Best fans in the world the scots....

[jtw1]

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Originally Posted by gazza271
Yeah nice comments lads , you 2 are people I respect on here and always look forward to reading your posts. You two are both intelligent men yet you post comments like this ? No wonder police get such a hard time when 2 grown up intelligent men have views like this.

That could easily have been Staffy or myself. They were not the officers who organised how many police were on duty or how many should be deployed here or there, they are ordinary working police officers who take orders from officers in their comfy chairs out of touch with reality.

The officers who were injured probably have familys and kids, they are ordianary people doing a difficult job. How would you explain to your familys why you have come home from work with a broken arm ? You be careful with that next sheaf of A4 paper for the photocopier, you may have to go home and explain to the wife and kids how you got those nasty paper cuts after being "chased" by 40 or 50 free falling sheets of paper.

Your attitude stinks.

Sorry for taking it slightly off topic but those comments really pi$$ed me off.

On the actual topic I agree with Mr V, This is,unfortunately Scotlands shame. Had it been an England/English game with a group of Millwall/Leeds/Chelsea etc etc fans causing trouble it would be ENGLISH fans. Last night it was SCOTLANDS shame.

Hard to disagree with you there mate , esp the last part .

I think that the powers that be really do have to think long and hard about how and where the stadiums for the finals are selected and their capability for handling a large support , such as last night's.

For instance where is the sense in having the CL final in Russia between 2 English clubs !!

Same for last nights game , if it's to be in Manchester , wait and see who qualifies for the final and take it from there , If it had been ZENIT v FIORENTINA the the C.o.M stadium would have been fine but as soon as RANGERS made it then Old Trafford should have been the call .
I'm sure that if UEFA waited until they see who's in the finals and then select the stadiums to be played in it would be better for fans , policing and security.

But of course they won't and the status quo will continue as there's too much money involved .

[Big Gaz]

Originally Posted by jtw1

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Hard to disagree with you there mate , esp the last part .

I think that the powers that be really do have to think long and hard about how and where the stadiums for the finals are selected and their capability for handling a large support , such as last night's.

For instance where is the sense in having the CL final in Russia between 2 English clubs !!

Same for last nights game , if it's to be in Manchester , wait and see who qualifies for the final and take it from there , If it had been ZENIT v FIORENTINA the the C.o.M stadium would have been fine but as soon as RANGERS made it then Old Trafford should have been the call .
I'm sure that if UEFA waited until they see who's in the finals and then select the stadiums to be played in it would be better for fans , policing and security.

But of course they won't and the status quo will continue as there's too much money involved .

exactly m8 the money and the fat cats not the fans dictate where we play and when

It is a shame it happened, a small minority have now probably tarnished Scotlands good name. The events last night have been seen worldwide and spoilt a cracking reputation.

In my humble opinion the Scots are cracking fans and a commercial dream before last night. Drink hugeeeeee amounts and spend loads for the local economy and very little trouble wherever they play in the world.

I hope for your sake that last night was an isolated incident, if it was then it wont take to long to get your reputation back , any more trouble and you could be looking at getting a very unwelcome reputation due to a small group of mindless fcukwits.

Besides, Hadrians Wall was only built to stop all those empty cans of heavy rolling down into our beautiful countryside

[jtw1]

Originally Posted by gazza271

It is a shame it happened, a small minority have now probably tarnished Scotlands good name. The events last night have been seen worldwide and spoilt a cracking reputation.

In my humble opinion the Scots are cracking fans and a commercial dream before last night. Drink hugeeeeee amounts and spend loads for the local economy and very little trouble wherever they play in the world.

I hope for your sake that last night was an isolated incident, if it was then it wont take to long to get your reputation back , any more trouble and you could be looking at getting a very unwelcome reputation due to a small group of mindless fcukwits.

Besides, Hadrians Wall was only built to stop all those empty cans of heavy rolling down into our beautiful countryside

As long as those cans were empty

[AJ]

Wow, what a great thread, 204 replies in 4 hours. A bit raw in places to be sure, but it's very honest and heartfelt. You can feel the emotion here.

I'll move this to classics at some point.

[ScottyXS]

Glad to see the return of ScottishBhoy87
I can see why he might pee off Rangers supporters, but at the end of the day, what he said wasnt bigoted or too aggressive towards the ger's pack.
I think alexmac is a decent enuff guy (is from glasgow too after all), but got a bit too heated there. to call him a cnut then ban him, was a bit harsh.
MJB20_2008 I believe your posts are very true
in relation, to the COMPLETELY unrelated scotland-england theme, i think englands a good side, but is very over-rated as JJ says. think that is somewhat to do with your club sides too, and how successful they are, integrated with a FEW english players.
on the world stage its very hard to compete though, when your playing off against countries who have 10 times the population, the players are not majorly and utterly over-pampered when they reach anywhere near decent at football, and that can train in the sun for 12+ hours in the day, 365 days a year.
Thats my 2 cents worth.

