Bookies - refusing to settle bets on the Bury game

[MATT102]

Hi all,

I placed a small stakes double with Paddy Power last week on Fulham and Bury to both win their respective games on Saturday. With both results coming in, I checked my account and it shows the Bury result as 'pending'.

I have since contacted the customer services desk several times wondering when they will honour this bet and they state that an investigation is on-going into the game and no bets will be settled until this is complete. Bit annoyed really as they happily took my stake but are now dragging their feet when it comes to handing over my winnings. Just wondering wheteher any of you guys have had a similiar experience?

[friskyfitz]

Originally Posted by MATT102

Hi all,

I placed a small stakes double with Paddy Power last week on Fulham and Bury to both win their respective games on Saturday. With both results coming in, I checked my account and it shows the Bury result as 'pending'.

I have since contacted the customer services desk several times wondering when they will honour this bet and they state that an investigation is on-going into the game and no bets will be settled until this is complete. Bit annoyed really as they happily took my stake but are now dragging their feet when it comes to handing over my winnings. Just wondering wheteher any of you guys have had a similiar experience?

Firstly - They are not REFUSING to pay you.

Secondly - They are NOT dragging their feet, they are investigating a result which was DODGY. Betting on this game stopped on friday in some places and betfair have reported it too. You may have been unlucky but Paddy Power and other bookies involved are right to do this under the circumstance.

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[ordinarysunday]

Well said Fitz, it would appear that Matt you are a victim of your wallet clouding your opinion in this case.

Major bookmakers do not just hold back on paying out because they feel like it, they are duty bound to do what they are doing.

You will get paid out, these things can never be proven beyond doubt for betting purposes anyway.

They ''took your money happily'' because they were not aware at that time of any forseeable problems, if they didn't take your bet then I'm quite sure that you would have been moaning that they wouldn't ''happily take your money'' at the time, or afterwards.

You will find that you will have a much more enjoyable time betting if you stop being so negative about bookmakers, or their integrity, you will always be safe in that area if you stick with the well known bookies.

Believe it or not, when something is fixed or is bent, the people who are the biggest victims are the poor old bookmakers, or those of course who play the exchanges. The bookmakers have to take it on the chin, and of course can afford for these things to happen to them (most can anyway). You very very rarely (if ever) see the bookmakers refuse to pay out even when the whole world knows that something was bent, so I think it is slightly unfair to question a major bookie like Paddy's for making you wait for a day or so. It's worth pointing out that they can't just pay out on all the small bets, or the Joe punter who punts every day bet, because nowadays these things will be pasted all over forums etc - they can't pay one but not another, it would cause carnage.

My guess is you will be paid your winnings within the next 48 hours - at the latest.

Enjoy your winnings

[AK1979]

There was an article in yesterdays news of the world showing how much was staked on each of the 3rd division games. Most of them had about £5,000 - £10,000 staked on them. Accrington v Bury had £280,000

Bearing in mind this was a meaningless end of season game, it looks like something untoward has gone on.

[Football-Tipper]

And also someone who was related to a Stanley player was told to bet on Bury, The ref and linesman were changed Friday night by the football league..And betting was suspended by most bookies friday/saturday...

Will be interested to see what happens with this one.....

I would also like them to look at our results lol 7 on the bounce we've lost and no win since Wembley

[MATT102]

I accept your views guys. Did anyone else bet on this game and, if so, have they been paid yet?

[ordinarysunday]

There are hundreds of cases every year that in reality are 100% bent as a ten bob bit.

Just to name a couple that most people will remember that very publicly happened recently.

There was a darts match involving Gary Anderson when even my Mum managed to get her fiver on at 4/6, after reading the match was ''going to be fixed'' in whatever journal she reads, I think it may actually have been in ''Woman's Weekly'' that week - no being honest I think it was in The Sun - pre match - the bookies still paid out of course.

