The Old Firm Thread

[Bell End]

Never hid the fact that we are PISH!! Just annoys me when Rangers fans think they are a gd team. The fact of the matter is that Rangers have bn less pish than us this year. Two of the worst sides the old firm have seen for a long long time.

I personally feel that Sporting away aside, Rangers have carried a fair amount of luck to get to this stage, I would imagine that a team used to defensive tactics such as Fiorentina should be able to get the job done over two legs. Majority of fans aint happy, ffs you've bn booed off the park for the more than half of your home european games this year. Probably safe to chalk up one more come Thursday night.

FORZA FIORENTINA!!

[R & R]

Originally Posted by Bell_1988

In my opinion Rangers are indeed a far poorer side without the wee ned which is Ferguson. Even when he is not playing well, his presence in the side seems to have an effect on those around him. The team as a whole are a far inferior outfit without him, couple this with the fact that thomson who partners him in the midfield will also miss the game I feel that there is a strong possibility that Fiorentina will win on Thursday night.

Smith will probably forget he is at home in a European tie again and play his usual 4-1-4-1 looking to not concede rather than take a lead to Florence and for once I would love to see these anti-football tactics punished by a team with some quality.

Loving to see them punished would have nothing to do with the faxt its Rangers eh??

Now, as for the tactics deployed, as I stated earlier, Smith knows his side are not good enough to win playing "The Beautiful Game", and adapts so suit the occasion. Strachan on the other hand believes his side are, and gets punished for playing the Beautiful Game.

Now, what would you rather??? Team losing by going for it, or team winning by playing a more gutsy determined game??? Know what Id rather see.. and its paying dividends this season so far....

[R & R]

Originally Posted by Bell_1988

Never hid the fact that we are PISH!! Just annoys me when Rangers fans think they are a gd team. The fact of the matter is that Rangers have bn less pish than us this year. Two of the worst sides the old firm have seen for a long long time.

I personally feel that Sporting away aside, Rangers have carried a fair amount of luck to get to this stage, I would imagine that a team used to defensive tactics such as Fiorentina should be able to get the job done over two legs. Majority of fans aint happy, ffs you've bn booed off the park for the more than half of your home european games this year. Probably safe to chalk up one more come Thursday night.

FORZA FIORENTINA!!

haha

Bitter.....

Only word I can use....

[stuart]

Originally Posted by alexmac

Yes I am. As are the majority of fans. They get the results. I would rather us 'bore' our way to UEFA Cup success then get smashed in the 3rd round because we played 433.

If this is the worst team to ever (possibly) win a treble, then what exactly does that say about the state of your team at the moment...?

Just to confirm that alex is not in the minority of fans here. I am perfectly happy with walters tactics in europe. I personally would be angry if we played a stupidly open game against qualtiy teams as we would have been put out long ago.

And to say that the reason rangers are succeeding because of how poor celtic are this year is rediculous. When rangers were pish last year celtic still enjoyed winning a double. And, anyway, celtic are not that poor a side; last 16 of the champions league, player of the year nominations (and wins) it seems more like sour grapes to me...

[Bell End]

You better believe its to do with the "faxt" its Rangers. To be fair, you must remember we got knocked out by Barcelona. Some would argue that with the players at their disposal they should be the best side in the world. We gave them a real scare at Parkhead, twice, and it was only down to the fact that Barcelona were truely awsome in the second half which denied us of realistically being in the tie come our trip to the Camp Nou. So I think its safe to say your comparison of both teams in Europe this year are way off the mark.

[Bell End]

Originally Posted by R & R

haha

Bitter.....

Only word I can use....

I've said you can call me bitter if you want and it wont bother me. try to keep up

[stuart]

Why? We got a point at home against barcelona, using 'negative' tactics. Celtic got nothing, using 'positive' tactics.

Its a results buisness and on that comparison only rangers got anything close to a result.

[Bell End]

Originally Posted by stuart

Just to confirm that alex is not in the minority of fans here. I am perfectly happy with walters tactics in europe. I personally would be angry if we played a stupidly open game against qualtiy teams as we would have been put out long ago.

And to say that the reason rangers are succeeding because of how poor celtic are this year is rediculous. When rangers were pish last year celtic still enjoyed winning a double. And, anyway, celtic are not that poor a side; last 16 of the champions league, player of the year nominations (and wins) it seems more like sour grapes to me...

