The Old Firm Thread

[Rule Britannia]

Originally Posted by Bell_1988

To be honest, you're talking mince. Out of the 4 things you listed, 3 appear to be made up from the Rangers support. Its about time we got a FAIR ref at an of game. Just because every contentious decision didnt go your way you think the ref shit himself, thats bull and you know it. Mobile phone a fabrication, no proof from anywhere. If you say thats true then the rumour about the potato flung at Robson from the bigots in the away support must also be true. Like i said I hope neither are true
Again pot calling kettle black with regards to dirty tricks, its what you've employed for the first 3 of games since smith came back. You kicked us off the park, wednesday night was the first time we woke up to that and we showed who really was up for the fight. More of the same to follow next Sunday I hope, if it does come about that celtic can boss the midfield like they did the other night then I am certain it will be another victory for the hoops and squeaky bum time for Rangers during the run in.

KEEP THE FAITH!!

How many of your players were booked on the 1st OF game of the season? Thats not exatly a testament to Rangers kicking Celtic off the park now is it??

Or maybe, its just another consporacy against Celtic via the officiating

[ScottishBhoy87]

Originally Posted by steveadam23

Just a shame it's come too late eh - so you got the bragging rights this time, but you are still gonna win F all.

Steve.u

Amazing how bitter SOME rangers fans can be in the wake of a defeat.

Hail Hail see you next Sunday

[steveadam23]

I'm not bitter at all - Celtic outplayed Rangers everywhere on the pitch last week and deserved the win.

I was just stating facts - even if you win on Sunday then we are only 5 points behind with 3 games in hand. Will need a major collapse from us to throw away.

If anything I guess you lot are a bit bitter as we already have a cup in the bag, a final against a diddy side to come, and a great European run as well.

The swing of power is coming back to the blue side

Steve.

[Bell End]

Originally Posted by R & R

How many of your players were booked on the 1st OF game of the season? Thats not exatly a testament to Rangers kicking Celtic off the park now is it??

Or maybe, its just another consporacy against Celtic via the officiating

Got it in one. Did you forget it was the gd old Reverend who was officiating that game?? That was a dirty game yet only 1 Rangers player got booked yet 9 celtic players got booked after nearly every foul they made

Dont talk to me about the officiating in this country. Ferguson, by all acounts a tough player in the middle of the park, all season long gives refs dogs abuse comits fouls yet not once this year has he bn booked. Funny that eh??

[Bell End]

Originally Posted by steveadam23

I'm not bitter at all - Celtic outplayed Rangers everywhere on the pitch last week and deserved the win.

I was just stating facts - even if you win on Sunday then we are only 5 points behind with 3 games in hand. Will need a major collapse from us to throw away.

If anything I guess you lot are a bit bitter as we already have a cup in the bag, a final against a diddy side to come, and a great European run as well.

The swing of power is coming back to the blue side

Steve.

lolol steve after your performance today, v brave to say the swing of power is going your way. Shocking performance today, you're lot are nothing better than a pub team sometimes. Should be put in their place next week but like you said it wont be enough. Too many daft points dropped in games already wrapped up, tynecastle and caley come to mind immediately God knows there are many more. This has bn a title thrown away by Celtic cause this Rangers side, despite their organisation are a poor poor mob. This looks as if this will be the worst side in history to do the treble. Call me bitter if you want but you have to admit I'm not far wrong.

[Rule Britannia]

Originally Posted by Bell_1988

Got it in one. Did you forget it was the gd old Reverend who was officiating that game?? That was a dirty game yet only 1 Rangers player got booked yet 9 celtic players got booked after nearly every foul they made

Dont talk to me about the officiating in this country. Ferguson, by all acounts a tough player in the middle of the park, all season long gives refs dogs abuse comits fouls yet not once this year has he bn booked. Funny that eh??

lol. Well the day in question, even the most ardent Celtic fans Andy Walker and John Colqhuon on Scotsport, said that Celti's attitude and tactics employed that day were a disgrace and they fully warranted the amount of yellows they got, only surprise was, that it wasnt red.

As for Ferguson gobbing off, loads of players do it, and in the Sottish game it hardly goes punished these days. (but, dont tell me,Celtic players get picked u on it all the time).

I used to think the East End paranoia was a myth. By christ, Im being proven wrong.

