The Great Conspiracy - The 9/11 news special you never saw

[accuman]

Originally Posted by misky

The question is: Do you really want to know?

Exactly, as most people just don't want to be taken out of their comfort zone, so will immediately dismiss any evidence that challenges the official conspiracy theory...

[dontbegreat]

The media is also a terrorist.






Plus an extra bonus for today! Hear the whispers for George (very faint early but better to hear from 33ish to 35ish seconds)

[dontbegreat]

what do you think?

[accuman]

These explosive testimonies were kept from the public for nearly 4 years, it's not hard to see why...

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/package...s_full_01.html

ASSISTANT COMMISSIONER STEPHEN GREGORY Interview Date: October 3, 2001

In my conversation with Lieutenant Evangelista, never mentioning this to him, he questioned me and asked me if I saw low-level flashes in front of the building, and I agreed with him because I thought -- at that time I didn't know what it was. I mean, it could have been as a result of the building collapsing, things exploding, but I saw a flash flash flash and then it looked like the building came down.

Q. Was that on the lower level of the building or up where the fire was?

A. No, the lower level of the building. You know like when they demolish a building, how when they blow up a building, when it falls down? That's what I thought I saw. And I didn't broach the topic to him, but he asked me. He said I don't know if I'm crazy, but I just wanted to ask you because you were standing right next to me. He said did you see anything by the building? And I said what do you mean by see anything? He said did you see any flashes? I said, yes, well, I thought it was just me. He said no, I saw them, too.

CAPTAIN KARIN DESHORE Interview Date: November 7, 2001

Whatever this explosion was simply sucked all the oxygen out of the air.

Somewhere around the middle of the world trade center, there was this orange and red flash coming out. Initially it was just one flash. Then this flash just kept popping all the way around the building and that building had started to explode. The popping sound, and with each popping sound it was initially an orange and then a red flash came out of the building and then it would just go all around the building on both sides as far as I could see. These popping sounds and the explosions were getting bigger, going both up and down and then all around the building. I went inside and I told everybody that the other building or there was an explosion occurring up there and I said I think we have another major explosion…

DEPUTY COMMISSIONER THOMAS FlTZPATRlCK Interview Date: October 1, 2001

We looked up at the building straight up, we were that close. All we saw was a puff of smoke coming from about 2 thirds of the way up. Some people thought it was an explosion. I don't think I remember that. I remember seeing, it looked like sparkling around one specific layer of the building. I assume now that that was either windows starting to collapse like tinsel or something. Then the building started to come down. My initial reaction was that this was exactly the way it looks when they show you those implosions on TV.

FDNY recall "detonations" in South Tower on 9/11:

fireman2: We made it outside, we made it about a block.
fireman1: We made it at least 2 blocks.
fireman2: 2 blocks.
fireman1: and we started runnin'
fireman2: poch-poch-poch-poch-poch-poch-poch
fireman1: Floor by floor it started poppin' out ..
fireman2: It was as if as if they had detonated, det..
fireman1: yea detonated yea
fireman2: as if they had planned to take down a building,
boom-boom-boom-boom-boom-boom-boom-boom ...
fireman1: All the way down, I was watchin it, and runnin'

FIREFIGHTER EDWARD CACHIA Interview Date: December 6, 2001

As my officer and I were looking at the south tower, it just gave. It actually gave at a lower floor, not the floor where the plane hit, because we originally had thought there was like an internal detonation explosives because it went in succession, boom, boom, boom, boom, and then the tower came down.

PARAMEDIC DANIEL RIVERA Interview Date: OCTOBER 10 2001

It was a frigging noise. At first I thought it was -- do you ever see professional demolition where they set the charges on certain floors and then you hear “pop, pop, pop, pop, pop”? That’s exactly what -- because I thought it was that. When I heard that frigging noise, that’s when I saw the building coming down.

FIREFIGHTER KENNETH ROGERS Interview Date: December 10, 2001

then there was an explosion in the south tower, which according to this map, this exposure just blew out in flames. A lot of guys left at that point. I kept watching. Floor after floor after floor. One floor under another after another and when it hit about the fifth floor, I figured it was a bomb, because it looked like a synchronized deliberate kind of thing. I was there in '93.

LIEUTENANT GEORGE J. DeSIMONE Interview Date: October 22, 2001

The next thing I know, we heard a little bit of a rumbling, and then white powder came from the first collapsed building. I thought it was an explosion initially.

After that, I still thought it was an explosion.

I don't think we understood the magnitude of what was going on. I was fearful that there were bombs in the building. That was my first thought, being the military kind of guy that I am.