Look it may sound as sour grapes, but look at celtics results this season. The only reason Rangers are in such a dominating position is because Celtic have fcuked up in so many games in which they should have won. Tynecastle (last min needless pen conceded) Caley (2-0 up only to throw it away to lose 3-2) now thats just for starters. In seasons gone by those 2 games would not have ended the way they have done this year thus theres a theoretical 5 point turnaround which would be enough were we to win our remaining fixtures. Celtic have thrown this league away, and Rangers are a poor side of both points there can be no question.

[R & R]

Originally Posted by Bell_1988

You better believe its to do with the "faxt" its Rangers. To be fair, you must remember we got knocked out by Barcelona. Some would argue that with the players at their disposal they should be the best side in the world. We gave them a real scare at Parkhead, twice, and it was only down to the fact that Barcelona were truely awsome in the second half which denied us of realistically being in the tie come our trip to the Camp Nou. So I think its safe to say your comparison of both teams in Europe this year are way off the mark.

Not far off at all mate.

We were knocked out the Champions League by Barcelona and Lyon, 2 of Europes elite teams, and Im sure I would be correct in saying, we more than held our own in the group until 1 disastrous performance.

On the other hand..... You qualified with AC Milan (outstanding side tbh) against teams of Benfica and Shakhtar's quality..... hardly in Barcelona and Lyon's league now is it?

As for the Camp Nou.... Barelona could have picked you off @ will, but quite literally stopped playing after they scored, and looking at your away European record, you were hardly gonna be in the tie anyways.

[R & R]

Originally Posted by Bell_1988

I've said you can call me bitter if you want and it wont bother me. try to keep up

Didnt say it to bother you mate. Said it as its the only word that springs to mind....

[Bell End]

Originally Posted by stuart

Why? We got a point at home against barcelona, using 'negative' tactics. Celtic got nothing, using 'positive' tactics.

Its a results buisness and on that comparison only rangers got anything close to a result.

Totally different scenarios. Rangers got a point in a group system after winning away in Lyon so knew the could afford to take only a point against barca and still probably go through the group stages (oops). Celtic played them in a knockout H&A format so had to press the game to try and take some sort of advantage to the Nou Camp. In doing so they created a truelly awesome game, played some great stuff at times and came out of the game with a lot of credit. The comparisons between the two scenarios arent totally fair.

[R & R]

Originally Posted by Bell_1988

Look it may sound as sour grapes, but look at celtics results this season. The only reason Rangers are in such a dominating position is because Celtic have fcuked up in so many games in which they should have won. Tynecastle (last min needless pen conceded) Caley (2-0 up only to throw it away to lose 3-2) now thats just for starters. In seasons gone by those 2 games would not have ended the way they have done this year thus theres a theoretical 5 point turnaround which would be enough were we to win our remaining fixtures. Celtic have thrown this league away, and Rangers are a poor side of both points there can be no question.

Celtic have played at the same level they played last season, the league table tell you that...... but Rangers have progressed faster than they could have hoped for.

Faster than Celtic could have thought either, and Im sure it will cost that wee Ginger Twat his job. He is no match for Smith, over the long haul.

Only reason we were so sh!te last season, was the employment and the poor adaptability of John-Paul Le Guen.

[R & R]

Originally Posted by Bell_1988

Totally different scenarios. Rangers got a point in a group system after winning away in Lyon so knew the could afford to take only a point against barca and still probably go through the group stages (oops). Celtic played them in a knockout H&A format so had to press the game to try and take some sort of advantage to the Nou Camp. In doing so they created a truelly awesome game, played some great stuff at times and came out of the game with a lot of credit. The comparisons between the two scenarios arent totally fair.

Rangers were never going to set out to beat Barcelona in an attacking fashion, regardless of the result in France.

I personally was not for the parachute into the UEFA up but it was there, so why not use it?? and to make things clear, I have no doubt that we would have advanced from your group as well.....

[Bell End]

Originally Posted by stuart

Just to confirm that alex is not in the minority of fans here. I am perfectly happy with walters tactics in europe. I personally would be angry if we played a stupidly open game against qualtiy teams as we would have been put out long ago.

