Beware - Bookie BLACKLIST Thread!

[Paul Ross]

Here we will list bookies that have tried to tell PL members that their account has either been closed and funds confiscated, or something similar.

We will also update the cases to say if they have been settled.

BetandWin Case 1 - Click here.

Same old story, someone wins big and they don't like it. Stalled on paying out a customer for 4 weeks. Ignored emails constantly. They say payment is on the way, then 2 weeks later, no payment received. They answer an email saying "Oh, we don't have all your ID." Then why did you say payment is on the way?

PL has to step in and make them pay up, but why does it have to get that stage.

They did pay up 3 days after PL got involved - 7/10/06.


BetandWin Case 2 - Click here.

While coming up with a few excuses here and there, it was basically another case of Bwin trying to defraud a punter of their money. Seemingly Bwin dept to dept communication skills are non existent as they sent PL an email saying it will be credited back to the players account, yet emailed the person in question saying it would not.

A final warning by email and they paid up on 14/12/06.

These are not isolated cases, see here

[Paul Ross]

10Bet seem to be the latest bookie to think they can fcuk about with PL members, but they got that wrong, because now they're going to get serious heat.

The member involved is none other than Rafalek, our polish non league expert. Granted he hasn't posted for a while, but I feel it is only right PL helps him.

The following is translated from Polish to English, thanks to Marek.

I believe this to be completely true and despite emailing everyone at 10Bet, including Shalom McKenzie, the CEO, I have had no response whatsoever.

What happens now?

We show them the power of PL and demand Rafalek gets his money back.

Here is the translated document.

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I have got a huge problem with 10bet boookmaker
www.10bet.com
It’s very serious case. A a lot of funds disappeared from my account.




On 28 October there were many strange transactions on my 10bet account.
I have placed 38 combo bets on English FATtrophy matches on 9/10/2007
10Bet waited until 28/10/2007 and settled this wagers after very long 19 days delay. It was my selections:

http://img217.imageshack.us/my.php?image=10bet2dy8.png

I have used 38 different combo bets to put my wagers. Two of my bets have been settled as a cancelled bets but in my opinion this bets should be settled as a won bets :



Soccer English FA Trophy 09/10/2007 Croydon Athletic vs Maldon Town - Full Game O/U Over 2.0 1.877 Canceled

Soccer English FA Trophy 09/10/2007 Tooting Mitcham United vs Chipstead - Full Game O/U Over 2.0 1.877 Canceled

Results:
Croydon Athletic vs Maldon Town 2:4 FT
Tooting Mitcham United vs Chipstead 1:2 FT


This two matches have been rearranged to 16/10/2007 due to bad weather but 10Bet waited until 28/10/2007 with decision about my combo-wagers. If They try to settle all of my bets between 9/10 and 16/10/2007 everything should be OK….
Because of why reason 10bet waited for a long time ???? I.don’t know…


The same day (28/10/2007) which 10bet settled my wagers someone placed 3 livebets using my account. All lost ..

http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/673/10bil7.jpg


In my opinion somebody from 10bet workers team have put this wagers from
my account.. Yes I know It's the serious accusation but I have checked
this three livebetting wagers and all of them have been placed on total
number of goals describe as "under" 1 minute after one of the team
scored a goal. So all of the wagers have been settled
as a lost bets.













Ok., here we are the details

(Uk times of this transactions):

(14:52) first livebetting wager

6292205 Soccer -- LIVE BETTING -- 28/10/2007 02:52 Bolton (EngPre) vs Aston Villa (EngPre) - Live Betting O/U Under 750.00 € 2.31 1.5 1 : 1 Lost
6292209 Soccer -- LIVE BETTING -- 28/10/2007 02:52 Bolton (EngPre) vs Aston Villa (EngPre) - Live Betting O/U Under 750.00 € 2.31 2 1 : 1 Draw

UK Time 14.52
stake 1500 EUR

Result
Bolton 1-1 Aston Villa
Anelka 22 - Moore 57

The match started at 13.30
Moore scored for Aston Villa on 57 minute around 14.51
Someone of 10bet workers placed this bet at 14.52 instant after Aston Villa scored


(15.19-15.34)
10bet settled 38 of my combo bets which have been placed on 9/10/2007 after 19 days delay. In my opinion two of matches in my combo-bets should be calculated as a won bets.....

Soccer English FA Trophy 09/10/2007 Croydon Athletic vs Maldon Town - Full Game O/U Over 2.0 1.877 Canceled

Soccer English FA Trophy 09/10/2007 Tooting Mitcham United vs Chipstead - Full Game O/U Over 2.0 1.877 Canceled

but 10bet settled this wagers as a cancelled bets

(15.43) second livebetting wager

6292799 Soccer -- LIVE BETTING -- 28/10/2007 03:43 Lazio (Ita1) vs Udinese (Ita1) - Live Betting O/U Under 2000.00 € 2.16 0.5 0 : 1 Lost

UK Time 15.43
stake 2000 EUR

Result
Lazio [0 - 1] Udinese
78' G. Asamoah

The match started at 14.00
Asamoah scored for Udinese on 78 minute around 15.42
Someone of 10bet workers placed this bet at 15.43 instant after Udinese scored


(17:56) third livebetting wager

6294302 Soccer -- LIVE BETTING -- 28/10/2007 05:56 Real Madrid (Spa1) vs Dep La Coruna (Spa1) - Live Betting O/U Under 1333.40 € 1.221 3.5 3 : 1 Lost

UK Time 17.56
stake 1333.40 EUR

Result
Real Madrid [3 - 1] Deportivo La Coruna
1' [0 - 1] F.T. Xisco
7' [1 - 1] R.v. Nistelrooy (pen.)
78' [2 - 1] Raul
89' [3 - 1] Robinho

The match started at 16.00
Robinho scored for Real Madrid on 89 minute around 17.55
Someone of 10bet workers placed this bet at 17.56 instant after Real Madrid scored


I have never placed a livebetting wagers on livebetting console for high stakes (1300, 1500 2000 EUR) in my account history.....
I have got a low-limit account......


I haven’t logged in to my account between 14.52 and 17.56 on Sunday 28 October 2007. In my opinion It was an independent login made by someone of 10bet workers.

Time of this 3 livebetting wagers is link up with paid my winnings on combo bets by 10bet after 19 days delay.

It isn't possible to place a livebet on "under" instant after one of the team scored.
It’s only possible If someone have access to bookmakers’s livebetting software.
In this situation someone placed three livebets in a row on high stakes using low-limits account .

10bet stolen me 4083 EUR on livebetting and something about 2k EUR on combo bets (I haven’t calculated because estimate 38 combo bets manually is very extended).So the total amount I have lost fluctuate about 6k EUR….


Best Regards
xxxxxxx
My username in 10bet : xxxxxxx

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Welcome to the blacklist 10bet, get this guy his money back or I will get other sites involved in your disgraceful behaviour.