be part of G8, dont think our Scottish soldiers are too keen on gettin sent to the next oil rich country Mr Bush fancies to take over.

[ScottishBhoy87]

Originally Posted by R & R

go to google

type in scotland unofficial anthem.


and Bell, when watching my country of course I will sing Flower of Scotland. Doesnt stop me from having the knowledge that GSTQ is the UK anthem.

Go to my question and answer it

[Rule Britannia]

Originally Posted by ScottishBhoy87

Trust me you do not need to point anything out to me, I study this and has my father.

I am acting like a child..? Says you who repeatedly says GSTQ is our national anthem.....ok

Also your speakin garbage about Scotlands resources running out in the near future, recent figures suggest that Scotlands oil has at least, AT LEAST 80 years left, and as I have mentioned with the amount of investment going on in Aberdeen by muti national companies ( e.g. Shell ) into renewable resources, I am positive there will be some break through within this estimated 80 year time slot. Not to mention North Sea Gas.

But ok, IF Scotlands resources failed and ran out, how does the Republic of Ireland manage to be so successfull in an independant state..? Sweden...? Denmark..??

And in relation to your UN argument, Scotland have been part of the UN since its existance, if they became an independant country they would still have connections with the parliment of the UK and would therefore still be accepted as a UN country, If however we became a republic then yes we would have to re apply for UN acceptance.

And would we really want to be part of G8, dont think our Scottish soldiers are too keen on gettin sent to the next oil rich country Mr Bush fancies to take over.

Were/ae you ever in the Army?

[ScottishBhoy87]

Originally Posted by R & R

Were/ae you ever in the Army?

No why?

[Bell End]

I never questioned your knowledge of the subject, the question I asked was what do you consider the Scottish anthem to be because as far as I'm aware although GSTQ is the Brittish anthem it is considered by many to represent mainly the English national anthem.