And to say that the reason rangers are succeeding because of how poor celtic are this year is rediculous. When rangers were pish last year celtic still enjoyed winning a double. And, anyway, celtic are not that poor a side; last 16 of the champions league, player of the year nominations (and wins) it seems more like sour grapes to me...

Sorry stuart but by the sounds of the crowd for 3 of your last 4 European home games I would say you are in the minority. OK in most cases you redeemed yourself in the away leg but the onus should usually be on the home team to take an advantage to defend for the away second leg. Even I'll admit we carried our luck a wee bit to make it to the last 16, why wont Rangers fans admit the same with regards to their european exploits this season?

[alexmac]

It seems that it is a total waste of time trying to reason with the majority of Celtic fans on here. Rangers have played some good football this year - fact. They have adapted to get the job done - fact. They have scored 2 fewer goals that Celtic (three games in hand) - fact.

There are actually Celtic fans on here who admit that their team is 'pish', just to get a dig in at Rangers. That makes me laugh fcuking hard that does! Total sour grapes all round I would say.

As for Fiorentina's new supporters here - all I can say is, get a life. Much ad I hate to admit it, if Celtic were the only 'Scottish' team left in Europe, I would be siding for them - anyday. After all, the better Scottish teams do in Europe the better the co-efficient etc.

Total immaturity to be supporting the Italians IMO.

[Bell End]

Originally Posted by R & R

Rangers were never going to set out to beat Barcelona in an attacking fashion, regardless of the result in France.

I personally was not for the parachute into the UEFA up but it was there, so why not use it?? and to make things clear, I have no doubt that we would have advanced from your group as well.....

If Rangers were in a position where they had to win the game, they would have bn forced to play differently. Look at the way celtic have taken on their home games in the cl for years. Not once have they played for anything less than a win. We know we are nowhere near the level of some of these sides but if we get anything less than a win everyone connected with the club is disappointed. Rangers were happy with their point because of what happenned in Lyon.

I have nothing against the parachute to the Uefa cup, in fact some of our greatest eurpoean victories have came because of that (ko barca 1-0 in 04 I think) but I think we would both agree that we would rather qualify from the group stages of the cl than fall into the uefa cup?

[stuart]

I dont deny we have had luck, but I believe that if a team is well orginised and hard working it will make its own luck.

As far as being in the minority, I dont know a single fan who is unhappy with what is going on at the moment, although I dont claim to know every fan's opinion.

[alexmac]

I think we would both agree that we would rather qualify from the group stages of the cl than fall into the uefa cup?

At the start, then, yeah I would agree with that.

However, now we are in the semi-finals, I can hand on hard say I prefer being here than to go out in the 1st knock out stage of the CL. I bet we have generated more income, grown together as a stronger team, created a much needed buzz for the fans and learned a hell of a lot about European football by progressing as we have done in the UEFA.

[Bell End]

Originally Posted by alexmac

It seems that it is a total waste of time trying to reason with the majority of Celtic fans on here. Rangers have played some good football this year - fact. They have adapted to get the job done - fact. They have scored 2 fewer goals that Celtic (three games in hand) - fact.

There are actually Celtic fans on here who admit that their team is 'pish', just to get a dig in at Rangers. That makes me laugh fcuking hard that does! Total sour grapes all round I would say.

As for Fiorentina's new supporters here - all I can say is, get a life. Much ad I hate to admit it, if Celtic were the only 'Scottish' team left in Europe, I would be siding for them - anyday. After all, the better Scottish teams do in Europe the better the co-efficient etc.

Total immaturity to be supporting the Italians IMO.

My thinking towards Rangers in Europe is that I want them to win and do well...as long as we are still in Europe at the time. As soon as we go out I want Rangers knocked out as soon as possible, cant be arsed with the gloating etc. I think you'll find many celtic supporters have the same mindset. The Celtic supporters on this board from what I can read appear to be realistic, its the arrogance from you muppets that infuriates us. Both teams are extremely poor, Rangers have made themselves organised and hard to beat but technically they are still a poor side. Why the hell can none of you see that??

[alexmac]

its the arrogance from you muppets that infuriates us. Both teams are extremely poor, Rangers have made themselves organised and hard to beat but technically they are still a poor side. Why the hell can none of you see that??

Total, and utter bollocks.

You are slating your own team to have a dig - that is priceless.