How much money to make with courtsiding one tennis tournament?

[Grex]

Originally Posted by Grex

...... or perhaps I'm missing some technological issue, and talking through my ar*e as usual.

Obviously I was "talking through my ar*e". My sincere apologies, Mr. Massa...... good luck with your method

[serdar]

Hello GREX,
I am glad that you are back

[Grex]

Thanks, Serdar.... and to PL. "Glad that you are back" ??.... I never actually left .

For Felipe..... yes, I have dabbled with Betfair, but never in a serious way.... no trading etc. Yes, I am aware of one-click betting software..... good luck to you

[FelipeMassa]

My mate and me going to go courtsider next month. We expect to make about 300k we can share then over the course of the week. If we were to go to a Masters or Grandslam tournament I am sure there is more money t be made becasue of higher liquidity, but lets see how that goes first. I keep you up to date.

[Anita Kokinme]

$50 to $300k in 1 week. This is the best system I have ever seen. If I Western Union you $10, can I be in for 20% please?

[FelipeMassa]

Originally Posted by Samba_SamPa

$50 to $300k in 1 week. This is the best system I have ever seen. If I Western Union you $10, can I be in for 20% please?

no sorry mate, we have 40k as a starting bank that should be enough really no further stating money needed.

[Grex]

Originally Posted by Samba_SamPa

$50 to $300k in 1 week. This is the best system I have ever seen. If I Western Union you $10, can I be in for 20% please?

I think Samba was joking

[Anita Kokinme]

Originally Posted by FelipeMassa

no sorry mate, we have 40k as a starting bank that should be enough really no further stating money needed.

Originally Posted by Grex

I think Samba was joking

[FelipeMassa]

I don`t get your jokes really, somebody explain?
I am not joking i am serious btw.

[lunatism]

Originally Posted by FelipeMassa

I don`t get your jokes really, somebody explain?

Originally Posted by FelipeMassa

I am not joking i am serious btw.

Well, aside from it being illegal (well....the tournament operators would have you believe it's illegal anyway...it's probably at least *minor* fraud)...

So you'd be risking being banned for life, aswell as having all your laptop taken, betting accounts frozen and funds confiscated...and possibly a prison sentence too (and all the "fun" that goes along with prison...i'm sure you'll find out)...

I'm sure you DO take this seriously, but for the risks involved - it's at least borderline amusing. I don't know about your sense of humour, but please picture this:

unshaven man sitting "courtside" with his top of the range laptop, furiously typing away at Betfair...hardly concentrating on the match at all, all attention is going to laptop (why would this unshaven man go to a tennis game and then "play" on his laptop the whole game?.....security might wonder this, since they've been instructed to keep an eye on anyone with a laptop at a tennis match), he doesn't notice the security "team" approaching (by team, i mean the nastiest bunch you have ever seen, these guys were assembled to break the bones of people like you - and any resistance would just give them excuse to make their day) because he is so engrossed with his laptop....a few hours later, dishevelled, manhandled, and cavity searched, without any kind of electronic equipment (which means his phone, laptop, pda, ipod, watch, dildo are all gone) at all (all confiscated, "for use as evidence" they say)....this man is forced to cough up ALL betting account details, and subsequentially ALL winnings for the past few years have been removed from the account (because after all - he was probably involved in fraudulent activity, and each will need to inspected separately)...and money not in the betting account means that it is forcibly removed from his bank account.

Forcibly removed? Yes, and since he put ALL his cash into this courtsiding idea, he has gone HUGELY overdrawn and now owes his bank thousands of pounds.

When the security team finish through his laptop, they find illegal pornography (not at all far-fetched, this guy likes to live dangerously after all....just look here to see what happens http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/01/24/extreme_pron_law_live/)

He is hit by The Pon Law, and prosecuted for fraud too....

He is locked away for a very long time.

I find this funny...

It tickles me deep down inside....

Because anyone who is willing to risk everything for this amount of money, well, it can go one of two ways - he gets caught and is plastered all over the news and called a fool, dies in prison (raped and all) after committing suicide being unabe to pay all the fines he owes....

...or he's a hero - because he pulls it off....then it goes to his head, and he keeps doing it...then he's caught - see above for how that ends.

Good Luck Mate - you will need it, i wish I had your courage, confidence, studpity...

Best of luck, and I hope you keep us informed how your adventures pan out.....

[Anita Kokinme]

Wow, I am glad he didn't take me up on my 20% stake offer

Mmm, unless I get to choose which 20% of my cavities are searched...

It tickles me deep down inside...

I think Felipe might find himself getting tickled deep down inside too. Probably during shower time!

[hhorue]

I love how a few of you absolutely shot down what FelipeMassa had to say. Yet it's obvious by your comments that you have zero knowledge of how Betfair, 'live' broadcasts and tennis work. Let me just say not all is what it seems...

Felipe is definitely on to something here. I plan on doing what he's proposed with the Australian Open next year - provided that 'live' television images to Europe experience the same sort of delays as I have noted over the last couple of weeks.

50k+ per tournament is certainly possible. Have you guys seen how much markets move on particular points in tennis? Let me just say if you know what you're doing a killing can be made here.

