Return to Oz and the Michael Wray Experiment.

[merlin]

..... Hi Grex, good to see you pop in for a chat.The systems you mention are not that confusing really, it's just different punters interpretations of trying to glean something out of Michael's user friendly sheets.You know yourself as an ex participant of such systems, that there is always something to be monitored and examined as part of an ongoing process, and I am always open to those who bring a constructive view to the thread, be it by way of comment or system, and great to see each and every avenue explored.Good luck with your endeavours also.

[Grex]

As always, Merlin, thanks for your courteous reply. Good luck with all the MW systems .... and thanks for the good wishes for my Paul Ross-based "endeavours".

[merlin]

...... no problem Grex, always a pleasure to hear from you, keep those winners ticking over!

[merlin]

....... results of the 3-0 system so far this weekend:-

Reading (h) WON 4-0
Leeds U (h) WON 1-0
Scunthorpe U (h) WON 2-0
Shrewsbury T (h) WON 2-0
Stevenage B (h) DRAW 3-3

So 4 correct from 5 with one to come.Here's hoping for a full house!

[Fast Eddie]

Ok folks, Salisbury v Mansfield shot down in the "Low Goals Under 2.5" system (2-3 scoreline!), todays selection Cambridge v Grays Under 2.5 goals. Price - 2.1 Stan James.

[clarky101]

+2's
Oxford @ 1.82

Norms
Brighton @ 3.2 96 minute equaliser

tables later...

[merlin]

..... so it was not to be, Stevenage Borough could only draw against York City to deprive us of a full house.If I could have taken 4 out of 5 correct at the start, I would have been more than content.So have to be happy with this. Latest position is now:-

Total Staked		80.00		Avg Stake
Total Returned		107.98		10.00
Yield		1.350	34.97%
Winners		6
Losers		2
Strike Rate		75.00%
Current Bank		127.98
Profit / Loss		27.98

No selections for Tuesday night's matches under the 3-0 system.
Back mid week for next Saturday's selections.

[lorenzo.]

Originally Posted by lorenzo.

Some picks for 'lay 3 goal loser' system.

Bet nr 10:
LAY Yeovil against Scunthorpe @ 6,2 to win 10 (Scunthorpe won 2-0)

Bet nr 11:
LAY Swensea against Reading @ 5,3 to win 10 (Reading won 4-0)

Bet nr 12:
LAY Mgladbach against Hamburger @ 9,4 to win 10 (Hamburg won 1-0)

Bet nr 13:
LAY Hoffenheim against Werder @ 8,2 to win 10 (Werder won 5-4)

Bet nr 14:
LAY Gjion against Villarreal @ 6,6 to win 10 (Villarreal won 1-0)

It's all good

Starting bank: 200€

Total bets: 14
Winning bets: 14
Losing bets: 0
Strike rate: 100%

Current bank: 347,25€
Profit/Loss: +147,25€

[Fast Eddie]

Merlin, I've got Colchester Leicester as 0-3 on my MW sheetsfor Tuesday 30th Sept, check it out.

[Fast Eddie]

Also, an interesting observation, I've just entered up the weekends premiership scores and the Arsenal game came up as a 3-0 against Hull because of the earlier results (I guess the Blackburn away win at Newcastle added to the Arsenal's strength rating cos Arsenal had beaten Blackburn well the a couple of weeks before). So a spot of luck avoiding that one Merlin, plus in a real life situation it seems pretty impractical to expect someone to be sitting around all day as the results come in entering them up in the sheets to catch every possible tiny fluctuation in predictions on a few late games. Plus I've noticed that as more games a played single results have less effect on the predictions as the form builds up, if you get my meaning. And of course I've just realised that it's irrelevant anyway cos the PL have only played 5 games before then (6 now).

[merlin]

..... some interesting observations there Ed, and some with a valid point. You are absolutely right about when and where results are entered that effect the 3-0 situation, and punters cannot sit tight all day long to record results as they come in, so as to be able to ensure correct results are caught there and then. Iv'e been doing it this way for three seasons gone and the fourth one starting so I can see no merit in changing things around now.I guess there is always going to be discrepancies one way or another, so I will soldier along as always in the groove I am forging now.As regards the Leicester City match I have this one down to be played on Wednesday 1st October, and yes it is a 3-0 selection as below:-

Leicester C (a) 2.40

Onwards and upwards.

[Grex]

Well done, Merlin, with the weekend selections..... and good luck with the Leicester prediction.

By the way, most web-sites (including the infallible BBC ) are showing the Leicester match for 19.45 on Tuesday 30 September.

[clarky101]

Tables are not good reading so far

+2's

Total Staked		20.00		Ave Stake
Total Returned		18.08		10.00
Yield		0.904	-9.63%
Winners		1
Losers		1
Strike Rate		50%
Current Bank		98.08
Profit / Loss		-1.93		BANK

And the NORMS

Total Staked		30.00		Ave Stake
Total Returned		0.00		10.00
Yield		0.000	-100.00%
Winners		0
Losers		3
Strike Rate		0%
Current Bank		70.00
Profit / Loss		-30.00		BANK

Hopefully things will get better

[merlin]

..... good results Lorenzo, but aren't they just the reverse of the 3-0 system selections?

[lorenzo.]

Originally Posted by merlin

..... good results Lorenzo, but aren't they just the reverse of the 3-0 system selections?

Well, yes. I mean, if MW sheets show at least 3-0 win then I will lay the loser.

[Fast Eddie]

Originally Posted by merlin

..... some interesting observations there Ed, and some with a valid point. You are absolutely right about when and where results are entered that effect the 3-0 situation, and punters cannot sit tight all day long to record results as they come in, so as to be able to ensure correct results are caught there and then. Iv'e been doing it this way for three seasons gone and the fourth one starting so I can see no merit in changing things around now.I guess there is always going to be discrepancies one way or another, so I will soldier along as always in the groove I am forging now.As regards the Leicester City match I have this one down to be played on Wednesday 1st October, and yes it is a 3-0 selection as below:-

Leicester C (a) 2.40

Onwards and upwards.

Quite right Merlin, you've done great work over the last few seasons and any discrepencies (which I think are few and far between, especially as the season progresses) are ironed out in the long run anyway. The theoretical ideal of for example entering the 3pm game results before getting predictions for the evening games is essentially impractical in a real life situation so isn't really much good to people who might want to have a few pennies on your system When I'm doing my "Low Goals and Under" system I'll do it like you with a real world approach but I may also try and keep a record of results with the other way just for the stats record on my spreadsheets. Talking of which I'm having a bugger of a time trying to understand the Sumproduct function and I might have to try DCOUNT or something different, anyone any good with excel? I think I'll go and ask on MrExcel - they have some incredible experts on there who seem to have the solution to everything, perhaps I'll try them on the meaning of life too
Also, Lorenzo mate, you seem to be on a roll there with the laying the losers on the 3-0s, you should really have had a loser by now but even if you had a couple now you'd still be ahead, keep it going, have you settled on a definite level for the stakes or is that part of it your own subjective opinion on your feeling as to the strength of the bet. I always like "Level Returns" but I notice that doesn't seem to get used a lot on the PuntersLounge and of course in the long run winning systems aren't really decided by the staking plan (unless it's something mad of course).
Anyway I'm rambling now so I'lll be off, Good luck to all
Ed

[clarky101]

One +2 tonnight

Leicester @ 2.54

[merlin]

..... the one selection for tonight League One duly obliged away from home, to make the latest position now:-

Total Staked		90.00		Avg Stake
Total Returned		131.28		10.00
Yield		1.459