[Robbie1960]

Originally Posted by ScottishBhoy87

Falkirk's Westfield stadium is only half complete, with plans for a third stand

A football supporters website is being investigated by police after councillors in Falkirk received death threats.
The intimidation follows criticism of the council over the future of Falkirk Football Club's Westfield stadium, which is only half complete.
Falkirk Council has a financial stake in the stadium.
The One F In Falkirk site also called for fans to chant "scum" at councillors attending football matches.
The most offensive postings, which called for councillors to be shot and stabbed, have now been removed.
The forum, which has no affiliation with Falkirk Football Club, also features calls for fans to boycott council members' businesses over the issue.
Although construction on the stadium began in 2003, only two stands have been completed.
Some of my colleagues have been interviewed by police about these threats and given personal protection advice


Cllr Malcolm Nicol

Financial concerns and planning issues associated with the stadium's proximity to the Grangemouth oil refinery have resulted in delays to the completion of the project.
In response to the threats, Supt Robbie McGregor, Falkirk's area commander at Central Scotland Police, said: "We have received complaints regarding the content of a website which we are investigating.
"As it is subject to an ongoing police inquiry it would be inappropriate to comment further."
In January, the local authority did give the green light for a third stand to be built, which will seat about 2,000 fans, thanks to a £2m pledge from Schuh founder and Falkirk supporter Sandy Alexander.
Councillor Malcolm Nicol, who is among those targeted by the site, said he could not afford to be complacent about the threats.
He said: "Falkirk Football Club is a private company. There's got to be a limit on the assistance that it receives from the public purse.
"I think people understand this but there seems to be minority who don't.
"These remarks have been written by a few hotheads but when people put death threats onto a website you have to be careful that it doesn't reach the wrong person.
"Some of my colleagues have been interviewed by police about these threats and given personal protection advice."
The Westfield stadium and its surrounding 42 acres is owned and managed by the Falkirk Community Stadium Ltd, a joint venture company involving Falkirk Football Club and Falkirk Council.


you in diguise Robbo.?

....Dont believe everything that you read in the press. I am a member of that forum ( One F in Falkirk )....i started the thread where the alleged threat was posted. Personally, i never saw any threats, neither has anyone else on that forum. The feeling seems to be that a few politicians are trying to stir up some trouble for the Falkirk fans and deflect the main issues concerning the development of the stadium away from themselves. Malcolm Nicol who seems to be the spokesman for this event, has a shop in Grangemouth, other elected representatives also have businesses in the area. One member posted that he would like to see all Falkirk fans boycott the businesses owned and run by these people.
If these serious threats have been made ( which i very much doubt and sincerley hope not ) i would imagine that the police could easliy find out the IP addy of the offender. Take a bit of time out ScottishBhoy and have a wee read through it . ( The thread to look for is....Finishing The Stadium: The Councils Role )

[davidmphill]

Originally Posted by AJ

Wow, what a great thread, 204 replies in 4 hours. A bit raw in places to be sure, but it's very honest and heartfelt. You can feel the emotion here.

I'll move this to classics at some point.

I can't see when thats going to happen unless you close it and open up a new one. One of the most explosive threads in recent times. A lot of shite spoken in here mind.

[Matt]

What pi$$es me off is that if 2 grown up intelligent men have those views then what chance is there for their children or the youth of today ? Their kids see dad laughing at police officers getting beaten up . Thats one of the many reasons why this country is so fcuked up.

Gazza, I can try to understand where you are coming from but when you go away with football a lot and you see how some police officers behave it is very hard to feel any sympathy whatsoever for them.

Like ive said ive been assaulted, beaten, taunted and goaded by coppers on many many occasions so I's sure you can see why I'm not going to get upset when I see one getting a beating of his own. Didnt look so tough when he didnt have 100 of his mates and a weapon backing him up did he.....

Yeah I take the point it could have been you or staffy, or even 3 of the lads I know locally who are in the force, but in the back of my mind it could also be those people ready to give me a kicking next time I "misbehave"......

Though I your defence ive never had any problems from the met...... but ive been kicked in twice by west mids police force.....on one occasion dragged down a stairwell with 2 others (10 coppers) told "dont know what the police are like in Leicester but us lot are mean bastards" and then proceded to leave us so battered I couldnt stand for 5 mins...

Dont mean to bleat on but just trying to give you an idea of why a lot of folk wont give much sympathy for this situation.

[nastro 1888]

Originally Posted by alexmac

Just like the fcuking bellend who invaded the pitch at Ibrox againt Haifa (or Tel Aviv) wearing a Pope Jone Paul 2 t-shirt and chained himself to the posts.

Clearly he was a prod.... Oh no, wait a sec, he was a tic fan, yet Rangers got fined. Good one UEFA.

you get fined for not ensuring the field of play is breached, as in celtic for the idiot who ran on to the park at the Milan match.



this is a basic rule, not one that should really need explained.


oops forgot - your a mod

[nastro 1888]

diabolical scenes these, as bad as ive seen frankly..

and this is nothing to do with point-scoring




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQd8yDuWwJk

[AJ]

See no need whatsoever for a second thread on this subject.

Merged

[WASP]

Originally Posted by gazza271

Boring and predictable I may be (and a lot of other things too ) but before you go back to poker Bri answer my question, How does it look and what attitude will your kids grow up with when they see dad laughing at coppers getting beaten up ?