FIREFIGHTER TIMOTHY JULIAN Interview Date: December 26, 2001

right when we got to the corner of Washington and Albany, that’s when I heard the building collapse. First I thought it was an explosion. I thought maybe there was a bomb on the plane, but delayed type of thing, you know, secondary device. I was convinced for a week it was secondary devices. … You know, and I just heard like an explosion and a then a cracking type of noise, and then it sounded like a freight train, rumbling and picking up speed, and I remember I looked up, and I saw it coming down…

LIEUTENANT ROBERT DORRITIE Interview Date: December 11, 2001

we were deciding which way to go into the south tower. That's when I looked up, and the tower started coming down, which at the time I said I thought it was a secondary device. I had warned the guys about secondary devices on the way down and to be careful of that.

FIRE MARSHAL JOHN COYLE Interview Date: December 28, 2001

The tower was -- it looked to me – I thought it was exploding, actually. That’s what I thought for hours afterwards, that it had exploded or the plane or there had been some device on the plane that had exploded, because the debris from the tower had shot out far over our heads. It was raining down.

While I was down at Battery Park, I finally got through on my phone to my father and said, “I’m alive. I just wanted to tell you, go to church, I’m alive. I just so narrowly escaped this thing.” He said, “where were you? You were there?” I said, “yeah, I was right there when it blew up.” He said, “you were there when the planes hit?” I said, “no, I was there when it exploded, the building exploded.” He said, “you mean, when it fell down?” I said, “no, when it exploded.” I still didn’t realized what had happened. I totally thought it had been blown up. That’s just the perspective of looking up at it, it seemed to have exploded out. But that I guess was the force of the upper stories collapsing down.

BATTALION CHIEF DOMINICK DeRUBBIO Interview Date: October 12, 2001

It was weird how it started to come down. It looked like it was a timed explosion, but I guess it was just the floors starting to pancake one on top of the other.

ASSISTANT COMMISSIONER JAMES DRURY Interview Date: October 16, 2001

We were in the process of getting some rigs moved when I turned, as I heard a tremendous roar, explosion, and saw that the first of the two towers was starting to come down.

That was the north tower now coming down. I should say that people in the street and myself included thought that the roar was so loud that the explosive - bombs were going off inside the building. Obviously we were later proved wrong.

As I said I thought the terrorists planted explosives somewhere in the building. That's how loud it was, crackling explosive, a wall.

LIEUTENANT GREGG HANSSON Interview Date: October 9, 2001

Then a large explosion took place. In my estimation that was the tower coming down, but at that time I did not know what that was. I thought some type of bomb had gone off.

FIREFIGHTER WILLIAM REYNOLDS Interview Date: December 11, 2001

After a while, and I don't know how long it was, I was distracted by a large explosion from the south tower and it seemed like fire was shooting out a couple of hundred feet in each direction, then all of a sudden the top of the tower started coming down in a pancake. …

Q. … where was the fire? Like up at the upper levels where it started collapsing?
A. It appeared somewhere below that. Maybe twenty floors below the impact area of the plane.

So we kind of just all were walking around dazed and I ran into a Battalion Chief. I don't know who he was. I said to him, I said, "Chief, they're evacuating the other building; right?" … Before the north tower fell. He said, "No." I said, "Why not? They blew up the other one." I thought they blew it up with a bomb. I said, "If they blew up the one, you know they're gonna blow up the other one." He said, "No, they're not." I said, "Well, you gotta tell them to evacuate it, because it's gonna fall down and you gotta get the guys out."

FIREFIGHTER THOMAS TURILLI Interview Date: January 17, 2002

sounded like bombs going off, like boom, boom, boom, like seven or eight, and then just a huge wind gust just came.

FIREFIGHTER KEITH MURPHY Interview Date: December 5, 2001

I had heard right before the lights went out, I had heard distant boom boom boom, sounded like three explosions. I don’t know what it was. At the time, I would have said they sounded like bombs, but it was boom boom boom and then the lights all go out.

EMT MICHAEL OBER Interview Date: October 16, 2001

Then we heard a rumble, some twisting metal, we looked up in the air, and to be totally honest, at first, I don’t know exactly…but it looked to me just like an explosion. It didn’t look like the building was coming down, it looked like just one floor had blown completely outside of it. I was sitting there looking at it. I just never thought they would ever come down, so I didn’t think they were coming down.

LIEUTENANT NEIL BROSNAN Interview Date: December 12, 2001

Actually the explosion came in through those doors and came up behind the way I had come in. And I realized that, that the explosion came from the way had just left.