Even if I revealed to you the exact process to follow, not everyone would be able to go out and profit from this. This is because you need to be very organised (with 2-3 people involved preferably) and start off with a big bank.

Anyway, good luck Felipe Let me know if you need help with true live scores for Aus Open next year

[hhorue]

Lol Lunatism! Some funny stuff there mate

But who says you need to have a laptop courtside to pull this off

[Anita Kokinme]

Originally Posted by hhorue

Yet it's obvious by your comments that you have zero knowledge of how Betfair, 'live' broadcasts and tennis work.

Q. Which is the most favourable outcome for me?

[ ] Rich, and buggered relentlessly?
[X] Not rich, but with rectum intact?

[hhorue]

Originally Posted by Samba_SamPa

Q. Which is the most favourable outcome for me?

[ ] Rich, and buggered relentlessly?
[X] Not rich, but with rectum intact?

Lol fair call mate. But your initial reply in this thread:

'$50 to $300k in 1 week. This is the best system I have ever seen. If I Western Union you $10, can I be in for 20% please? '

So what were saying there? I don't think at that point you understood what Felipe was talking about. You only switched to the 'oh no, i would rather not be rich but have my peace of mind' stance after lunatism confirmed profiting from courtsiding is actually possible.

[lunatism]

Originally Posted by hhorue

Lol Lunatism! Some funny stuff there mate

But who says you need to have a laptop courtside to pull this off

well - i'm aware of the betfair on the mobile (and I guess telephone betting too), but after they've banned laptops from the courts, no doubt they start paying close attention to anyone who is constantly on their phone too! Unless there is a psycic who owes you a favour

[hhorue]

lunatism - phone needed, betfair mobile not needed. Pretty much undetectable with bets being placed off court by a friend

[lunatism]

Originally Posted by hhorue

lunatism - phone needed, betfair mobile not needed. Pretty much undetectable with bets being placed off court by a friend

well it would have to be phone calls made, right? Because a text couldn't be fast enough to beat the 20 second delay (unless you're a wizz at that kind of thing...and your network is supreme).

But making calls needn't be a problem i presume, since you wouldn't even need to have your phone on display - because of the joys of handsfree, right? Bluetooth preferable, but even the bog standard handsfree cable...or some other outlandish idea (how about smoke signals, flares, carrier pidgeons) could probably do the trick i'm guessing..

Which means you could have a buddy off the grid completely in the middle of nowhere placing the bets for you (oh so convenient)...

(i hope i've dressed this up as a viable option now anyway - just in case i came across as being too anti-courtsiding before )

...now I think (but don't know) that the main reasons the courts are getting peeved at this, is because they are losing credibility on all bookies offering live bet options on the tennis, hurting their reputations, and costing all bookies buckloads of cash...the only one who can would still profit from this is Betfair, and so the majority of people who are doing this will be on Betfair anyway (now that's just plain business sense, higher liquidity, etc).

Why would Betfair stop allowing this then, when it brings in profit (and trading with such large amounts £100k plus etc), would be making so much for them? The AU article mentioned:

"He added that he'd heard rumours this was happening. "I haven't seen it in practice," Davies said."

That's Mark Davies a spokesman for Betfair...admitting to hearing rumours (which probably means seeing sudden spikes in certain trading accounts), while not seeing it in practice ("inspite of hearing rumours, we've made the choice not to investigate at this present moment why we're getting a lot more profits from certain tennis games"). But that doesn't mean that Betfair will remain passive in this for too long, this at best is LAZY and GREEDY approach, that will hurt them in the long term if it's not dealt with...

They could be set to lose broadcasting contracts (and therefore can't stream the tennis matches or worse, not able to provide betting on the markets at all....no idea if the courts could take such action, but if i was the ATP, i'd be looking in to it as a worst case scenerio with sufficient evidence), another is reputation.....but whatever the choices they make - it IS a dangerous game to play. Period

Whether or not Betfair currently give a damn about your potentially illegable (or at least highly suspect...still not sure on this) activities, the ATP will hunt you down. They will put thousands if not millions of money and hours into stopping it from happening, because it's costing them...credibility, revenue, advertising contracts (after all - which bookie is going to pay for advertising space when they know they'll be buggered from courtsiding?).

But the idea of courtsiding is just a step too far, even for my outlandish tastes - just like everyone else, £50k to £100k in a week sounds like heaven, but if you have to go through hell to get it (and then have it confiscated anyway), is there really any point?

Hhorue & FelipeMassa, I don't want you to reveal your techniques on here (and i'm sure you won't) just to prove that it's possible (for it definately IS possible)....i just can't help but wonder - wouldn't you say this was a lot lot more than gambling here? Most people just gamble with their money, while anybody who does something like pinching thousands from under the noses of the bookies via a courtside loop is liable for a very sore time in the future when eventually apprehended.

(just to add - i could argue either way on this one, i flipped a coin)

[lunatism]

Originally Posted by FelipeMassa

...opinions welcome

you asked for an opinion.....I gave you essay responses....too much free time on my hands

[FelipeMassa]

lunatism its nothing to do with bookmakers, only betfair, you dont understand the whole concept of it. Also ATP ban laptops courtside because they are worried about match fixing not people having a time advantage when betting on betfair.