Heavyweight boxer shot

From the BBC, other news reports saying he is now brain dead......

Gunman shoots boxer in the head

The shooting is being investigated by Operation Trident detectives A former British heavyweight boxer has been shot in the head and leg at a club in London. James Oyebola, 47, was shot in a courtyard at Chateau 6 in Fulham Road, in south-west London. Three men were seen running away from the scene. Oyebola, from north-west London, is described as critical in hospital. Detectives from Operation Trident, which investigates gun crime in the black community, are investigating the shooting. A search of the area was undertaken by police, including armed officers, following the shooting in the early hours of Monday. Detective Chief Inspector Scott Wilson said: "I would urge anyone with information to come forward and assist us in bringing those responsible for gravely injuring James to justice."

[PAULM03]

British Champion a few years back.

Drug dealing maybe? Or am I just being cynical.

[stereoman]

Hmmm. Some Yardies who didn't like to be told to stop smoking apparently.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2007340144,00.html

I've always had a fear of nightclubs, the various people I might accidentally upset and the possible repercussions.

[PAULM03]

Originally Posted by stereoman

Hmmm. Some Yardies who didn't like to be told to stop smoking apparently.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2007340144,00.html

I've always had a fear of nightclubs, the various people I might accidentally upset and the possible repercussions.

Mental. I feel a bit guilty for my earlier suggestion now

Things are really out of control in this country now. The really sad thing is as far as the law stands the nightclub has more chance of being prosecuted for people smoking on the premises than the people doing the shooting have of being caught and prosecuted. What a sick, sick place we've become.

[Cassius Marcellus]

From the Sun article:-

Ex-manager Frank Maloney said: “James is a gentle giant. He hasn’t got a violent bone in his body. This is truly shocking.”

How did he win 36 of his 41 fights then?

Crack his opponents up with jokes?

[Carl]

Unbelieveable,

Big hard men with guns eh? I'd have like to see them have a go unarmed.

W@nkers

[whycantistayawayfromdogs]

Originally Posted by Carl

Unbelieveable,

Big hard men with guns eh? I'd have like to see them have a go unarmed.

exactly what i was thinking

[aliando]

again, you have to ask where the deterrent is?

[Matt]

Originally Posted by aliando

again, you have to ask where the deterrent is?

25 years inside for anyone caught carrying a firearm for me......

Whatever we are doing now certainly isnt working, like Paul says, what have we become and how the hell did we get here?

[mowgli77]

"Tough on crime, tough on the causes of crime"

Is that what we've become, gangsters shooting someone in the head because he has disrespected them? Too many of these ghetto fcukers thinking they are gangsters and watching too much Boyz N The Hood and Menace 2 Society. Walking round in gangs thinking they are all 50 fcuking cent, it's a culture problem and it needs addressing. If he has been shot for just asking them to stop smoking then that is ridiculous and is a very sad state of affairs.

[PAULM03]

Originally Posted by mowgli77

"Tough on crime, tough on the causes of crime"

Is that what we've become, gangsters shooting someone in the head because he has disrespected them? Too many of these ghetto fcukers thinking they are gangsters and watching too much Boyz N The Hood and Menace 2 Society. Walking round in gangs thinking they are all 50 fcuking cent, it's a culture problem and it needs addressing. If he has been shot for just asking them to stop smoking then that is ridiculous and is a very sad state of affairs.

There was one a few weeks back I read on the BBC, a man shot dead for disrespecting someone. How did he disrespect him? By mistaking him for his friend and shouting out to him

[Matt]

Originally Posted by PAULM03

There was one a few weeks back I read on the BBC, a man shot dead for disrespecting someone. How did he disrespect him? By mistaking him for his friend and shouting out to him

Aye, its worth it though....England is a much better place with these people in it

Honest...

[whycantistayawayfromdogs]

Originally Posted by Matt

Aye, its worth it though....England is a much better place with these people in it

Honest...

I hate to burst your bubble but most of these people havnt just got off a boat. These people could be third generation scum by now. Weve got to be tougher on crime, the answer isnt to get P and O to take anyone with any colour to them and drop them in the sea...

[chala]

zero tollerance to crime is the only solution, but it'll never happen in this country. Or more so, it'll be too late by the time they do something about it. Theres too many fcuking do gooders in this country who haven't got a fcuking clue.

"He's from a broken home, so we understand why he's gone out and killed someone". Stupid cnuts, I wish it was their family members that it happened too, then their opinions might change.

Sorry for the outburst, but the crime situation in this country makes my blood boil!

[Cassius Marcellus]

Originally Posted by whycantistayawayfromdogs

I hate to burst your bubble but most of these people havnt just got off a boat. These people could be third generation scum by now. Weve got to be tougher on crime, the answer isnt to get P and O to take anyone with any colour to them and drop them in the sea...

