Ladbrokes odds advice on bet placed today

[Karel]

I was looking at the winner of the Northern rail cup this morning for Celtic Crusaders to win and found that Ladbrokes were stand out at 11/4. So as I was going into town, popped into the bank for some cash and placed a decent sized wager in their shop. They guy behind the counter did not check the odds on his screen and put it through the machine. Bet placed.

I then get home and they have lengthened the odds of their rivals (Salford) but now have no odds at all for Celtic Crusaders, but the other 3 teams are all priced up.

Firstly why is there suddenly no price at all? Secondly as it is a decent wager I feel I may get the 'Those odds were wrong when you placed your bet scenario' Even though they were on their site at the time.

Have I any protection on the price I took? I know by looking by them lengthening other teams they are going to cut their odds and I am concerned they will come out with a awful revised price and make me have that.

Here is a link to oddschecker for the game and as you will see they are not pricing them up at all..... http://www.oddschecker.com/rugby-lea...cup/win-market

Thanks for any advice

[Cassius Marcellus]

Thanks for any advice

1. If you want a price, ask for it.

2. If you don't see it on the slip after you've been served, you haven't got it.

3. They can't revise a price that you haven't got.

4. Phone 0800 731 4171

5. Give them the slip number, and branch address if they ask for it, then explain what you did wrong.

6. Don't do it again.

[Karel]

Cassius thank you for your teacher/pupil reply ( I mean that so no need for a arrogant reply), but I am not some wet behind the ears gambler who does not know how to place a bet. But I may not have made it clear, in fact reading back I did not and that is where there is confusion, I hold my hands up, my fault. I wrote the price 11/4 on the slip but he did not check the price, I nearly asked him to check it but thought I have nothing to lose by just letting him put it through. My point is that I beleive now that they MAY say that the price I wrote on was not the price at the time. From going to town and putting the bet on to coming home the price had gone (In fact I have just checked and they have now gone 2/1). The question is once I have put 11/4 on the slip and he has took it, is that binding?

Why am I bothered? Because I got ripped off by ladbrokes before on something similar and I don't trust them. I had to use them as they were the best price.

[Norfolk Enchance]

I know what you mean, karel, and I've had a similar experience at both ladbrokes and hills - I've written the price on the slip and when collecting been paid out at a shorter price.

I hate dealing with these shops and avoid them as much as possible. When I do use a shop, I now write the price on the slip and ask them to check it when I hand it over. Usually they initial it after checking, if they don't, I ask them to. At least that gives some protection if they try to pay out a shorter price when you go to collect.

[Cassius Marcellus]

If you put your own price on your slip, you have no right to the price at all UNLESS the cashier has signed it.

Every punter sees it as a scam if it goes against them, but a cashier in a busy shop can take 1,500 bets a day.

Do you do really expect them to read every one, when you have half a shop of punters, who won't bet until the hare runs or the stalls open?

It's his/her job to mark the slip, not yours. If you ask for a price, then they MUST read the slip. If they then give you the wrong price, in your favour, you still won't get paid, especially if you punt large amounts, because it will be checked before payout.

If it's wrong in their favour, it's your fault for not spotting it when you paid. They will correct it to what it should have been.

There are thousands of 'not up to the task' cashiers out there, which is not surprising given their hours and pay. However in a relatively quiet shop a good cashier reads every bet they take, and errors should be rare.

Ladbrokes prices are the same in any shop, unless you bet on Premiership Football

Go to a quiet shop and get all the attention your wager requires.

[Karel]

I know what you mean, karel, and I've had a similar experience at both ladbrokes and hills - I've written the price on the slip and when collecting been paid out at a shorter price.

I hate dealing with these shops and avoid them as much as possible. When I do use a shop, I now write the price on the slip and ask them to check it when I hand it over. Usually they initial it after checking, if they don't, I ask them to. At least that gives some protection if they try to pay out a shorter price when you go to collect.

Yes the big three I avoid like the plauge, because they are a law unto themselves and as they have made it feel they can pull stunts like this. I know they were 11/4 when the bet was placed, but half an hour later it had gone and something very similar happened before and as it is a decent wager I don't want to be arguing the toss if it comes off.

Casius thanks for the reply. I take it on board and will just see what happens if the bet comes up. I am still not sure though if they have anything in place that tells them EXACTLY when the price changed and will just say what they feel will save them money and I cannot prove otherwise.