They observed the explosion and the hallway disappeared. They thought the hallway blew up where I had come from.

FIREFIGHTER RICHARD BANACISKI Interview Date: December 6, 2001

We were there I don't know, maybe 10, 15 minutes and then I just remember there was just an explosion. It seemed like on television they blow up these buildings. It seemed like it was going all the way around like a belt, all these explosions.

CHIEF STEVE GRABHER Interview Date: December 6, 2001

Just as I go out of the building, one of my guys says hey Captain, the building is coming down. I looked over my shoulder and you could see the whole top of the south tower leaning towards us. It looked like it was coming over. You could see the windows pop out just like in the picture, looked like a movie. I saw one floor of windows pop out, like poof, poof. I saw one and a half floors pop out. It looked almost like an explosion. The whole top was teetering, and I really thought just the top of the building was falling off.

FIREFIGHTER CHRISTOPHER FENYO Interview Date: December 11, 2001

There was an explosion at the top of the Trade Center and a piece of Trade Center flew across the West Side Highway and hit the Financial Center.

About a couple minutes after George came back to me is when the south tower from our perspective exploded from about midway up the building.

At that point a debate began to rage because the perception was that the building looked like it had been taken out with charges. We had really no concept of the damage on the east side of 2 World Trade Center at that point, and at that point many people had felt that possibly explosives had taken out 2 World Trade…


All these people risked their lives that day, but when they tell us of their experiences why do so many still write them all off as being simply mistaken?

Former intelligence officer makes very interesting comments on 9/11...

“After spending the better part of the last five years treating these theories with utmost skepticism, I have devoted serious time to actually studying them in recent months, and have also carefully watched several videos that are available on the subject. I have come to believe that significant parts of the 9/11 theories are true, and that therefore significant parts of the ‘official story’ put out by the U.S. government and the 9/11 Commission are false.”
Bill Christison, former National Intelligence Officer and the Director of the CIA's Office of Regional and Political Analysis

Aerial view of the aftermath seen at the WTC...

http://www.flyboyed.com/groundzero.jpg

Do you really believe that two airliners managed to completely destroy those three huge steel-framed buildings, with each collapse taking a matter of seconds?

[whycantistayawayfromdogs]

i havnt looked into this in any depth at all, but one thing seems strange to me. Al Quaeda (sp?) have claimed responsibility for this on those al jazera (again sp?) video tapes. Now its fact that these terrorist groups exist and its also fact that they hate the west. Wouldnt he have gained more of a reaction from his own followers and more importantly american citizens, if he had aired suspicions of it being an inside job...He has more money than sense and has the feelers out in every terrorist organisation that could be capable of this, so he would know whether it was commited by one of these groups.

Now the obvious answer to this is that america and britain only get to see what the media want them to see however with the internet, if he had made a video like that it would have leaked out somewhere....

As i say im no expert but they are a major organisation whos main goal is to ruin the west, and more specifically the USA, this would have done the trick...???

[Sharpe1ne]