Jump off your high horse Gaz and when exactly was I laughing

As for the paper cut comments (tut tut) you have chosen your career and you can leave whenever you see fit.

As for bringing my kids into this, this has nothing to do with you how I bring my children up but for the record my children know EXACTLY what coppers are like. Like Matt said I have seen it too many times at England and City matches from both sides and I have all the obvious stories that you will no doubt laugh off. Just because you and staffy are coppers (and mods) does that mean we have to tip toe around the issue so we do not hurt your feelings?

[whycantistayawayfromdogs]

Originally Posted by Matt

Like ive said ive been assaulted, beaten, taunted and goaded by coppers on many many occasions so I's sure you can see why I'm not going to get upset when I see one getting a beating of his own. Didnt look so tough when he didnt have 100 of his mates and a weapon backing him up did he.....

is that really what the life of a 25 year old is like, 'aint so tough now are ya??!?', shouldnt you have left this sorta shite in the schoolyard about 10 years ago...? Hes doing a job, you (now im generealising, i really mean people who go to football matches and start stuff) are a complete inconvenience and stop cities from running as they should at times.

[whycantistayawayfromdogs]

Originally Posted by WASP

As for bringing my kids into this, this has nothing to do with you how I bring my children up but for the record my children know EXACTLY what coppers are like.

steralize them now!

[AJ]

From the times..


He does appear to have a point, out of the bigot brothers, Celtic seem to be much more welcome south of the border for friendlies etc etc...

Rangers' hooligan problem biggest in Britain

Sport professor Alan Bairner claims that trouble was 'completely predictable' and that it is time to tackle the problem

Kevin Eason, Sports News Correspondent


Rangers fans rampaging through the streets of Manchester have betrayed the image of the Tartan Army as a peace-loving band of supporters applauded and loved throughout the football world. Professor Alan Bairner, of Loughborough University's School of Sport and Exercise Sciences, long ago picked out Rangers as having the biggest hooligan problem in the British game.
He issued warnings days before the Uefa Cup final at the City of Manchester Stadium that trouble was likely. He said yesterday: “It was completely predictable. The reputation of Rangers fans stretches back to the 1970s and is distinctly different from the Tartan Army.
“There has been a problem for a long time and perhaps the events in Manchester will now mean that something is done, because Rangers have the biggest problem in British football.”
The problems of sectarianism in Glasgow between the Protestant supporters of Rangers and the Catholic fans of Celtic have long been documented, but Bairner, himself a Scot, pointed out that Celtic took 100,000 fans to Seville in 2003 for their Uefa Cup final with barely a hint of trouble and the team was often welcomed to England to play in friendly matches. However, Rangers carry a distinctive and individual threat.
Bairner added: “This is not something that happens with the national team, nor does it happen with Celtic. It seems that where Rangers are, there is potential for trouble.”

[Sharpe1ne]

I'm disgusted with the attitude to the police by some people.Claiming to know exactly what coppers are like,if you want to live in the past on how you got treated by the police then thats a pretty sad opinion.Why can't you start afresh with your views on them.I bet they helped you out many a time but you've not really appreciated it 100%.No wonder there are scummy little trouble makers who have no respect for the police if there parents attitudes have tainted them.
I'd actually love it if the police decided to go on strike for every football match then that would be the end of football in the UK ,most police would never want to be on duty then anyway as it's taking police off the streets to go after peadophiles,child abusers and other criminals that are out there.
These people do a job that 90% of us would shite ourselves at and have to deal with tradgedy in other peoples and there own lives but pillocks who want to cause trouble with them feel completly satisfied that they've behaved like an animal.
To those people out there who thinks it's fun to attack and abuse police officers I hope to god you never get any tradgedy in your own,family or child's life as what would happen if the police came round and just laughed at your misfortune.

[888]

C'mon lads stop bashing the police, at least the police force in your country knows work ethic. Back in my country, situations like that would probably warrant rubber bullets as a resolution method. Tear Gas will be without a doubt used too

Thumbs up to Manchester Police force

[MJB20_2008]

Perhaps Scotlands most respected sports journalist, Graeme Spiers, has written an interesting piece in today's Times over the appaling scenes on Wednesday night. Makes an interesting read and gives some media perspective on the issue.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/spo...cle3942106.ece

[AJ]

To take this a smudge off topic, I got thinking a about a story a few years ago when some british troops were filmed knocking the crap out iraqi prisoners. I condemed them then, and to be honest I think the police do engage in the same behaviour from time to time. I've had an unjustifable kicking (and related arrest) from a cop years ago.

Abuse of power by the police or a fight or flight reaction when faced with large numbers of hostile people ? Dunno. I'm willing to give the cops a free pass on this one, it's not like it was done in cold blood.

I might have been wrong a couple of years ago on the iraqi thing. Not sure. Pretty sure the police were provoked, they didn't charge into a quiet lawful crowd with battons drawn. Bit excessive in places? Sure, but no one is dead.

Another though has just occurred to me, hasn't every european final Rangers has ever played in been against russian opposition, and didn't it end badly in a riot last time too.