They wouldn't be third generation scum if the government did what the public wanted, not what they fcuking want, and deported the first generation scum as soon as they came out of prison. Or even better, as soon as they were convicted, before they went in.

[aliando]

Originally Posted by Cassius Marcellus

They wouldn't be third generation scum if the government did what the public wanted, not what they fcuking want, and deported the first generation scum as soon as they came out of prison. Or even better, as soon as they were convicted, before they went in.

would that include mohammed ali (if he was british) or the guy who was shot in this incident and their relatives?

scum comes from all round the world - white british people arent scum free by any means.

[Cassius Marcellus]

Ah, I see, nit picking.

Personally, I wouldn't deport somebody because he hadn't paid his T.V. licence, or he smoked in a pub. I'm considerate, me.

But, if he's been found guilty of murder, attempted murder, rape, drug dealing, robbery or mugging old ladies for a fcuking drug fix, or a similar crime - FCUK HIM OFF OUT THIS COUNTRY AS SOON AS THE JURY FOREMAN SAYS 'GUILTY'

And I don't give two fcuks what happens to him when he gets to his homeland.

I'd like to remind you all of the criminal who went on the run last year for a serious crime. People asked why he couldnt have been deported when they had him in custody. The government, in their infinite wisdom said.
' His life would be in danger if he was deported back to Somalia.'

Guess where he was hiding?

[aliando]

Originally Posted by Cassius Marcellus

Ah, I see, nit picking.

Personally, I wouldn't deport somebody because he hadn't paid his T.V. licence, or he smoked in a pub. I'm considerate, me.

But, if he's been found guilty of murder, attempted murder, rape, drug dealing, robbery or mugging old ladies for a fcuking drug fix, or a similar crime - FCUK HIM OFF OUT THIS COUNTRY AS SOON AS THE JURY FOREMAN SAYS 'GUILTY'

And I don't give two fcuks what happens to him when he gets to his homeland.

I'd like to remind you all of the criminal who went on the run last year for a serious crime. People asked why he couldnt have been deported when they had him in custody. The government, in their infinite wisdom said.
' His life would be in danger if he was deported back to Somalia.'

Guess where he was hiding?

not nit picking, just trying to work out what you meant in your original post.

the post above is easier to agree with, given that someone commits a serious offence, then off they go. But i do query the volume of people that this relates to. We hear more of it because it sells papers and gets people listening. If an elderly lady is mugged and beaten, you can bet your bottom dollar that the story will be bigger news if the twat doing it aint white.

because of the thoughts and opinions that many people have, it makes great stories for rival politicians to highlight immigration laws that 'arent working' also.

at the end of the day, imo, you commit a serious crime then you should face a serious punishment, regardless of who you are, white/black, rich/poor. the fact that this country has to let criminals go early becuase of a lack of space in the prisons, i feel is an insult to the people our government are supposed to protect, the victims of the crimes and also the police who put the donkey work in to get them behind bars in the first place.

the lads in the original story above should get life, and i mean life. if they are willing to take a life over being asked to put a cigarette out, then they are only fit for replacing lab rats for the experiments.

[Cassius Marcellus]

Originally Posted by aliando

not nit picking, just trying to work out what you meant in your original post.

If all the first generation immigrnants who came over here were deported when they committed one of the more serious crimes :-

There would not be so many here now. I have no idea of how many less, but it would mean that all those left who observe the law are law abiding and MAY not become criminals, but if they do, kick them out But in some cases, first generation criminals offspring become second generation criminals and so on. Just 2% of the UK population are immigrants, while 15% of the prison population are immigrants. The hand-wringers claim it is poverty that causes this. These are the very same hand wringers that say immigration is good because they all come here to work, so it helps the economy.

Why don't the 'ones who come here to work' go to the villages and towns where the hand wringers live? Why do they descend on the shithole areas of the big cities instead?

If first generation serious criminals were thrown out, it would create more space for the indigenous criminals, instead of, as you point out below, releasing them early, to make room for more.

at the end of the day, imo, you commit a serious crime then you should face a serious punishment, regardless of who you are, white/black, rich/poor. the fact that this country has to let criminals go early becuase of a lack of space in the prisons, i feel is an insult to the people our government are supposed to protect, the victims of the crimes and also the police who put the donkey work in to get them behind bars in the first place.

Exactly, the same rules for all. But, on the strict understanding that if you come here from another country, you obey the laws of this country, or you get sent back as soon as you commit a serious crime.

No waffling by left wingers, no appeals, you are gone.

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And the criminal in my other post WAS hiding in Somalia. The law is a monstrous ass.

[stereoman]

http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2007340481,00.html

EDIT: Hmmm. Talksport say he's still alive though.