The Real Truth About 9/11
Kyle:	Eh-xcuse me, there's been a misunderstanding.
Donald Rumsfeld:	Come on in, Mr. President. [President Bush comes in through one of the side doors]
Kyle:	Uh, Mr. President, my name is-
Bush:	SSHHUUDDUUPP!! You think we don't know your name?! We know everything! We control everything! [walks to his desk] We've all worked very hard to keep our involvement in 9/11 a secret! But you just had to keep digging!
Kyle:	[quite surprised] Really?
911truth Man:	You won't get away with it! People know!
Bush:	People? You mean sheeple. We have the majority of them kept in blissful ignorance. Just one more... leak... [pulls out a pistol and his voice gets sinister] to fix... [the Secret Service agents take the 911truth man to the President]
911truth Man:	Wait. What are you doing?
Bush:	[leaves his desk and cocks the gun] You've been a thorn in our side for too long, I'm afraid.
911truth Man:	No! You can't do this! [Bush grabs him by the collar] Please! I'll stop. I'll take down the Web site. I'll sto- [the President sticks the gun into the man's mouth] Oh no! Oh no!
Bush:	Too late. [squeezes the trigger once and the bullet goes clear through the man's head. The 911truth man is dead]
Stan:	JESUS CHRIST!!
Rumsfeld:	[Condoleezza Rice stands to his left] Hahaha. He died like a pig.
Bush:	[wipes the blood off his clothes and skin] Some pigs never learn.
Kyle:	[in sheer disbelief, cocks his head right] No. Way.
Stan:	He was right. You DID cause 9/11.
Bush:	Yes. Quite simple to pull off, really. All I had to do was have explosives planted in the base of the towers. Then on 9/11 we pretended like four planes were being hijacked.when really we just rerouted them to Pennsylvania, then flew two military jets into the World Trade Center filled with more explosives, then shot down all the witnesses of Flight 93 with an F-15 after blowing up the Pentagon with a Cruise missile. It was only the world's most intricate and flawlessly-executed ever, ever.
Kyle:	[ever more incredulous, cocks his head left and lower] ...Really??
Stan:	Why?!
Bush:	[smiling, he begins to pace] Oldest reason in the world. Money. The towers fell and the American sheeple all waved their flags. [walks by Dick Cheney, who's got a crossbow and is dressed to hunt] Finally we could invade Iraq, [finishes off with sinister glee] and get the oil which made us all richer than before.
Rumsfeld:	[rubs his hands together greedily] Beauutiful money, hahahaha!
Kyle:	[cocks his head right and even lower. He's not buying it] ...Really??
Stan:	[off on a different page] Is the whole government in on this?
Bush:	We are all-knowing and all-powerful. Good-bye, boys. [steps aside as Dick Cheney takes aim at them. Cheney fires an arrow at them, but the arrow hits a marble vase on a table behind the boys. The arrow bounces off the vase and hits fire alarm, which sets off the sprinkler system. Everyone does his best not to get wet]
Cheney:	Dangit I missed again!
Bush:	For Christ's sake, Cheney! [Two aids open the doors to the Oval Office and enter]
Stan:	[seeing their chance] Kyle! Run! [the boys take off with the Secret Service in hot pursuit]
Bush:	KILL THEM!

Kyle:	Do you mind telling us what the hell is going on??
Stan:	Who are you?
Bearded Man:	[pours himself a drink] I'm a detective, and I'm afraid that you kids have been double-crossed.
Kyle:	You f-figured this thing all out?
Bearded Man:	Not me. My mystery-solving sons. Come on in, boys. [the Hardly Boys enter] My boys were researching who went number two in the urinal at your school when they discovered something odd, which gave them a clue.
Frank:	Gave us both a clue.
Mr. Hardly:	That clue led them to a 9/11 conspiracy group party, where they got a lot more clues.
Hardly Boy 2:	I was getting a clue like every two minutes.
Frank:	I got such a raging clue that I almost shot clue goo all over Joe.
Mr. Hardly:	Those clues pointed out that all the 9/11 conspiracy theories could be disproven scientifically. And that's when Frank got his biggest clue.
Frank:	It was huuuge.
Mr. Hardly:	That all the 9/11 conspiracy Web sites are run by the government. The 9/11 conspiracy... is a government conspiracy.
Stan:	Aw Jesus...
Kyle:	Why would the government want people to believe they caused 9/11?
Mr. Hardly:	For a government to have power, they must appear to have complete control. What better way to make people fear them than to convince them they are capable of the most elaborate plan on earth?
Bush:	[off-screen] That's quite enough, Hardly! [the camera shows him entering with his staff] Don't believe what he says, boys; we caused 9/11. [brings forth a manila folder] It's all right here in these secret documents, [hugs the folder tight] but you'll never get them. [turns around as he yawns, dropping the folder to the floor behind him. No one picks them up]
Kyle:	I knew it! You didn't plan 9/11 and you really didn't shoot that guy!
Bush:	Boys, you don't understand. People need to think we are all-powerful. That we control the world. If they know we weren't in charge of 9/11 then... we appear to control nothing.
Kyle:	Well why don't you just tell people the truth?!
Bush:	We do that too. And most people believe the truth. But one fourth of the population is retarded. If they wanna believe we control everything with intricate plans, why not let them?
Mr. Hardly:	Just one thing, Mr. President: How the devil did you know we were all here? [a close-up of Kyle. A gun appears next to his left temple. The camera moves clockwise as it refocuses on Stan, who's got the gun aimed at Kyle. Staan must have told the President]
Stan:	How come you couldn't just go home, dude? That's all we had to do!
Kyle:	Stan! What the ****?!
Stan:	It was all planned out!
Kyle:	You knew this whole time? Why?
Stan:	Because it was me. I'm the one who took a dump in the urinal.
Kyle:	[backs away a bit] What??
Stan:	The stalls were full and I didn't wanna miss recess! I didn't think it would turn into such a big deal!
Kyle:	So you blamed the government?!
Mr. Hardly:	And the government was more than willing to take the blame, so long as it made them look responsible for 9/11!
Stan:	[lowers his pistol] Oh man, now everyone's gonna know. Why did the stupid Hardly Boys have to be so good at solving mysteries?
Kyle:	So wait, wait: Stan took a dump in the urinal and he contacted the conspiracy Web site? But the conspiracy site was run by the government?
Stan:	Yuh.
Kyle:	So then, who was responsible for 9/11?
Stan:	Whattaya mean? A bunch of pissed-off Muslims.
Frank:	[giggles] Yeah. What are you, retarded? [The President and his staff laugh heartily]

