The Great Conspiracy - The 9/11 news special you never saw

[accuman]

This is not some mad conspiracy theory here, he is just presenting facts, which make the official story look like a work of fiction.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...13972926262623

Can anybody tell me if any of the evidence he presents is wrong or lies?

Is there any evidence that Bin laden was even behind it?

[TheRat]

I posted up a similar vid not long ago called Loose Change.
The way I look at it is you can make anything look possible if you only look at it from one angle. these conspiracy videos still pick and chose the information they put in.
I feel Michael Moore also does this in his documentaries. There are loads of theories out there, but at the end of the day there can only be one real answer to what happened, and unfortunatly we may never know the truth

[Kotp]

I watched that Loose Change , was an interesting look on things from a different prospective, but would Bush and White house really stage something like that to get their hands on Oil in Iraq ?

Because thats basicly what the film is suggesting.

[Guy Fawkes]

I've watched quite a few of these conspiracy theories now.

Yes they do make you have a re-think and question a few things, but, theres no way i can accept that George Bush, nob that he is, would kill 1000's of his fellow americans. I just can't swallow that.

[accuman]

Originally Posted by TheRat

I posted up a similar vid not long ago called Loose Change.

That seems to be the most popular video out there, which is good in a way because it is effective in getting people to realise there are so many unanswered questions. However, the problems with the video are numerous, mainly all the pentagon and flight 93 info, which is basically wild speculation presented as fact. Here is a very good sceptics guide...

http://911research.wtc7.net/reviews/...nge/index.html

The way I look at it is you can make anything look possible if you only look at it from one angle. these conspiracy videos still pick and chose the information they put in.

You're right, as most of them do just that, but the US governments and mainstream media have been doing exactly that for the last 5 years. The difference is that they leave out incredibly damning evidence like building 7 coming down at free-fall speed, exactly like a controlled demolition...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPDNPJAr_Ao

There are loads of theories out there, but at the end of the day there can only be one real answer to what happened, and unfortunatly we may never know the truth

You're right again, as there are so many theories out there, many of which I believe have been spread by people who want to try to discredit all the real evidence. The trouble is that once people see these mad theories like holograms or pod on the planes, they immediately think this is madness.

Just as an example, loose change would have people believe that flight 93 landed and all the phone calls were fake, which implies that the victims families would be also involved in the conspiracy. The evidence for all this is non-existant, however there is plenty of evidence to suggest the plane was shot down. Here is a short video, called 'the mystery of united 93', which was made in Italy, but all the eyewitness accounts are in English.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=tg77n3ckH...h=italian%2011

[accuman]

Originally Posted by Kotp

I watched that Loose Change , was an interesting look on things from a different prospective, but would Bush and White house really stage something like that to get their hands on Oil in Iraq ?

Because thats basicly what the film is suggesting.

I believe the motives behind it all were alot more complicated and numerous that just oil. Here is a very good website, which goes into great detail...

http://www.oilempire.us

[accuman]

Originally Posted by Nehemiah

Yes they do make you have a re-think and question a few things, but, theres no way i can accept that George Bush, nob that he is, would kill 1000's of his fellow americans. I just can't swallow that.

The way I see it Bush had no choice but to go along with the plan. I know it must be hard for most people to even seriously consider the possibility than any of this is true, but there are sick people in this World. The official story just doesn't stand up to any real scrutiny, so no matter how many times they tell their story, it will never be true.

[GotaFancy?]

I watched the first 10 minutes of this and had to turn it off - sorry just came across as a load of carp with no evidence, just wild aimless accusations. The language and tone were deliberately emotive and provocative, very much in "tabloid" style - designed to whip the masses up into a frenzy - rather than offer anything new or any insight....

I don't know if it got any better or more convincing as it went on, but if it carried on in the same fashion, then it certainly wont get me wondering.....

[aliando]

cant help but feel they are the ying and yang of information - both parties (Bush and the people who really run america v. the conspiracists), as said above, present arguments from a one-dimensional perspective which leaves you with 2 likely untruths. Not useful.

[TheRat]

Originally Posted by aliando

cant help but feel they are the ying and yang of information - both parties (Bush and the people who really run america v. the conspiracists), as said above, present arguments from a one-dimensional perspective which leaves you with 2 likely untruths. Not useful.

Too true - I often have no opinion on matters as a result!!

[accuman]

Originally Posted by GotaFancy?

I watched the first 10 minutes of this and had to turn it off - sorry just came across as a load of carp with no evidence, just wild aimless accusations. The language and tone were deliberately emotive and provocative, very much in "tabloid" style - designed to whip the masses up into a frenzy - rather than offer anything new or any insight....