[ordinarysunday]

Originally Posted by Cassius Marcellus

Thanks for any advice

1. If you want a price, ask for it.

2. If you don't see it on the slip after you've been served, you haven't got it.

3. They can't revise a price that you haven't got.

4. Phone 0800 731 4171

5. Give them the slip number, and branch address if they ask for it, then explain what you did wrong.

6. Don't do it again.

As far as I am aware Karel, Cassius is always just straight down the line with his replies, he has given you better advice in that one post than ten other posters (like myself) could do - you asked for advice he gave it.

I understand it would be a bit annoying, I would be annoyed if I was in your shoes, but we can spend our live's being annoyed and bitter at certain situations, or we can learn from it and do our best to avoid the situation repeating itself.

I can assure you a high percentage of betting shop cashiers are for want of a better word ''toilet'', so do all you can do yourself to avoid being the victim of other's incompetence - or else you will have a bitter book to write and read at some point.

[Remmer7]

I work part time for Ladbrokes and this is what is key...

Originally Posted by Norfolk Enchance

Usually they initial it after checking

if the cashier has initialed the price this is to say they checked it and it is correct, therefore making themselves responsible in the case of it being incorrect. If you really want to make sure u get the price then either ask for the price when handing over the bet, or feel free to write the price on the bet but make sure u say something like 'can i take that price please?'.

In your case then good cashiers should use some common sense. If someone writes a price on the bet and it is not checked u will get this price if it is correct at the time of placing the bet. In the scenario that it has changed then it depends on some mitigating circumstances, if the price has changed a couple of minutes before the bet was placed in a busy shop then you should be given the benefit of the doubt (if this happens constantly then obviously u will not). We do have the facility to check the exact times prices were changed. If the price has gone from 11/4 to 2/1 it is a fair alteration and I assume there was a fair time between u writing the price on and actually placing the bet. If so u will get the price that was correct at the time u placed the bet as u have given forward the intention of taking the price.

Let me know what happens

[Cassius Marcellus]

Originally Posted by Remmer7

I work part time for Ladbrokes and this is what is key...

if the cashier has initialed the price this is to say they checked it and it is correct, therefore making themselves responsible in the case of it being incorrect. If you really want to make sure u get the price then either ask for the price when handing over the bet, or feel free to write the price on the bet but make sure u say something like 'can i take that price please?'.

In your case then good cashiers should use some common sense. If someone writes a price on the bet and it is not checked u will get this price if it is correct at the time of placing the bet. In the scenario that it has changed then it depends on some mitigating circumstances, if the price has changed a couple of minutes before the bet was placed in a busy shop then you should be given the benefit of the doubt (if this happens constantly then obviously u will not). We do have the facility to check the exact times prices were changed. If the price has gone from 11/4 to 2/1 it is a fair alteration and I assume there was a fair time between u writing the price on and actually placing the bet. If so u will get the price that was correct at the time u placed the bet as u have given forward the intention of taking the price.

Let me know what happens

In the original post, it states that the bet was a 'decent size'.

Obviously this amount will differ from punter to punter. I'm pretty sure that any big 3 shop (and it was the same when they were the big 5) have a limit on the size of a single bet. It has to be cleared before acceptance. It used to be if the total payout was over £1,000, but I haven't worked in a big 5 shop for over 35 years.

If the price was 11/4, under the old rules the maximum stake, before asking the manager, would have been just over £265.

If a cashier took the bet without asking the manager and ' assumed responsibility' they would probably find themselves down the Jobcentre after the second offence.

Older cashiers will remember the sticker on their tills as far back as the mid 1970s. It read 'If a customer asked for a pound from the till you would rightly tell him 'No' If he asked for 3/1 for a 5/2 chance, it's the same thing. Don't do it.'

There are more bad cashiers than good cashiers (don't get me started...) that's a sad fact of betting shops these days. But ultimately, the responsiblilty rests with the manager.

[Karel]

As far as I am aware Karel, Cassius is always just straight down the line with his replies, he has given you better advice in that one post than ten other posters (like myself) could do - you asked for advice he gave it.

I know he is straight down the line, I have seen many of his posts, he is like marmite 'You either love him or you hate him' . Does not bother me at all, I go on many forums. You get the odd arrogant tool, who because they have loads of posts they treat a lot of people as beneath them. I actually find him amusing and he has answered my questions fine. So I don't really get your point and I certainly wont be writing a book on being bitter, was just a question on what may happen. Thanks anyway.

