How much money to make with courtsiding one tennis tournament?

[FelipeMassa]

What do you think?
1.) 50k to 100k
2.) 100k to 300k
3.) 300k to 500k

opinions welcome

[ScottyXS]

Firstly can I just say I was gutted you never won the F1 championship this year
Oh well always next year.

The question depends on a couple of things Massa.

How much cash are you going into the tourney with originally?
- Obviously if you are going in with £1,000 as opposed to £100 you will be looking to make 10 x the amount you would with £100.

How big the tourney is?
- For many smaller tournaments you won't get matched for large amounts, especially just moments before the markets close. Bringing your income down.

The delay difference
- This maybe decided by the previous point on how large the tourney is, as to how well the media and BF manage to keep up with the live goings on. Obviously with a larger time slice available the amount you can win will go up ten-fold.

It really depends how much you went into the tourney with tho mostly, as it would be still stupidly difficult achieving 50k in profit from an original stake of £10!!

Scotty

[FelipeMassa]

Frist thanks, but that sucker Hamilton got lucky.

Well my question i mean maximum to make if you would do this professionally so bank size doesnt matter, most times you cant hoover 50k anyway so say with bank size 50k.
What do you think you would expect to do say in one Masters series tournament. cheers.

[averick]

Sorry but what is courtsiding?
Couldn't find it on the net.

[Lechero79]

Originally Posted by averick

Sorry but what is courtsiding?
Couldn't find it on the net.

I presume it means getting tickets for a live tennis match, taking a laptop with a 3G internet dongle and knowing the outcome of each point before people watching various live streams (which are delayed by 15-20 seconds usually) do, and then making optimal back/lay decisions with more advanced information than other people.

[FelipeMassa]

you are correct, i assumer peoplea re making more than 50k a match with that. if you watch the market closely and what amounts are getting matched you can tell that.
But still what do you think?

[byrnesy]

Are punters doing this on most sports? racing, football etc, or is it mostly for tennis where a lot of points are at stake.

[FelipeMassa]

right and they do more profits in week than me in a year.

[Fat Jack]

The 'faces' following the ATP around are finding it more and more difficult to get court side these days. They were taking action last month at the Madrid Masters - don't know what the situation is now.

http://www.theage.com.au/news/sport/...145637435.html

[FelipeMassa]

I have a new estimate and i think that at Australian open alone they will be doing propably about 500k to 1 million pound. Its so easy and so many people to stupid to pull their money out after points.

[Grex]

I thought this section of the Forum was for "systems" not "cheating". I'm all for reducing the bookmaker's edge, but I think you have to keep it clean..... but, if we're talking about 500k .... anyone know where you can buy 3G internet dongles ??

[FelipeMassa]

Originally Posted by Grex

I thought this section of the Forum was for "systems" not "cheating". I'm all for reducing the bookmaker's edge, but I think you have to keep it clean..... but, if we're talking about 500k .... anyone know where you can buy 3G internet dongles ??

I am talking about Betfair not bookmakers. Just look at the amounts matched at what prices by the courtsiders after each point and you know see its enourmous. You can basically become milllaire in one tournament.

[Mr Intensity]

Originally Posted by FelipeMassa

I am talking about Betfair not bookmakers. Just look at the amounts matched at what prices by the courtsiders after each point and you know see its enourmous. You can basically become milllaire in one tournament.

So have you done it yet?

[FelipeMassa]

No but I will because this is just too much money to reject. there might not be a way to get to this much money that easy ina few years anymore so better do that quick.

[Grex]

Originally Posted by FelipeMassa

I am talking about Betfair not bookmakers.

You are quite right, Felipe.... you are not "cheating" the bookmakers (i.e. Betfair) who will take their 5% commission in any case.... but you are "cheating" the honest punter (like you and me).... which is probably even worse . Anyway, good luck to you if you decide to become a millionaire

[FelipeMassa]

i dont cheat anybody. if people are too stupid to cancel bets its not my problem.

[friskyfitz]

Originally Posted by FelipeMassa

i dont cheat anybody. if people are too stupid to cancel bets its not my problem.

[Grex]

OK.... perhaps I've been a bit too moralistic with my previous comments about "cheating".

But I still don't understand how the "system" can work... for example, you are sitting in the front row of the stadium... Federer is 40-30 up on his serve against Nadal. Federer serves an "ace" to win the game..... first you have to wait say 2 seconds to make sure there's no appeal by Nadal against the point.... then say another 2 to 3 seconds to place your bet (either back Federer, or lay Nadal, depending on the odds and the liquidity). Then, there is a waiting period imposed by Betfair of (say) 5 seconds. That means a total of (at least) 10 seconds between Federer serving the ace and Betfair accepting your bet. Surely Betfair's communication system is faster than 10 seconds, and the market will have been "suspended" ???

...... or perhaps I'm missing some technological issue, and talking through my ar*e as usual.

[Grex]

This potentially intriguing thread has gone ominously quiet. Perhaps Mr. Massa is busy spending his first million .... and perhaps the rest of us are frantically trying to set up our new 3G phones together with their dingle-dangle-dongles

One thing I couldn't understand was why Mr. Massa was willing to share with us his "method" (I am reluctant to call it a "system").... surely its success depends on as few punters as possible using it, otherwise Betfair's system will get clogged up with last-second bets.... and somebody at Betfair may get suspicious

[FelipeMassa]

Did you bet at Betfair before?
You know there is software that allows one clcik betting?
Betfair suspends markets only at the very end?
you talk nonsense.