The Cricket Thread

[Sharpe1ne]

Well I never saw that one coming.Pattison plays for Sidebottom.

[WoodyTHFC]

Originally Posted by Sharpe1ne

Well I never saw that one coming.Pattison plays for Sidebottom.

I cant quite believe Pattinson's rise to fame tbh. Ok he has started the season well and may and well go out and take 5 wickets this match and prove me wrong but I would have thought there are loads of candidates more worthy than him of a test spot. For a start Hoggard and Harmison. Both of them have gone back into county cricket and with some success, just as much as Pattinson. Chris Tremlett may not be a typical Headingly type of bowler but even still I would consider him a much better prospect than some 28 year old whos just played 11 f/c matches. If they wanted to go down the younger player route they could go for the promising Steven Finn who in time should be an England player one day. Even someone like Chapple may well have been worth a go, his statistics are better than Pattinson, plus he has been doing it for 10 years longer and he bats. Strange selection for me.

[Charlie Wong]

Originally Posted by Sharpe1ne

Well I never saw that one coming.Pattison plays for Sidebottom.

surprised the selectors have done this after keeping the same side for so long, apparently he's been taking wkts for Notts, and swings the ball late, conditions suited to Headingley.

[Charlie Wong]

i'd have gone for Hoggard.

[Charlie Wong]

KP'S gone!111-4, Ambrose, enter.

[kevshat]

Originally Posted by Sharpe1ne

Well I never saw that one coming.Pattison plays for Sidebottom.

Me neither. I thought it was a joke . Well actually it is a joke but not a joke . I can only assume he's been fast tracked because he's potentially Australian but I can't believe he's been called up over Hoggard when the match is on Hoggard's home patch. He only came over here to play in the Lincolnshire league and then 2 months later he's playing for England .

Yet again no consistency with the England selectors. Tremlett was called up before Pattinson and they must've known what conditions were like on Wednesday. Pattinson was called up yesterday, after Tremlett yet he plays and Tremlett doesn't. I hope the ECB pay your expenses Tremmers. You've been on the motorways in this country longer than a lorry driver these last 6 weeks.

And please England, please please please please get rid of this idiot behind the stumps. You've got a case for including him if he can catch or he can bat but he can't do either so get rid now before it costs us.

[Sharpe1ne]

I'd have liked to have seen either Hoggard or Bresnan playing instead of Pattison,at least Bresnans handy with the bat.I'm still racking my brains as to why he's been called up.
I thought with all the new selectors and backroom in place that this would be a consistent regime but they seem to be going back to the early 90's style of weirdly picking people,Joey Benjamin coming to mind.
Wicket-Keeper wise then Chris Read should be back in the side and why on earth they keep overlooking him i'll never know.
The fact we fielded an un-changed side for 6 matches against New Zealand and how proud the selectors were that we won those 2 series,even when we knew almost any side we put out would have beaten them,just shows how dumb these blokes really are.
Politics will always run an England side and therein we stand no chance of actually being a good team ever.

[meatman]

Really our selectors are becoming a Joke again

[Charlie Wong]

this has got nothing to do with how well Pattison does during the test match, but how must Chris Tremlett be feeling? apparently he was left out due to his height/style of bowling and being able to extract bounce, sorry but Morkel's a tall feller and he got plenty going with the ball.

will be watching tommorrows play after i copped one on the elbow playing for Cheltenham last week against Weston-Super-Mare, i 've got two weeks at least out before i can pick a bat up again.

[davidmphill]

Originally Posted by meatman

Really our selectors are becoming a Joke again

Sad but true. Never like the appointment of Moores in the first place. He struck lucky with Sussex when he got Mushtaq for me, he did more for the county than Moores did. We'll see in the long term.

[kevshat]

The selectors haven't become a joke again, they've always been a joke .

Going to central contracts was a great idea but what we need to do when selecting the side is putting a ladder system in place so that we don't get a guy playing 6 1st class games and then playing a test match. That doesn't benefit England and judging on his 1st 6 overs where he's looked out of his depth, it doesn't suit the player be it Pattinson or anyone.

For me at the start of each summer (ie April 1st) we should name a pool of 30 men who we will use in international cricket throughout the next 12 months, a bit like the Aussies do. And then use only those 30 men. Be it tests, ODI's or twenty20 because I feel that if you are good enough for one you'll be fine for the others. You then get the men in the 30 but not in the starting 11 straight away trying hard to get in the 11 and the rest know it's a lot easier to get into a 30 man pool which should give them the incentive to play to their best day in day out in county cricket making the standard there even better.

[kevshat]

Typical. As I was typing that Pattinson got a wicket . Although something strange just happened . For the 1st time in my lifetime Nasser Hussain said something I agree with when he said Daryl Harper is a poor umpire!!