Originally Posted by Bell_1988

lolol steve after your performance today, v brave to say the swing of power is going your way. Shocking performance today, you're lot are nothing better than a pub team sometimes. Should be put in their place next week but like you said it wont be enough. Too many daft points dropped in games already wrapped up, tynecastle and caley come to mind immediately God knows there are many more. This has bn a title thrown away by Celtic cause this Rangers side, despite their organisation are a poor poor mob. This looks as if this will be the worst side in history to do the treble. Call me bitter if you want but you have to admit I'm not far wrong.

We were terrible yesterday, granted but still sneaked through.

I think you will find when you look at the league table, you will see that Rangers have already PASSED last seasons total of points, with 7 games left and Celtic sit just 7 points behind their total last season with 4 games remaining.

Seems to me, the answer is simple. Celtic have sat still under the very poor leadership and tatial naivety of Gordon Strachan, wheras Rangers o the whole have progressed faster than any fan could have hoped for.

The worst team to win the treble eh?? Maybe so, but its only in the past few weeks with fatigue setting in, that the performance levels have really dropped. Must be doing something right though....

Panathanaikos, Werder Bremen and Sporting Lisbon are no mugs at all, but its purely down to our organisation that we have got through.

Walter Smith knows we are not good enough to play the big teams (I include Celtic there) with open attacking football and plays a more onfined defensive game (most of the time, sucessfully), whereas Strachan seems to have this deluded notion, that Cetic are good enough to go to any team in the world straight from the start and play however they like.

Gordon Strachan is the reason you will win fcuk all this season.... and tbh, with the level we have gotten to this season, there is further improvement to come next season.

[ScottishBhoy87]

Originally Posted by R & R

lol. Well the day in question, even the most ardent Celtic fans Andy Walker and John Colqhuon on Scotsport, said that Celti's attitude and tactics employed that day were a disgrace and they fully warranted the amount of yellows they got, only surprise was, that it wasnt red.

As for Ferguson gobbing off, loads of players do it, and in the Sottish game it hardly goes punished these days. (but, dont tell me,Celtic players get picked u on it all the time).

I used to think the East End paranoia was a myth. By christ, Im being proven wrong.

Exhibit A - Location - Pittodrie Stadium 23/12/2007


Barry Ferguson takes Chris McGuire by the throat, yes the throat and still does not recieve a yellow card. I believe he also made one or two challanges in that games that warrented a yellow and also pushed another Aberdeen player in the chest and again got away with it.

Funny how in Europe the wee ned has warrented enough yellows to be suspended for your next game (which I think will be a massive reason you will lose the tie).

Just my opinion but it seems Scotlands refs almost believe they have a duty to keep their cards in their pocket when it comes to this one.

[stuart]

Originally Posted by ScottishBhoy87

Exhibit A - Location - Pittodrie Stadium 23/12/2007


Barry Ferguson takes Chris McGuire by the throat, yes the throat and still does not recieve a yellow card. I believe he also made one or two challanges in that games that warrented a yellow and also pushed another Aberdeen player in the chest and again got away with it.

Funny how in Europe the wee ned has warrented enough yellows to be suspended for your next game (which I think will be a massive reason you will lose the tie).

Just my opinion but it seems Scotlands refs almost believe they have a duty to keep their cards in their pocket when it comes to this one.

Do you honestly believe that the SFA and all the referees are involved in some sort of massive conspiracy to keep celtic from winning things?

Thats some extreme paranoia there, was the moon landing also fake? or maybe JFK was shot by Barry Ferguson in a plot involving rangers, aliens, the CIA, scottish referees and the SFA?

[Rule Britannia]

Originally Posted by ScottishBhoy87

Exhibit A - Location - Pittodrie Stadium 23/12/2007


Barry Ferguson takes Chris McGuire by the throat, yes the throat and still does not recieve a yellow card. I believe he also made one or two challanges in that games that warrented a yellow and also pushed another Aberdeen player in the chest and again got away with it.

Funny how in Europe the wee ned has warrented enough yellows to be suspended for your next game (which I think will be a massive reason you will lose the tie).

Just my opinion but it seems Scotlands refs almost believe they have a duty to keep their cards in their pocket when it comes to this one.

Jesus, are you lot that hard done by, that you have to trawl through the archives to pick up on certain games / incidents to highlight as to why Scottish Refs are biased towards Rangers and against Celtic?

