Arsenal v Birmingham - Taylor Red Card - Page 3 - The Punters Lounge

Valiant23 · 23-02-2008, 17:22

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Originally Posted by AK1979

The earlier picture doesnt do it justice i think this one below tells the real story

It didn't appear to be that bad to me in real time.

I still think its an over reaction from Arsenal though.

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Originally Posted by AK1979

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So many of his players have made terrible fouls, dangerous tackles over the years

Give me an example please.

No point is there? Wenger never saw them.

Carl · 23-02-2008, 17:23

haven't seen the real footage( no pun ) but it came over the commentry at work and they said it didnt seem that bad of a tackle, now to be fair to Tiny Taylor he isnt a dirty player, slow? yeah he's slow but he's not a dirty player and would never go in a challenge like this with intent.

besides its only a scratch

GotaFancy? · 23-02-2008, 17:33

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Originally Posted by AK1979

Straight leg, studs definitely showing - it's not really defendable from that pic is it?

meatman · 23-02-2008, 17:35

First thing I heard about this was on Soccer saturday when they interviewed Wenger.

I expected a really shocking tackle

To be honest, I think It's bad but I've certainly seen worse. I personally don't believe he goes in there with an intent to cause injury.

As Carl says, he's not a dirty player

Banned for life? well that is an overeaction yeh, just heat of the moment stuff from Wenger really. Most managers would probably have the same reaction though wouldn't they immediately after the match?

WoodyTHFC · 23-02-2008, 17:37

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Originally Posted by AK1979

Give me an example please.

The fact you have got 70+ red cards since Wenger has been there since says something about your disciplinary record imo. I will give a few examples of really bad challenges just off memory, Wright v Schmeichel and Cole v Thatcher, there are more I'm sure. They may not have been deliberate (we do not really know for sure) but we cant tell Taylor's was deliberate today and I very much doubt it was imo .Ok it is not pretty and possibly deserved a red although I have not seen enough angles to even be concrete on that. I hope the injured player gets better but for Wenger to come out and say Taylor should get a life ban in light of his teams' behaviour over the years is disgraceful and smacks of complete hpyocrisy. It does not surprise me either.

Sharpe1ne · 23-02-2008, 17:39

From that pic again it doesn't tell everything.
He connected with the base of his foot and the momentum pushes the foot up to his shin,you can even see his sock stretching up.

Plus if you want a dangerous tackle by an Arsenal player this one could have took his leg clean off.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HthScJ9FnDg

Matt · 23-02-2008, 17:48

Like Wenger but his comments were silly today, no need to say that as it wasnt the worst tackle ive ever seen...

as for Gallas, what a prick, havnt seen a captain behave as badly as that since Keane chased the ref 50 yards across the pitch at OT.

steveadam23 · 23-02-2008, 18:18

There is no defence for Taylor. He went in late, high and with studs showing. Oce of the worst I have seen for a while - probably since David Busst's break at Old Trafford.

He deserves a lengthy ban for that chalenge - exactly the sort of thing none of us want to see in the game.

Steve.

whycantistayawayfromdogs · 23-02-2008, 18:41

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Originally Posted by kevshat

His studs are pointing down, his foot is the height the ball would be. Eduardo had lost control of the ball but due to his speed managed to get there fractionally before Taylor who as I said unfortunately got Eduardo's standing leg as he was turning. Purely an accident.

An accident, yes, a red card, yes

A-Team · 23-02-2008, 20:41

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Originally Posted by Sharpe1ne

From that pic again it doesn't tell everything.
He connected with the base of his foot and the momentum pushes the foot up to his shin,you can even see his sock stretching up.

His momentum? Taylor is still in mid air coming downwards in that shot. Your theory defies the laws of physics.

goater14 · 23-02-2008, 22:13

http://d.yimg.com/eur.yimg.com/ng/sp/empic...-st-andrews.jpg
Pretty horrific picture,(dont think its been posted on here yet) wish the lad all the best.

GotaFancy? · 23-02-2008, 22:24

THink that's the one AK1947 posted, that I managed to lose

peteg40 · 23-02-2008, 23:10

yeah not a bad tackle....WTF are some of you on then....

Nothing wrong was there...... that's why sky wouldn't show the incident....now how many times as that happened come on tell me that.....

Had info that he as a broken ankle,broken shin bone and a broken leg....

AK's picture tells it all..... studs showing high up the leg between ankle and knee..... STRAIGHT RED broken bone or NOT...

Just hope he recovers to play again

Football-Tipper · 23-02-2008, 23:18

Did he mean it, No i dont think he did, was it a stupid dangerous reckless challenge hell yeah, 3 match ban? Id like to see a few more games put onto it maybe a 5 or 7 match ban!! No excuses for the lad really........