Another topic I'd like to raise is Hashim Amla's out but not out last night. I really am not comfortable with the coaches and players in the dressing room dictating how a match is run. We have the use of technology and if the umpires choose to use it of their own accord then I'm cool with that but everyone on that field last night ws happy Amla was out until the SA dressing room saw it 90 seconds later from a different angle. I know the referral thing is coming into the game in the India vs Sri Lanka series next week and that's fine with me but the ICC should put in the rules that if TV evidence isn't conclusive (ie we don't see the ball clearly bouncing like we did with the AB de Villiers "catch") then the call on the field should stand.

If we have gone from the days where we can't trust players to police the game on the field we certainly shouldn't be letting them umpire it off the field IMO.

[Sharpe1ne]

I agree completely with the 30 man squad idea and it will give more of an incentive to the players to at least be recognised as a possible England player.
If players are not going to be recognised then with the money on offer in Twenty/20 Cricket they can rightly tell England to fcuk off when they come calling.

The Amla thing is a disgrace(even though i've got him as highest runscorer for the tests).Graeme Smith is starting to turn out like Hansje Cronje a vile man only interested in getting things his way,being made captain at an early age has probably ruined any sportsmanship he ever had.
It's time to take away the TV's in the dressing room,like they've done for the football this season,as they always seem to cause controversy.Many a time they've showed the balcony in matches and on a dodgy decision you can see them losing it up there.

[Sharpe1ne]

Looks like Vaughans' trying to decimate the team for the next match.Anderson and Flintoff should not be bowling this many overs.I'd stick Bell on for a few and see if he can trick them into slashing at a shot,also Vaughan should be bowling a few overs seeing as it looks like we're not getting a 2nd Innings bowl.Hell i'd even stick Ambrose on to bowl he might even be half good at that.

[Fast Eddie]

Poor old Pattinson looked rather like the new boy at school, being quiet, keeping his head down and trying to control his nerves. He looks rather embarrassed to be there. Still, can't be too sorry for him as he is an Aussie (his father apparently regards himself as a "fair dinkum Aussie" which seems a bit odd as he must have been in at least his twenties when he went there).

Also saw this interesting article by the Sri Lankan keeper about their new spinner who destroyed India last week.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/mai.../scsril120.xml

[Sharpe1ne]

Originally Posted by Fast Eddie

Poor old Pattinson looked rather like the new boy at school, being quiet, keeping his head down and trying to control his nerves. He looks rather embarrassed to be there. Still, can't be too sorry for him as he is an Aussie (his father apparently regards himself as a "fair dinkum Aussie" which seems a bit odd as he must have been in at least his twenties when he went there).

Also saw this interesting article by the Sri Lankan keeper about their new spinner who destroyed India last week.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/mai.../scsril120.xml

He does look an interesting prospect does Mendis and with him and Murali bowling in tandem then a few batsmen who can't handle spin must be bricking themselves.
When Murali finishes his career i'd be breaking the bank to get him on-board coaching our young and upcoming spinners.It brought Keedys' game on at Lancashire 100% and as we keep seeming to produce only above average spinners,who are coached by older average spinners we're never going to have that extra edge.A lot rests on poor Adil Rashid and with the right coaching this bloke could be a star,I just hope he has an English passport

[Charlie Wong]

doubt this one's gonna last too long..

[Charlie Wong]

Hope the rain doesn't mess the 3rd test up, alot of rain in the west midlands expected this week on.

[Fast Eddie]

The England selectors are a job for Mulder and Scully, truly bizarre how intelligent, pragmatic men seem to lose their common sense when they become selectors. SA must be having a chuckle. By selecting Collingwood ahead of Broad they will effectively be weakening the batting and the bowling in one fell swoop (i realise the argument about giving Broad a rest cos he's only young and his bowling form isn't that great at the moment but perhaps the last test might have been the better time to rest him which would have allowed the use of Tremlett who must be pretty dispirited by his treatment in the whole Headingly debacle). This idea that Collingwood can bowl some overs doesn't stand up as his test performances as a bowler wouldn't even suggest he was a part time bowler let alone the fifth prong of a five man attack. I do like Collingwood as a bloke and a pro and I hope he regains his form but the pressure on him will be immense. And Vaughn too who's place may well be in jeopardy if he can't score any runs and after his bleating following the Headingly defeat.

[Matt]

By selecting Collingwood ahead of Broad they will effectively be weakening the batting and the bowling in one fell swoop

I said exactly the same thing, I'd be more confident batting Broad at 6 than putting Collingwood back in, its almost becoming jobs for the boys again like it was a few years ago

Agree with you on Vaughan as well, a great captain but he simply has to start scoring runs now, plenty of players waiting in the wings to have a go if he cant, no idea who the new captain would be though

Also after watching Foster the last few days its a mystery to me how he isnt the number one gloveman, his work behind the stumps is fantastic and there is no way he would be scoring less than Tim Ambrose at the minute.