What about Stephen McManus's X rated tackle that snapped an opposing player's (I forget who) leg, that went completely unpunished. I suppose it was an honest challenge going for the ball??

The way you are carrying on with your conspiracy theories, I suspect it wont be long before Jorge Cadete's "goal" is mentioned.

[ScottishBhoy87]

Originally Posted by R & R

Jesus, are you lot that hard done by, that you have to trawl through the archives to pick up on certain games / incidents to highlight as to why Scottish Refs are biased towards Rangers and against Celtic?

What about Stephen McManus's X rated tackle that snapped an opposing player's (I forget who) leg, that went completely unpunished. I suppose it was an honest challenge going for the ball??

The way you are carrying on with your conspiracy theories, I suspect it wont be long before Jorge Cadete's "goal" is mentioned.

There is a difference between putting in a hard challange and taking someone by the throat, that could be classed as assault.

If you believe McManus is the kinda player to go into a challange to break someones leg you are highly mistaken, many Celtic fans actually wish he had a bit more dig.

Ferguson is a dirty player, end of, he should have been booked on many occasions this season and has gotten away with time and time again.

Your bringing up JFK...and the moon....? think you might be wired to the moon, you obviously wouldnt admitt Ferguson should be booked more often but yes I think he gets away with alot more than any 'normal' SPL player would.

one more thing, hail hail!!

[ScottishBhoy87]

Originally Posted by stuart

Do you honestly believe that the SFA and all the referees are involved in some sort of massive conspiracy to keep celtic from winning things?

Thats some extreme paranoia there, was the moon landing also fake? or maybe JFK was shot by Barry Ferguson in a plot involving rangers, aliens, the CIA, scottish referees and the SFA?

Its nothing to do with keeping Celtic from winning things, we've taken care of that ourselves this season by throwing away needless points here and there, its to do with Ferguson getting more protection from bookings than most SPL players.

[Rule Britannia]

Originally Posted by ScottishBhoy87

There is a difference between putting in a hard challange and taking someone by the throat, that could be classed as assault.

If you believe McManus is the kinda player to go into a challange to break someones leg you are highly mistaken, many Celtic fans actually wish he had a bit more dig.

Ferguson is a dirty player, end of, he should have been booked on many occasions this season and has gotten away with time and time again.

Your bringing up JFK...and the moon....? think you might be wired to the moon, you obviously wouldnt admitt Ferguson should be booked more often but yes I think he gets away with alot more than any 'normal' SPL player would.

one more thing, hail hail!!

Might shock you here, but I do not rate Barry Ferguson, I personally feel that he is vastly over-rated, and yes maybe he should have been booked but wasnt.... hardly a conspiracy though.... or bias.

I never mentioned JFK or the moon?

Someone mentioned earlier, we would lose to Fiorentina due to Barry Ferguson being suspended?? You can tell its someone who doesnt watch Rangers on a regular basis making that statement, as quite honestly for the past 6 months, he has barely kicked a ball. He has been by his own standards Mince.

McManus might not be the dirtiest player, but the takle in quetion was X-rated at best. Ill timed, clumsy and reckless yet nothing was done.

Think you will find, the Old Firm collectively get their share of decisions.... Its swings and Roundabouts and to sit and play the victimised by the SFA, referees card is in my opinion ludicrous.

[ScottishBhoy87]

Originally Posted by R & R

Might shock you here, but I do not rate Barry Ferguson, I personally feel that he is vastly over-rated, and yes maybe he should have been booked but wasnt.... hardly a conspiracy though.... or bias.

I never mentioned JFK or the moon?

Someone mentioned earlier, we would lose to Fiorentina due to Barry Ferguson being suspended?? You can tell its someone who doesnt watch Rangers on a regular basis making that statement, as quite honestly for the past 6 months, he has barely kicked a ball. He has been by his own standards Mince.

McManus might not be the dirtiest player, but the takle in quetion was X-rated at best. Ill timed, clumsy and reckless yet nothing was done.

Think you will find, the Old Firm collectively get their share of decisions.... Its swings and Roundabouts and to sit and play the victimised by the SFA, referees card is in my opinion ludicrous.

Ok fistly, I duely apologise I was mistaken and your right it was another punter whom mentioned the moon etc. so you aint wired to it.