GotaFancy? · 23-02-2008, 23:26

Wenger retracts comments against Taylor as "excessive"
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/foot...em/7261153.stm

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Wenger retracts Taylor criticism

Martin Taylor (out of shot) is sent off as Eduardo receives treatment

Arsenal manager Arsene Wenger says his initial comments that Birmingham captain Martin Taylor "should never play football again" were "excessive".
Wenger claimed the third-minute tackle which broke Eduardo's leg and earned Taylor a red card was "horrendous".
But later on Saturday Wenger said: "I feel that my comments about Martin Taylor were excessive. I said what I did in the heat of the moment.
"It was a highly emotional afternoon and we were all shocked by the injury."

Interview: Arsenal boss Arsene Wenger

Interview: Birmingham boss Alex McLeish

Eduardo, 24, remained lying on the pitch for seven minutes as medical staff attended to him before he was stretchered off and taken to hospital.
He underwent surgery later on Saturday and will miss the rest of the season, with Wenger fearing a "much longer" absence.
Birmingham manager Alex McLeish sprang to the defence of his player.
"Martin's not a dirty player. He's distraught over Eduardo's injury," he said.

Martin Taylor is adamant there was no malicious intent in the tackle and he is deeply upset by the extent of Eduardo's injury

Birmingham statement

"I've seen the challenge and, yes, the studs land on Eduardo's ankle. In slow motion these tackles always look bad but he's not a malicious player - Eduardo was just too quick for him," he explained.
"The referee's done his job, it's a sending off, but Taylor's not a malicious player."
Birmingham released a statement later on Saturday saying the club were "saddened that such a fantastic game of football has been marred by a serious injury"
It added: "Martin Taylor is adamant there was no malicious intent in the tackle and he is deeply upset by the extent of Eduardo's injury.
"Having reviewed the incident, this (no malicious intent) is clearly the case. The club and Martin Taylor would like to send their very best wishes to the player for a speedy recovery."

The minimum is his season is over and we are scared that it is much longer

Wenger on Eduardo

The seriousness of the injury was apparent as both sets of players and medical staff looked shocked while Eduardo was treated on the pitch.
The Brazilian-born striker now looks certain to miss out on Croatia's participation at Euro 2008 in June.
"It was a massive shock for the team. They've seen what kind of state he was in," Wenger added.
"He's a fantastic guy and to see him in such pain and the shape of his leg was very difficult for the players.
"We hope he comes back quickly but the minimum is his season is over and we are scared that it is much longer."
Wenger hit out at the way he feels his team have been targeted by opponents.

Martin Taylor is the biggest, gentlest man

Wigan and former Birmingham boss Steve Bruce

"It goes with the idea that to stop Arsenal you have to kick Arsenal and that kind of thing was waiting to happen," he said.
"Many people have got away with too many bad tackles. We've escaped a few times but it's just not acceptable. If that is football it's better to stop it.
"The worst thing you hear after is that 'he's not the kind of guy who usually does that', but you need to only kill one person one time - it's enough."
Wigan boss Steve Bruce, who signed Taylor from Blackburn when he was Blues boss in February 2004, said his former player would never intentionally hurt anyone. "Martin Taylor is the biggest, gentlest man," said Bruce. "There will be nobody more upset and sickened than him, there is not a bad bone in his body. "He would never, ever do anything malicious. He has mis-timed the tackle, and I've seen it. Some would say it is not even a yellow card."

Football-Tipper · 23-02-2008, 23:28

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Wigan boss Steve Bruce, who signed Taylor from Blackburn when he was Blues boss in February 2004, said his former player would never intentionally hurt anyone. "Martin Taylor is the biggest, gentlest man," said Bruce. "There will be nobody more upset and sickened than him, there is not a bad bone in his body. "He would never, ever do anything malicious. He has mis-timed the tackle, and I've seen it. Some would say it is not even a yellow card."

hmmmm right

ksportz · 23-02-2008, 23:32

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I wonder if the Arsenal coaches will whine about it, the same coaches who said nothing at all last week when 3 arsenal players tried to take out Nani for showboating..

Just what I was thinking...

You see tackles like that every week and the law of averages states that one day, one slow defender is gonna catch someones leg at the wrong angle and cause a fracture. It just happened to be the unlucky Eduardo

AK - It could have happened to Nani last week as and the tackles against him (for entertaining a HOME crowd) were a disgrace but you still defend by saying you can't compare today with last week. You can compare today with last week as they were all bad tackles...

BTW you were robbed of the points today. Birmingham penalty was never as Clichy clearly got the ball.

BTW Gallas.. what a cock... apart from anything else it made it seem to the rest of his team as if it was a title decider. Not a very good example for a captain to set.

All the best to Eduardo.. I wish him a speedy recovery..

