Your thoughts on this please.... sectarian or not? - The Punters Lounge

alexmac · 13-04-2008, 22:17

I am interested to see what people's thoughts are on this matter.

Obviously, I know what my thoughts are, but to the general public, what do you think?

If a song/chant (which may, or may not be sung by supporters of a particular football club/s) were to contain the terms IRA, or UVF, would that be a sectarian song/chant?

Its a simple yes/no question I guess...

Cheers

Dodger · 13-04-2008, 22:25

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general public

That's me that is!
And I'm sorry but, without looking it up, I don't even know what 'sectarian' actually means.

Have never been deeply into Irish politics so I'll just have to leave this to those with a greater depth of understanding than me...but I'd be interested to know just what % of the English general public also don't fully understand what sectarianism is.

BillHicks · 13-04-2008, 22:28

Yeah it's sectarian IMHO. I remember seeing a coachload of celtic fans on their way to a european match and I couldnt believe how vile their IR/A themed tshirts were, this was a few years ago though and Id naively hope after 10 years of relative peace in N Ireland both sides are a bit more relaxed and have their rivalry in proprtion.

alexmac · 13-04-2008, 22:29

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Irish politics

Sectarianism is not simply linked to Irish politics, far from it.

alexmac · 13-04-2008, 22:30

By the way. This IS NOT to turn into a slanging match between Celtic/Rangers. That IS NOT the intention of this thread.

I am interested to see what people think about the matter...

Mr Intensity · 13-04-2008, 22:37

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Originally Posted by Dodger

That's me that is!
And I'm sorry but, without looking it up, I don't even know what 'sectarian' actually means.

Have never been deeply into Irish politics so I'll just have to leave this to those with a greater depth of understanding than me...but I'd be interested to know just what % of the English general public also don't fully understand what sectarianism is.

Me too - also don't know what UVF is. Also don't know why the Irish stuff would be about Celtic and Rangers

.

Mmm, bye

alexmac · 13-04-2008, 22:39

UVF - Ulster Volunteer Force

Mr Intensity · 13-04-2008, 22:40

Cheers

Shaking · 13-04-2008, 22:42

i voted no, although some songs from both sides will clearly do, if the song is a reference to the particular groups mentioned and do not mention the other side in there song then no.

gazabroad · 13-04-2008, 22:43

Of course its meant to be, without doubt. Thing is nowadays, half these dickheads dont know the meaning of what they're singing.
That goes for english as well.

alexmac · 13-04-2008, 22:49

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i voted no, although some songs from both sides will clearly do, if the song is a reference to the particular groups mentioned and do not mention the other side in there song then no.

I don't understand that...!???!!!???

AJ · 13-04-2008, 22:49

Don't know the answer to the question, other than to say the person singing it was a fcukwit, in fact outwidth of Scottish and Irish people i'm not sure anyone else would care.

alexmac · 13-04-2008, 22:51

I don't know about that AJ...

At England matches you can clearly hear people referring to the IRA in chants... Is this sectarian??? Or, do the people who join in with these chants simply not know/understand what they are saying...?

AJ · 13-04-2008, 22:56

Nah mate, it's no different to people making bomber noises and singing the dambusters theme when playing the germans. doesn't mean they hate Germans

95% of people at an England game wouldn't sing this kinda thing, just the neo nazis. The IRA is history, the war is over, they won.

time to move on and forget about it

Big Gaz · 13-04-2008, 22:57

FYI

UDA - ulster defence association

UVF - ulster volunteer force

UFF - ulster freedom fighters - smaller division of the UDA

IRA - well we all know that

PIRA - provisional irish republican army

Alex this may be a topic that may divert from its purpose m8

Mr Intensity · 13-04-2008, 22:58

But who are the good guys?

alexmac · 13-04-2008, 23:01

I hope not, and if it does I'll just remove it...

I am just curious as to what peoples' perceptions are of the whole topic.