However, I would agree the Ferguson has been mince, but confusingly I still feel that Rangers are a far poorer side without their captain, yesterday was a prime example.

I never actually said Celtic were victimised by the SFA i simply said it seems to me and many other people (even some Rangers fans) that Ferguson gets away with alot more than he should.

In relation to McManus incident, yeah I agree it was clumsy, however he did not mean it, Ferguson meant to take young McGuire by the throat, by the letter of the law its a straight yellow card if not a red.

Dont think we are going to agree on this matter so why dont we agree to disagree??

[Rule Britannia]

Originally Posted by ScottishBhoy87

Ok fistly, I duely apologise I was mistaken and your right it was another punter whom mentioned the moon etc. so you aint wired to it.

However, I would agree the Ferguson has been mince, but confusingly I still feel that Rangers are a far poorer side without their captain, yesterday was a prime example.

I never actually said Celtic were victimised by the SFA i simply said it seems to me and many other people (even some Rangers fans) that Ferguson gets away with alot more than he should.

In relation to McManus incident, yeah I agree it was clumsy, however he did not mean it, Ferguson meant to take young McGuire by the throat, by the letter of the law its a straight yellow card if not a red.

Dont think we are going to agree on this matter so why dont we agree to disagree??

I do agree that Ferguson on that occasion should have been dealt with....

overall yeah, agree to disagree.....

Back to Ferguson playing, I dont think we look poorer without him at all, Sporting away aside, thats how poor we have been for some weeks now.

[ScottishBhoy87]

Originally Posted by R & R

I do agree that Ferguson on that occasion should have been dealt with....

overall yeah, agree to disagree.....

Back to Ferguson playing, I dont think we look poorer without him at all, Sporting away aside, thats how poor we have been for some weeks now.

Fair doo's you will know your team better than me, I just think most teams suffer from missing their captain and I dont think Rangers are any different.

[Bell End]

In my opinion Rangers are indeed a far poorer side without the wee ned which is Ferguson. Even when he is not playing well, his presence in the side seems to have an effect on those around him. The team as a whole are a far inferior outfit without him, couple this with the fact that thomson who partners him in the midfield will also miss the game I feel that there is a strong possibility that Fiorentina will win on Thursday night.

Smith will probably forget he is at home in a European tie again and play his usual 4-1-4-1 looking to not concede rather than take a lead to Florence and for once I would love to see these anti-football tactics punished by a team with some quality.

[alexmac]

Smith will probably forget he is at home in a European tie again and play his usual 4-1-4-1 looking to not concede rather than take a lead to Florence and for once I would love to see these anti-football tactics punished by a team with some quality.

These are not anti-football tactics. These are tactics that win big games against decent teams. I love the fact that our apparantly boring, anti football has seen us score just 2 fewer goals than you in the league, with us playing 3 fewer games - good one on the anti football! These European games are won by sheer hard work, guts and organisation.

As for missing Ferguson an Thomson... Yeah, that is a blow. But Hemdani and Davis/Dailly can do the holding job.

Team will be, IMO

MCGREGOR
PAPAC
CUELLAR
DAILLY
BROADFOOT (eek!!!)
DAVIS
HEMDANI
WHITTAKER
BUFFEL
NOVO
DARCHEVILLE

Its getting to the bare fcuking bones now - but that looks like the best team we can hope for. Probably slightly more attacking than the usual 4141 - but I hope we keep it as tight as we have done in previous European home games.

By the way, any team that (may) win a treble cannot ever be classed as a poor side - nonsense. To win a treble (in any country) takes a talented team, with excellent management, consistency and belief...

[Bell End]

Alex, c'mon. You are nothing short of deluded if you think this is a gd rangers side. The league has bn thrown away by celtic, as have the two cups (not saying we would have won the two cups but your job of winning them was made a helluva lot easier by us fcuking up in games we should have won) Should they fail to slip up in the run in this will be the worst side in history to win the treble FACT

[Bell End]

Another thing, the point was about your style of play in Europe, are you trying to say that you are happy with the way Smith sets out his sides in European home games??

[alexmac]

Yes I am. As are the majority of fans. They get the results. I would rather us 'bore' our way to UEFA Cup success then get smashed in the 3rd round because we played 433.

If this is the worst team to ever (possibly) win a treble, then what exactly does that say about the state of your team at the moment...?