Under rated things that are really quite good. Part Three

[AJ]

Had a couple of these threads before, but not had one for about 18 months, so I thought I'd give it a bash.

Police Officers.

Everyone bitches about them normal gripes, speeding tickets and eating donuts all day. But if you get into trouble and need them it all goes out of the window. Under paid and under appreciated.


Britian

Plenty of people complain about it, myself included. But it knocks the crap out of a lot of places, I bless the day I was born in the Uk and not some third world shit hole.

Religion

Not my thing, but it keeps well meaning people busy and stops them doing anything dangerous like trying to save the world.

Sleep

Everyone takes it for granted, but go a day without and you're screwed

[happygooner]

I agree with everything apart from religion, which to my mind can be blamed as the source of 'almost' every single argument/war/problem our world faces today.

This is not to say there is anything wrong with having faith and conviction in your own beliefs but there is a difference between that and organised religion which just tears people/family's/countries apart IMHO.

[AJ]

Originally Posted by happygooner

I agree with everything apart from religion, which to my mind can be blamed as the source of 'almost' every single argument/war/problem our world faces today.

nha mate, wars are fought over money and resource, religion is just a smokescreen to encourage the poor saps at the bottom to fight to make "the man" rich.

There's never been a single war fought due to religion, I defy anyone to name one for me

[happygooner]

Originally Posted by AJ

nha mate, wars are fought over money and resource, religion is just a smokescreen to encourage the poor saps at the bottom to fight to make "the man" rich.

There's never been a single war fought due to religion, I defy anyone to name one for me

You may have a point there (would you still apply this to the conflict in the middle east between Palestine and Israel or the conflict in Ireland which stretches beyond Ireland and affects many far from Ireland?) but religion certainly tears family's apart. I've seen that with my own eyes.

[Cassius Marcellus]

The car Living out here in the sticks is so different to London. Buses go from here to Great Yarmouth, which is 80 miles. Trying to find a fcuking bus stop, not that I want to go to Yarmouth, is like trying to find trophies in West Hams cabinet. Nearest cab office is 10 miles away, and as for going on a bike on these roads, you must have a death wish. Couldn't be without a car up here, even the LOCAL farm shop is a 2 mile walk.

[SpurMan]

Originally Posted by AJ

nha mate, wars are fought over money and resource, religion is just a smokescreen to encourage the poor saps at the bottom to fight to make "the man" rich.

There's never been a single war fought due to religion, I defy anyone to name one for me

Er, the crusades?. (At least the first couple)

[Cassius Marcellus]

As a non-footie fan I only found out a short while ago that Celtic and Rangers are different religion clubs, that's almost a war.

[PAULM03]

Windows (the microsoft kind not the sort you look through, although they're pretty cool aswell).

Say what you like about Microsoft but Windows is actually the dogs ****ing bollocks (if macs are soooooo good why do so few people use them?) Lets you do all the things you want to do on a computer and rarely breaks down these days. Add MS office into this aswell as that's top notch too. Forget internet explorer though, that's a sack o shite.

[happygooner]

Originally Posted by Cassius Marcellus

As a non-footie fan I only found out a short while ago that Celtic and Rangers are different religion clubs, that's almost a war.

Yeah, all related to the conflict in Ireland really. One of them are Catholics and one of them are Protestants.

It's not almost a war as much as a full on war!

[AJ]

Good point about Windows, it's way better than people give it credit for.

Same with CM's point about cars. I love my car, buses are crap, I just hate them.

Crusades were fought because the Islamic people blocked Europes trade to the East, and impossed huge taxes on spices and stuff like that. All about money.

Ireland ain't really about religion, you can trace the conflict there back to the fall of the Roman empire. It's ethnic. When the Roman legions left Britian in the 4th century AD, there began a Saxon invasion from Germany and the Low countries, these people fought and displaced the orginal Celtic inhabitants of Britian to the fringes, Wales, Scotland, Cornwall Ireland etc. The descendants of these Saxons are the Ulster prodestants, that have come via the platations from Scotland, they competed for land and resource against the native catholic irish celts.