AJ. I couldn't agree more. You are probably right however, this is still a kind of Scottish thing.

alexmac · 13-04-2008, 23:01

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But who are the good guys?

There were no good guys. Both sides were equally disgusting IMO.

Mr Intensity · 13-04-2008, 23:04

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Originally Posted by alexmac

There were no good guys. Both sides were equally disgusting IMO.

Right, fecking Irish

Coat.....gone.....

alexmac · 13-04-2008, 23:06

View Poll Results: is a song or chant which contains IRA/UVF references sectarian?
YES	5	83.33%
NO	1	16.67%
Voters: 6. You may not vote on this poll

13-04-2008, 22:17	#1 (permalink)
alexmac RFC-51 League Wins Punter Join Date: 09 May 2003 Location: Reading/Glasvegas Age: 25 Posts: 6,746	Your thoughts on this please.... sectarian or not? I am interested to see what people's thoughts are on this matter. Obviously, I know what my thoughts are, but to the general public, what do you think? If a song/chant (which may, or may not be sung by supporters of a particular football club/s) were to contain the terms IRA, or UVF, would that be a sectarian song/chant? Its a simple yes/no question I guess... Cheers __________________ We welcome the chase. It is healthy for us. We will never hide from it. Never fear, inevitably we shall have our years of failure, and when they arrive, we must reveal tolerance and sanity. Bill Struth (1875-1956)

13-04-2008, 22:28	#3 (permalink)
BillHicks Shrewdie Punter Join Date: 21 Aug 2007 Posts: 571	Re: Your thoughts on this please.... sectarian or not? Yeah it's sectarian IMHO. I remember seeing a coachload of celtic fans on their way to a european match and I couldnt believe how vile their IR/A themed tshirts were, this was a few years ago though and Id naively hope after 10 years of relative peace in N Ireland both sides are a bit more relaxed and have their rivalry in proprtion.

13-04-2008, 22:30	#5 (permalink)
alexmac RFC-51 League Wins Punter Join Date: 09 May 2003 Location: Reading/Glasvegas Age: 25 Posts: 6,746	Re: Your thoughts on this please.... sectarian or not? By the way. This IS NOT to turn into a slanging match between Celtic/Rangers. That IS NOT the intention of this thread. I am interested to see what people think about the matter... __________________ We welcome the chase. It is healthy for us. We will never hide from it. Never fear, inevitably we shall have our years of failure, and when they arrive, we must reveal tolerance and sanity. Bill Struth (1875-1956)

13-04-2008, 22:39	#7 (permalink)
alexmac RFC-51 League Wins Punter Join Date: 09 May 2003 Location: Reading/Glasvegas Age: 25 Posts: 6,746	Re: Your thoughts on this please.... sectarian or not? UVF - Ulster Volunteer Force __________________ We welcome the chase. It is healthy for us. We will never hide from it. Never fear, inevitably we shall have our years of failure, and when they arrive, we must reveal tolerance and sanity. Bill Struth (1875-1956)

13-04-2008, 22:40	#8 (permalink)
Mr Intensity Mens Doubles Punter Join Date: 21 Dec 2003 Location: Newcastle upon Tyne Age: 24 Posts: 10,014	Re: Your thoughts on this please.... sectarian or not? Cheers __________________ I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts - as support rather than illumination. (Andrew Lang) Everyone thought Einstein was crazy until he started kicking ass.

13-04-2008, 22:42	#9 (permalink)
Shaking Junior Punter Join Date: 10 Apr 2008 Posts: 70	Re: Your thoughts on this please.... sectarian or not? i voted no, although some songs from both sides will clearly do, if the song is a reference to the particular groups mentioned and do not mention the other side in there song then no. Last edited by Shaking; 13-04-2008 at 22:46.