In your case then good cashiers should use some common sense. If someone writes a price on the bet and it is not checked u will get this price if it is correct at the time of placing the bet. In the scenario that it has changed then it depends on some mitigating circumstances, if the price has changed a couple of minutes before the bet was placed in a busy shop then you should be given the benefit of the doubt (if this happens constantly then obviously u will not). We do have the facility to check the exact times prices were changed. If the price has gone from 11/4 to 2/1 it is a fair alteration and I assume there was a fair time between u writing the price on and actually placing the bet. If so u will get the price that was correct at the time u placed the bet as u have given forward the intention of taking the price.

Let me know what happens

Hi, Glad to see it from a bookies point of view. Let me explain what the bet was and exactly what happened. Everytime I ring up any of the big 3 or go into their shop, they NEVER ever give the price in the paper or on oddschecker. That's up to them of course, it just seems we are best price, people will ring us and just give them a revised price, they will take it. What happened once was I went into Ladbrokes and placed a rugby bet, it won and paid out £600. When I went to the shop they said 'We cannot pay you that price as we had a load of money and it changed' I said it had not when I placed the bet, it was marked up on your board' Anyway after arguing they would not pay me the full amount.

This time I checked on their own website and it was there at 11/4, so I jumped in my car and placed the bet within 15 minutes. It was £200 at 11/4, which is a decent wager for me. When I got home after about an hour I checked and saw they had took the price down, no price was available at all, until the day after when it went to 2/1. So obviously I thought, this could happen again here. I just wanted to know what the procedure was, did my price need to me initiled, would they argue that he had not done this etc...Anyway the bet went down so it does not matter now, but thanks for the info, I will ask next time for a direct price. I sort of knew to do this, but thought he may offer a lower price and I had nothing to lose by not saying anything to him.

There are more bad cashiers than good cashiers (don't get me started...) that's a sad fact of betting shops these days. But ultimately, the responsiblilty rests with the manager.

Yep I understand that some are better than others, I really try and stay away from betting shops now and do it over the phone. Staff seem to be under motivated and don't even look at the bets. And don't start me on the characters the new craze of roulette machines attract.

[Cassius Marcellus]

Karel, when you get half an hour to spare, have a look at this


Betting Shop Characters

[Karel]

Karel, when you get half an hour to spare, have a look at this


Betting Shop Characters

That was freaking hilarirous and sums up a lot of why I don't go in anymore.

Class post

Last week two doleights were on the roulette machine and playing about £2 a spin and everytime the wheel went round they rushed outside, too scared to look, ran back in and either swore at the machine for daring to take their money or celebrated with a high 5, arguing who had actually placed the 25p on number 14, it was class to watch. Eventually they lost their dole money and slunk off into the night no doubt thinking of illegal ways to get some more cash to run in and out of the door the day after.

The same day a guy with the most matted hair I have ever seen came over and asked me for a cig, in fact asked me to lend him one, dunno when I was suppose to come back for it. I said I don't smoke, so he walked off, only for some guy to approach him and ask him where is £5 that he lent him the week before was, they were cursing each other until threats were made and they walked out of the shop, no doubt to swing drunken punches at each other.

Well I suppose you don't get that betting over the phone.

[Cassius Marcellus]

I have to say that I don't condone credit card betting. It's all too easy to get into serious trouble. At least when I was in the shop, cash was cash, and when punters had done their money, that was it for the week. When you get a ponce, like the one in the story above, the owner/manager should bar him/her. They can cause customers to stay away rather then be pestered by them, or they eventually cause trouble by not paying debts.

[Karel]

A sad state of affairs, but true is that you can gamble 24 hours a day now. Be it backing on some far away sport at 3:30 in the morning or on-line poker, casions. I used to have a bad problem a few years back and never had any money, but as you say my pain was over once the bookies shut. I am not saying I don't have silly bets now, because I do from time to time, be it beer, a bad day, boredom, it happens. But on the whole I am pretty selective and only really bet on Rugby League. I have the odd other bet if I feel there is an angle, but have very few bets for the sake of it and never go into money I can't afford to bet with. So betting over the phone suits me, its easier and less hassle than traveling to my local bookmakers and then not having to trail back if it wins.

I still though am yet to have a bet on betfair, although I have an account, as it may tempt me at the wrong times and although I am so much better than I used to be, I don't want too much temptation as in anyone that has been there and bought the t-shirt, the gambler always lurks somewhere in there.