WoodyTHFC · 23-02-2008, 23:44

Well fair play to the guy for apologising for once. In the past when his behaviour has been bad he has been too stubborn to back down from his actions. I think of the Jol incident as an example when he clashed with Jol and refused to shake his hand or later come out and apologise even though the whole evidence of the situation and indeed the reaction of some of his players laterly showed he was wrong.

As to replys by some that Taylor should get more than a 3 match ban then I disagree. If we start handing added bans out freely like that then it sets a dangerous precedent, just because the bloke got injured badly does not mean we should add more to the ban. Thinking of some examples this season by Arsenal players, Eboue on Terry/Nani, Bendtner v Everton to name a couple are also bad challenges and indeed led in some cases to injuries, Terry out for weeks but nevertheless I do not think the ban should be added to. Indeed Eboue v Terry Im not sure if he was banned at all (no red) which does seem slightly wrong imo and in that case there could be a case to look at given a 3 match ban. However unless there was actual intent in that it was Taylor's purpose or that he was virtually certain that his actions (tackle) would cause the consequence (injury) to the player then intent is not there and imo there is no way you can say there was intent.

AK1979 · 24-02-2008, 10:49

Aside from the Wright tackle on Schmeichel which admittedly was a shocker, none of the aforementioned come close to Taylors yesterday. He has come in about a foot over the ball with his studs showng and possibly ended the career of another player and yet he is still being defended. I thought this was the kind of thing we are looking to get rid of?

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Originally Posted by AK1979

Straight leg, studs definitely showing - it's not really defendable from that pic is it?

Apparently it is, i give up

Sharpe1ne · 24-02-2008, 11:14

Match of the Day showed it and I reckon he'll be lucky if he plays to his potential again,if at all again.
Though whilst watching the highlights last night,I can't remember seeing another tackle at all after that.
To call for a ban of more than 3 matches is just a joke,it's a tackle gone wrong and there are hundreds of these a season just unlucky that his leg snapped.He didn't go out there to ruin his career he just missed the ball.

If it was like Keane on Haaland then you could ban him for life but it aint.
Seem to remember a tackle when Shaun Wright Phillips played for City when the defender came charging in and caught him high with studs showing.Phillips was going at full pelt and was stopped dead in his tracks and his leg just bent and then was alright again.

23-02-2008, 17:23	#42 (permalink)
Carl Carpe diem baby Join Date: 06 Feb 2004 Location: Ewood Age: 36 Posts: 28,761	Re: Arsenal v Birmingham - Taylor Red Card haven't seen the real footage( no pun ) but it came over the commentry at work and they said it didnt seem that bad of a tackle, now to be fair to Tiny Taylor he isnt a dirty player, slow? yeah he's slow but he's not a dirty player and would never go in a challenge like this with intent. besides its only a scratch __________________ www.farbets.co.uk So I'll cash my cheques and place my bets And hope I'll always win Even if I don't I'm fcuked because I live a life of sin.

23-02-2008, 17:35	#44 (permalink)
meatman meaty punter Join Date: 26 Feb 2005 Age: 21 Posts: 12,960 Awards Showcase Total Awards: 2	Re: Arsenal v Birmingham - Taylor Red Card First thing I heard about this was on Soccer saturday when they interviewed Wenger. I expected a really shocking tackle To be honest, I think It's bad but I've certainly seen worse. I personally don't believe he goes in there with an intent to cause injury. As Carl says, he's not a dirty player Banned for life? well that is an overeaction yeh, just heat of the moment stuff from Wenger really. Most managers would probably have the same reaction though wouldn't they immediately after the match?

23-02-2008, 17:39	#46 (permalink)
Sharpe1ne Clint's Back Join Date: 03 Nov 2005 Location: Blackburn Age: 33 Posts: 3,221	Re: Arsenal v Birmingham - Taylor Red Card From that pic again it doesn't tell everything. He connected with the base of his foot and the momentum pushes the foot up to his shin,you can even see his sock stretching up. Plus if you want a dangerous tackle by an Arsenal player this one could have took his leg clean off. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HthScJ9FnDg __________________ Lois, before I found these movies, women only made me cry through my penis. Now they make me cry through my eyes. Peter Griffin.

23-02-2008, 17:48	#47 (permalink)
Matt Hotel Room Smasher Punter Join Date: 12 Mar 2001 Location: Leicester Age: 25 Posts: 10,208	Re: Arsenal v Birmingham - Taylor Red Card Like Wenger but his comments were silly today, no need to say that as it wasnt the worst tackle ive ever seen... as for Gallas, what a prick, havnt seen a captain behave as badly as that since Keane chased the ref 50 yards across the pitch at OT. __________________ "Ohhhh what a beauty......I've never seen one as big as that beforeeeeeeee" Bumble is a Legend.