13-04-2008, 22:43	#10 (permalink)
gazabroad In the pub punter Join Date: 12 Jan 2005 Location: gran canaria Age: 44 Posts: 2,140 Awards Showcase Total Awards: 2	Re: Your thoughts on this please.... sectarian or not? Of course its meant to be, without doubt. Thing is nowadays, half these dickheads dont know the meaning of what they're singing. That goes for english as well.

13-04-2008, 22:49	#12 (permalink)
AJ Punter Punter Join Date: 06 Jan 2002 Location: Auckland Age: 37 Posts: 10,506 Awards Showcase Total Awards: 2	Re: Your thoughts on this please.... sectarian or not? Don't know the answer to the question, other than to say the person singing it was a fcukwit, in fact outwidth of Scottish and Irish people i'm not sure anyone else would care.

13-04-2008, 22:51	#13 (permalink)
alexmac RFC-51 League Wins Punter Join Date: 09 May 2003 Location: Reading/Glasvegas Age: 25 Posts: 6,746	Re: Your thoughts on this please.... sectarian or not? I don't know about that AJ... At England matches you can clearly hear people referring to the IRA in chants... Is this sectarian??? Or, do the people who join in with these chants simply not know/understand what they are saying...? __________________ We welcome the chase. It is healthy for us. We will never hide from it. Never fear, inevitably we shall have our years of failure, and when they arrive, we must reveal tolerance and sanity. Bill Struth (1875-1956)

13-04-2008, 22:56	#14 (permalink)
AJ Punter Punter Join Date: 06 Jan 2002 Location: Auckland Age: 37 Posts: 10,506 Awards Showcase Total Awards: 2	Re: Your thoughts on this please.... sectarian or not? Nah mate, it's no different to people making bomber noises and singing the dambusters theme when playing the germans. doesn't mean they hate Germans 95% of people at an England game wouldn't sing this kinda thing, just the neo nazis. The IRA is history, the war is over, they won. time to move on and forget about it

13-04-2008, 22:57	#15 (permalink)
Big Gaz Punters Lounge Security Join Date: 02 Aug 2005 Location: SCOTLAND Age: 36 Posts: 1,471	Re: Your thoughts on this please.... sectarian or not? FYI UDA - ulster defence association UVF - ulster volunteer force UFF - ulster freedom fighters - smaller division of the UDA IRA - well we all know that PIRA - provisional irish republican army Alex this may be a topic that may divert from its purpose m8 __________________ "Force is all-conquering, but its victories are short-lived."

13-04-2008, 22:58	#16 (permalink)
Mr Intensity Mens Doubles Punter Join Date: 21 Dec 2003 Location: Newcastle upon Tyne Age: 24 Posts: 10,014	Re: Your thoughts on this please.... sectarian or not? But who are the good guys? __________________ I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts - as support rather than illumination. (Andrew Lang) Everyone thought Einstein was crazy until he started kicking ass.

13-04-2008, 23:01	#17 (permalink)
alexmac RFC-51 League Wins Punter Join Date: 09 May 2003 Location: Reading/Glasvegas Age: 25 Posts: 6,746	Re: Your thoughts on this please.... sectarian or not? I hope not, and if it does I'll just remove it... I am just curious as to what peoples' perceptions are of the whole topic. AJ. I couldn't agree more. You are probably right however, this is still a kind of Scottish thing. __________________ We welcome the chase. It is healthy for us. We will never hide from it. Never fear, inevitably we shall have our years of failure, and when they arrive, we must reveal tolerance and sanity. Bill Struth (1875-1956)

13-04-2008, 23:06	#20 (permalink)
alexmac RFC-51 League Wins Punter Join Date: 09 May 2003 Location: Reading/Glasvegas Age: 25 Posts: 6,746	Re: Your thoughts on this please.... sectarian or not? __________________ We welcome the chase. It is healthy for us. We will never hide from it. Never fear, inevitably we shall have our years of failure, and when they arrive, we must reveal tolerance and sanity. Bill Struth (1875-1956)

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