From episode 1009 of South Park and the transcript of the episode from
The South Park Scriptorium

[misky]

This is what some structural engineers have to sat about the collapses

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4026073566596731782&hl=en

[misky]

Seems one american paper (never heard of it, probably very local) has actually got a pair of bollocks.

[misky]

Seems one american newspaper (never heard of it, probably very local) has actually got a spine.
http://www.dailytidings.com/2006/111..._editorial.php

[whycantistayawayfromdogs]

Originally Posted by misky

Seems one american newspaper (never heard of it, probably very local) has actually got a spine.
http://www.dailytidings.com/2006/111..._editorial.php

or just knows how to sell, now theres a new conspiracy for ya!

[misky]

At last. Found the forum below where it seems that some structural engineers are saying that the wtc centre collapses could have happened without demolition explosives...
http://www.indybay.org/newsitems/200...9/18141561.php

And this 9-11 debunk site which seems to try to answer some of the unanswered questions...
http://www.debunking911.com/

[misky]

Caught the end of JFK last night which reminded about this. Stirring summing up by that lawyer guy played by Harrison Ford.
It just got me thinking that nothing has really changed though.

As a matter of interest....
Does anyone here think that Lee Harvey Oswald asassinated JFK?

[bartonbank]

Originally Posted by misky

Caught the end of JFK last night which reminded about this. Stirring summing up by that lawyer guy played by Harrison Ford.
It just got me thinking that nothing has really changed though.

As a matter of interest....
Does anyone here think that Lee Harvey Oswald asassinated JFK?

Yep...saw a programme a couple of years ago involving people investigating it. The use of both physical models and computer models showed that the only place all the shots could have come from is where LHO was in the Book Depository building

[misky]

Originally Posted by bartonbank

The use of both physical models and computer models showed that the only place all the shots could have come from is where LHO was in the Book Depository building

I'd love to think you were joking but I'd guess that you are not.

Cheers for the reply though, no-one else wanna join in?


Just saw this advertised for BBC2 @ 9pm. Sunday 18th February.

9/11: The Conspiracy Files 9:00pm - 10:00pm BBC2

VIDEO Plus+: 5925 Subtitles, widescreen

An investigation of the growing number of conspiracy theories surrounding the 9/11 attacks. Some people believe that the American Government allowed or actively helped the attacks on the World Trade Centre and the Pentagon. And why was America so unprepared when terror attack warnings had been received? The Conspiracy Files travels across the United States to investigate and speak to eyewitnesses, and tries to separate fact from fiction.

[Carl]

I caught the back end of it misky when they were discussing the flight 93 crash.
Guess what film I had just finished watching?
Yep 'United 93'

Quite disturbing at the end truth be told seeing the cockpit struggle.

and then I switch over to see some young kid say the crash site was only a 40ft hole in the ground.
http://www.flight93crash.com/

[Osesame]

if you want to see all the theories and discussion on them

http://www.itszone.co.uk/zone0/viewf...a6e8d63acf6f3d

[Osesame]

other info can be found here

http://rense.com/Datapages/ess911.htm
http://erroneousbusczh.homestead.com/9-11Plot.html
http://rense.com/Datapages/popmechdat.htm
http://rense.com/Datapages/new911data.htm
http://www.thepriceofliberty.org/06/09/25/ward.htm

[Carl]

Just watching this:- http://believeyourowneyes.com/WTC7/one.shtml

[whycantistayawayfromdogs]

the way i see it (i dont really know anything about it). If there is such damning evidence, or proof, that 9/11 was done by the US government then why hasnt anyone actually been able to prove it? Its still a theory after over 5 years. Maybe its true, maybe its not, i dont think anyone will ever know and the amount of people who seem to dedicate their whole lives to trolling the internet, posting videos and links in every possible forum post is unreal.

my 2 cents

[cavelloman]

Originally Posted by misky

Caught the end of JFK last night which reminded about this. Stirring summing up by that lawyer guy played by Harrison Ford.
It just got me thinking that nothing has really changed though.

As a matter of interest....
Does anyone here think that Lee Harvey Oswald asassinated JFK?

Yes me.