I don't know if it got any better or more convincing as it went on, but if it carried on in the same fashion, then it certainly wont get me wondering.....

You are entitled to your opinion, but I don't see how it can be valid if you didn't even watch the whole video.

Have you seen the footage of building 7 coming down?

Have you heard about the announcement Rumsfeld made on Spetember 10th 2001?

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/...in325985.shtml

"According to some estimates we cannot track $2.3 trillion in transactions," Rumsfeld admitted.

$2.3 trillion — that's $8,000 for every man, woman and child in America.

Incredible timing, as a day later it was completely forgotten about...

[accuman]

Originally Posted by aliando

cant help but feel they are the ying and yang of information - both parties (Bush and the people who really run america v. the conspiracists), as said above, present arguments from a one-dimensional perspective which leaves you with 2 likely untruths. Not useful.

You're right, as it's not easy to seperate truth from fiction, but the sites I linked to already actually expose many of the conspiracists, for spreading false information.

Too true - I often have no opinion on matters as a result!!

I thought gamblers, being naturally thirsty for information, would be better able to fit the pieces together than most. The information is there anyway, if you want to have a look at it.

[TheRat]

Originally Posted by accuman

I thought gamblers, being naturally thirsty for information, would be better able to fit the pieces together than most. The information is there anyway, if you want to have a look at it.

How do you sift through so much contraictory information though form different sources who hold varying opinions - it is impossible to know what is right and what is propaganda

[Paul Ross]

One thing stuck in my mind about this video......

Bush claims he saw the first plane hit the towers, but yet he couldn't have, because the school only had "normal tv channels" not the channels needed to see it.

The only way he could have seen it, is if they arranged to have it there for him to see.

Whilst there are a lot of conspiracy theories about lots of things, deep down I think we all know this kind of thing happens, it's been happening for centuries.

[aliando]

Originally Posted by Paul Ross

Whilst there are a lot of conspiracy theories about lots of things, deep down I think we all know this kind of thing happens, it's been happening for centuries.

and will continue to happen whilst people search for wealth and power

[accuman]

Originally Posted by Paul Ross

One thing stuck in my mind about this video......

Bush claims he saw the first plane hit the towers, but yet he couldn't have, because the school only had "normal tv channels" not the channels needed to see it.

The only way he could have seen it, is if they arranged to have it there for him to see.

Exactly.

Why did the secret service let Bush sit there in the classroom, if it really was a surprise attack?

They would have been putting him and all the children at risk, unless they knew he wasn't going to be a target.

How could they possibly know that?

Whilst there are a lot of conspiracy theories about lots of things, deep down I think we all know this kind of thing happens, it's been happening for centuries.

Quite right, yet people just don't want to think it's happening to them, and I think their pride gets in the way of admitting that they have been fooled.

[accuman]

Originally Posted by TheRat

How do you sift through so much contraictory information though form different sources who hold varying opinions - it is impossible to know what is right and what is propaganda

I know exactly what you mean but the truth is staring us all in the face.

What is unfolding today is, not a war on terrorism to defend freedom. It is a war on freedom that requires the defense of terrorism. It's purpose is to frighten us into abandoning our freedoms and traditions in exchange for protection from a hated and dangerous enemy.

The best thing you can ever do is to think like a detective and follow the motives, which means following the money. Because ultimately everyone who participates in public life believes in nothing but the public life they have come to represent, and that life is controlled by money.

[bartonbank]

So, because building 7 came down like a controlled explosion it means that it was fake? The only way that can be scientific fact is if there are experiments, with exact copies of the building and an exact copies of the plane hitting it in exactly the same way. If the buildings always come down in an uncontrolled way then it has been scientifically proved it was a controlled explosion. Until then it is conjecture coming from partial witnesses.

As far as the Bush comment about seeing the first plane is concerned...just as possible that it was a slip of the tongue and he meant the second plane. Let's face it he has a track history of verbal cock ups.

What is fact is that there have been a number of suicide bombers throughout the world. The hijackers of the planes were just another version of those.

[PAULM03]

To be honest I'm past caring what happened on 11/9. Whether it was planned by the US or not the fact is the event has been used and abused by a number of governments in an attempt to force people to hand over their rights.

[Paul Ross]

As far as the Bush comment about seeing the first plane is concerned...just as possible that it was a slip of the tongue and he meant the second plane.

Same scenario, he couldn't have seen the 2nd one because they didn't have the channels there.