Going back a few years ago too there was the infamous case when the spread firms got stung by the ''time of the first throw in'' in the West Ham game against Man Utd(i think). The ball got kicked so far out of the ground that the police are still looking for it now - they confirmed that it was not one of the 800 balls that the ball boys had lined up all around the pitch to ensure the throw in could be taken unhindered.

These are facts, not conspiracy theories, ok maybe I have stretched the truth in my descriptions, but I'm sure you get the general idea.

You been paid yet?

[friskyfitz]

Id say you'll find that most avoided it because it WAS a meaningless end of season match with neither having anything to play for.....

[friskyfitz]

Who can forget Denmark v Sweden

Post match comment!!

Italy will virtually ensure its passage through to the quarter-finals with a win in its final game of the opening round. The only way they would be eliminated would be if Scandinavian neighbours Sweden and Denmark battled to a 2-2 draw.

Pre-match comment

Italy struggled but eventually dispatched Bulgaria 2-1 thanks to an Antonio Cassano goal deep into injury time, but was knocked out when Mattias Jonson "conveniently" netted in the 89th minute to allow Sweden to tie Denmark 2-2

About 4 different papers had tipped the 2-2 result

[ordinarysunday]

you think bets will be void fitz?

[friskyfitz]

Nah - I reckon they will EVENTUALLY be let stand.

However, it may take time.

Hard to say but I think they will honour them this time. Looking at betfair, it seems that the market was settled for whatever was there. Cant say 100% for sure though

[GotaFancy?]

ANother thread on this here - Accrington defeat under scrutiny

[ordinarysunday]

Ah, sound mate, I respect your opinion so I had kind of switched into that ''pub bet mode'' when I am sure I am right, and want to put money down to verify my confidence in my own opinion or judgement.

Truth is this theory has lost me hundreds of pounds over the years, but I never regret one pence of it, I just can't be arsed having a fundamental difference of opinion with someone and then arguing about it, I just have never seen the point. If you are that confident of your opinion, then why argue is always my opinion, just put the money down and be done with it.

So I was hoping we could have a bet to back up our opinions,but you have spoiled the fun now that we both agree.

But I would still like to verify how confident I am that the bets on this match will still be paid out. I know it's not a lot, but it's the thought that counts, it's not the winning it's the taking part.

So if I am wrong here, and the bets on the Bury game are not paid out, I will arrange with Paul that I donate £20 to the ''first round fund'' of the next time there is any kind of punters lounge meeting.

Hope you have been paid out now Matt!!

[MATT102]

Not paid out as yet.

[friskyfitz]

I dont expect this to be settled in the next few days so Id let it lie till Thursday/Friday.

Mainly, due to the bank holiday. Security divisions will most likely not be working so therefore, the internal review of betting patterns will really only start taking swing on Tuesday morning. I dont expect to hear a result till Thursday at the earliest

[mh_]

How about bets on the other side ? Settled minutes after the game finish as usual ?

Also, what decision apart from the ruling of the Football League can be a valid ground to void a bet ?

But really nothing that cannot be expected from a British book, while the "shady" asians settled this one without an eyeblink.

[slapdash]

Originally Posted by mh_

How about bets on the other side ? Settled minutes after the game finish as usual ?

I'd guess they've left all bets on the match unsettled.

But what's the difference, anyway? If you settle the bets on the "losing" side
immediately then you keep your customers' money until it's decided whether
bets on the match are void. If you don't settle the bets immediately, then ...
you keep your customers' money until it's decided whether bets on the match
are void.

[mh_]

But what's the difference, anyway?

Right, from the bookie's side - no difference at all.

[slapdash]

Originally Posted by mh_

Right, from the bookie's side - no difference at all.

And from the punter's side?

[mh_]

From the punter's side - you lose both ways while someone else has your money to play with at their will, even if it's for a few days/weeks.

I won't elaborate any further into what should seem pretty obvious.

What I see is some are so acquianted with the receiver's end of tough love, they can't really tell anymore where the wrong is.