23-02-2008, 18:18	#48 (permalink)
steveadam23 Uber-Geek Punter Join Date: 15 Jun 2005 Location: Aberdeen Age: 30 Posts: 1,115 Awards Showcase Total Awards: 1	Re: Arsenal v Birmingham - Taylor Red Card There is no defence for Taylor. He went in late, high and with studs showing. Oce of the worst I have seen for a while - probably since David Busst's break at Old Trafford. He deserves a lengthy ban for that chalenge - exactly the sort of thing none of us want to see in the game. Steve. __________________ In order to live, you must be willing to die.

23-02-2008, 22:13	#51 (permalink)
goater14 dead money walking Join Date: 25 Jan 2007 Location: Bristol Age: 41 Posts: 1,005 Awards Showcase Total Awards: 2	Re: Arsenal v Birmingham - Taylor Red Card http://d.yimg.com/eur.yimg.com/ng/sp/empic...-st-andrews.jpg Pretty horrific picture,(dont think its been posted on here yet) wish the lad all the best. __________________ In spite of what you,ve been told about Elvis, the good die old and helpless.

23-02-2008, 22:24	#52 (permalink)
GotaFancy? God Punter Join Date: 18 Jun 2005 Posts: 34,336 Awards Showcase Total Awards: 4	Re: Arsenal v Birmingham - Taylor Red Card THink that's the one AK1947 posted, that I managed to lose

23-02-2008, 23:10	#53 (permalink)
peteg40 God Punter Join Date: 26 Oct 2004 Location: central uk Age: 46 Posts: 5,138	Re: Arsenal v Birmingham - Taylor Red Card yeah not a bad tackle....WTF are some of you on then.... Nothing wrong was there...... that's why sky wouldn't show the incident....now how many times as that happened come on tell me that..... Had info that he as a broken ankle,broken shin bone and a broken leg.... AK's picture tells it all..... studs showing high up the leg between ankle and knee..... STRAIGHT RED broken bone or NOT... Just hope he recovers to play again

23-02-2008, 23:18	#54 (permalink)
Football-Tipper God Punter Join Date: 06 Oct 2005 Age: 35 Posts: 6,538	Re: Arsenal v Birmingham - Taylor Red Card Did he mean it, No i dont think he did, was it a stupid dangerous reckless challenge hell yeah, 3 match ban? Id like to see a few more games put onto it maybe a 5 or 7 match ban!! No excuses for the lad really........

23-02-2008, 23:44	#58 (permalink)
WoodyTHFC God Punter Join Date: 04 Mar 2007 Age: 20 Posts: 3,240 Awards Showcase Total Awards: 1	Re: Arsenal v Birmingham - Taylor Red Card Well fair play to the guy for apologising for once. In the past when his behaviour has been bad he has been too stubborn to back down from his actions. I think of the Jol incident as an example when he clashed with Jol and refused to shake his hand or later come out and apologise even though the whole evidence of the situation and indeed the reaction of some of his players laterly showed he was wrong. As to replys by some that Taylor should get more than a 3 match ban then I disagree. If we start handing added bans out freely like that then it sets a dangerous precedent, just because the bloke got injured badly does not mean we should add more to the ban. Thinking of some examples this season by Arsenal players, Eboue on Terry/Nani, Bendtner v Everton to name a couple are also bad challenges and indeed led in some cases to injuries, Terry out for weeks but nevertheless I do not think the ban should be added to. Indeed Eboue v Terry Im not sure if he was banned at all (no red) which does seem slightly wrong imo and in that case there could be a case to look at given a 3 match ban. However unless there was actual intent in that it was Taylor's purpose or that he was virtually certain that his actions (tackle) would cause the consequence (injury) to the player then intent is not there and imo there is no way you can say there was intent. Last edited by WoodyTHFC; 23-02-2008 at 23:45.

24-02-2008, 11:14	#60 (permalink)
Sharpe1ne Clint's Back Join Date: 03 Nov 2005 Location: Blackburn Age: 33 Posts: 3,221	Re: Arsenal v Birmingham - Taylor Red Card Match of the Day showed it and I reckon he'll be lucky if he plays to his potential again,if at all again. Though whilst watching the highlights last night,I can't remember seeing another tackle at all after that. To call for a ban of more than 3 matches is just a joke,it's a tackle gone wrong and there are hundreds of these a season just unlucky that his leg snapped.He didn't go out there to ruin his career he just missed the ball. If it was like Keane on Haaland then you could ban him for life but it aint. Seem to remember a tackle when Shaun Wright Phillips played for City when the defender came charging in and caught him high with studs showing.Phillips was going at full pelt and was stopped dead in his tracks and his leg just bent and then was alright again. __________________ Lois, before I found these movies, women only made me cry through my penis. Now they make me cry through my eyes. Peter Griffin. Last edited by Sharpe1ne; 24-02-2008 at 11:14.

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