Religion is just the current label for two ethnic groups that have fought for 1,600 years for control of the british isles and it's resources. Sometimes you gotta look at the meta history to put stuff in context.

[happygooner]

Originally Posted by AJ

Religion is just the current label for two ethnic groups that have fought for 1,600 years for control of the british isles and it's resources. Sometimes you gotta look at the meta history to put stuff in context.

You clearly know your history and that's fair enough. As you acknowledge though, it's all about the label. Basically when people say religion, I automatically think about 'organised religion'. And that, by it's very nature is all about money, corruption and dictatorship IMHO.

Therefore, while you think we disagree, I think we actually agree. Just looking at it from different angles. It's the label of religion I can't stand and not specifically a religious person.

[western skies]

Religion is a facilitator of wars rather than a cause of it, in that it allows the various self-interests on both sides to rouse the masses behind them.

That was such a deep thought for this time of the morning I'm going to have to crack open a can of Guinness to get over it.

[Cassius Marcellus]

If religion is an excuse for war, does that mean that us atheists don't have to go while the agnostics stand about and decide whether to go or not?

[Ebor337]

Originally Posted by AJ

Ireland ain't really about religion, you can trace the conflict there back to the fall of the Roman empire. It's ethnic. When the Roman legions left Britian in the 4th century AD, there began a Saxon invasion from Germany and the Low countries, these people fought and displaced the orginal Celtic inhabitants of Britian to the fringes, Wales, Scotland, Cornwall Ireland etc. The descendants of these Saxons are the Ulster prodestants, that have come via the platations from Scotland, they competed for land and resource against the native catholic irish celts.

Think this is a bit misleading and i actually think religion plays a fundamental (if underlying) part of the 'troubles' in Ireland.

Also, there's no evidence of a Saxon 'invasion' (in the military sense of the word), the flow of people accross the channel was constant, even in roman times and the notion of Saxons fighting british 'celts' is outdated. Most of the 'britains', except those living in Cornwall and deepest darkest wales were, by the time the saxons did settle, largely romanised.

Anyway, back on topic!!!

Christmas Carols/Songs
We all hate them in october, but come mid december the sight of Roy Woods beard must give most people a little smile.

[happygooner]

Originally Posted by Cassius Marcellus

If religion is an excuse for war, does that mean that us atheists don't have to go while the agnostics stand about and decide whether to go or not?

Very nicely put but it would never be my excuse for war haha! Correct me if i'm wrong but out of the current 'wars' there's not really any national service as such so nobody has to go....do they?. From what is currently troubling us it's more of a civil conflict than an organised war. Many people get involved, many people don't....at least not by choice. Atheists and Agnostics would most probably be part of the latter crowd who are just trying to get on with their lives the best they can.

[happygooner]

Originally Posted by Guy Fawkes

Christmas Carols/Songs
We all hate them in october, but come mid december the sight of Roy Woods beard must give most people a little smile.

I'm glad you added this one as we can maybe get back to the good stuff haha!

Any mention of religion is dangerous and seems likely to cause a largely unresolved debate where nobody can ever agree and everybody almost ends up coming to blows. Much like those fighting wars/terror campaigns in the so called name of 'religion' really.

Now back on to the Christmas songs. Has anybody heard Noel Gallaghers version of 'Merry Christmas'?

[Penelopeys]

Toilet paper

[PAULM03]

Originally Posted by Penelopeys

Toilet paper

Is toilet paper under-rated? Never heard anyone slag it off

[Penelopeys]

Originally Posted by PAULM03

Is toilet paper under-rated? Never heard anyone slag it off

Unacknowledged then

[Cassius Marcellus]

Originally Posted by PAULM03

Is toilet paper under-rated? Never heard anyone slag it off

I assume when you were at school they had toilet tissue, not the Izal slip and slide paper that smeareed shit everywhere, like it was when I was at school.