Greyhound System helpers required

[bunnychaser]

Hi
my name is andy and i am trying a system out but it is far too time consuming for me to get any real results but the ones i have done have all made profit.
It is quite easy to do the math once you know how the system works what i need is for 5 people to help me out here in doing some calculations and posting selections in this thread for all to see.
If interested in joining the trials please email me or skype me and i will explain what is involved sorry to be a bit cagey about the system and i hope i am not breaking forum rules but i would like to properly test it live and i cant do this on my own.
It works on paper with the few i have time to calculate it does involve simple math out of the 6 people including me we would need 2 people to cover the morning cards, 2 people to cover the afternoon cards and 2 people to cover the evening cards covering all the days greyhound meetings so if you would like to help out come on get on

[EDIT]
best regards

andy

[kevsul]

Firstly to the PL Bunnychaser







would it just not be easier to back test it.

This i think would be the way to approach it



As all results would be on www.thedogs.co.uk

[bunnychaser]

i suppose but there are just too many numbers involved if i had the time i would no disrespect but that is why i put the post up in the first place i need help

regards

andy

[bunnychaser]

thankyou for the welcome sorry i missed that one respect

[bunnychaser]

ime sorry i dont put myself across very well i have paper traded on my own
i need to put it into practice thats what i am asking for but i can only do 2 cards a day maximum and that is pushing it
this is a system i have its free and there is no untoward repocushions you can paper trade as far as i am concerned all we need to know is the results daily
am i doing this all wrong i dont know ettiquette on forums

[Cassius Marcellus]

If you're not spamming, why is this on your profile page?


http://sport-of-kings.co.nr

[bunnychaser]

hi
If you're not spamming#

did i say i was spamming
when i signed up it asked for a website so i put it in i will remove it if so required its been dead for months just something i was toying with but if it offends it is gone i only filled in what was required at registration but i cant understand why it is spamming if i had put the link in this thread (like you have done) then fair enough it was your choice to look in my profile if you want to look around feel free login racingking password winners i have nothing to hide i came on here firstly because it is very good and active secondly maybe to learn something and thirdly to look for a bit of help working a system so in theory you are spamming my thread hahahah

it is a free url i just picked up whilst bored one day i hope this answers your question

regards

andy

ps if someone here would like to use this url feel free

[Datapunter]

Andy, we just don't do "if interesed email me",
if you post the system here in public view you'll get all the help you need in no time. But if you want to form a private group you can't use PL for that. It defaets the whole purpose of a public forum.

To have a website link in you signature or even in a post does require prior permission. However any member can have any website link in their profile.

[bunnychaser]

ok dp ime sorry i am truly new to this i will remove or you remove the link it realy isnt an issue with me and i cant beleive its causing such a stir

the reason about this thread is because the system is so complex i wanted to talk to people on skype to talk them through it and get oppinions and a bit of teamwork

i cant beleive i wrote if interested how narrow minded of me

i must read my posts before posting i will write this 100 times

i will start again sorry for all the confusion

[bunnychaser]

ok guys here goes

the system requires to have a account on the rp website which i think most here have we need to go to the dogs cards for the day

for each race we add together the last 3 outings first bend times together and the last 3 race finish times together for each greyhound

so it should look like this

first bend
trap 1: 4.27+4.32+4.23=12.82

finish time
trap 1 added together 8652

trap2: 4.25+4.67+4.90=13.82

finish time added together 8412

etc

you do all 6 dogs and then you work out from 1 to 6 in order of merit example

trap1: first bend 1 finish time 2
trap2: first bend 2 finish time 1
trap3: first bend 4 finish time 6
trap4: first bend 5 finish time 4
trap5: first bend 3 finish time 3
trap6: first bend 6 finish time 5

add these 2 figures together
ie:
trap1 1+2=3
trap2 2+1=3
trap3 4+6=10
trap4 5+4=9
trap5 3+3=6
trap6 6+5=11

the dog with the highest number we lay off so we lay off trap 6

and i would dutch back traps 1 & 2

can you see how time consuming this can be with about 80 races a day thats why i am looking for help we each pick a meeting a day and share our selections i havnt done much on the backing side but when i have they have won out of each race meeting a day i have had only 1 winner but we cant do anything about dogs bumping and is to be expected

so if you want to test this theory with me please leave feedback here

regards

andy

[whycantistayawayfromdogs]

right a few things you probably need to note. If you are taking the last 3 theres probably a few filters you need to add in...

- Rule out a dog that has had a layoff (season/injury/fall) as their previous time will likely be better than how it will run that day

- I assume you are ruling out trial times

- What if trap 1s last 3 times had been in trap 3 (where he always runs badly)

There are a lot of situations where this system will fall flat on its face.

[bunnychaser]

thanks for the input i do generally do as you say i look at all the pitfalls but as a rule we must accept we are going to get losers but the system we have here is designed to have 90% winners which in turn should return a good profit but untill we get a group to test this i suppose we are in limbo but thankyou for the input

yes i do omit trials as this isnt true to competition racing

[klaymore79]

What do you do with races where dogs have run different lengths recently? I just got home, went onto the RP site to check what you were saying. The 611 at Monmore, trap 6, has 2 of the last 3 races on a longer race, the other 3 match the current race. So do we disregard this completey, or go on with it?

[bunnychaser]

well what i do is if there are 3 races in the last five shown on the rp website where the dog ran the same distance i use the next race inline aslong as it isnt a time trial if you get what i mean but if the dog has only run lets say 2 races in the last five at 500m then i do not do that one race and go on to the next

[bunnychaser]

sorry i couldnt reply earlier just had a power nap

[bunnychaser]

ive had some great response and lots of suggestions

one suggestion was to develop some sort of spreadsheet to do the math as i know nothing about this field i was wondering if anyone here could devise something to make this system a little less time consuming

thanks for all the replys and suggestions please keep the possitive feedback coming

[bunnychaser]

i have done a video if anyone would like me to send it to them i have ftp file transfer installed so i could send it it is just an avi and explains it alot better or maybe there is somewhere i could put it any suggestions

[Cassius Marcellus]

Graders at BAGS tracks are told to put three pingers and three finishers in each race whenever possible, for most of the card, supposedly giving every dog a level chance, barring bent races.

This gives the bookies a chance to bet at the instructed 140%, or the stadium loses its BAGS contract, and becomes a supermarket.

Betfair bet at about 102% and laying is a dangerous game to play with absolute rags at the track showing at 5/1, when they can easily be 12/1 or more on Betfair.

The graders are also told to let a winner stay in the same grade for two of the races, to attract punters into having a go at a short priced jolly.

Over 60% of dogs that lead at the first bend go on to win.

Sectional times mean nothing when dogs are upgraded as they do not generally last home in better company.

Bitches who are fresh back from a seasonal break do not perform well for a good few weeks.

The Racing Post greyhound type setter is a joke. He thinks because a dog is in 5 or 6 it is a wide runner, and will mark the formcard with a 'W'. A lot of the time they are not wide runners at all, but are not confirmed railers, so they get stuck in the outside traps, head straight down the middle, and cause carnage at the first turn.

Bumping and boring costs fractions of a second, but a quarter of a second = about 3 lengths, and is hard to peg back.

Any track bias is increased in adverse weather.

Fast starters don't normally do well in 6 benders, unless there is trouble behind them.

Taking all this into account, the only redeeming feature of dog racing is that there are no jockeys to pull them.

[bunnychaser]

have you got anything positive to say ?

[Cassius Marcellus]

Systems don't work.

Is that positive enough?

If you're basing your system on time, all the calculations appear to be pointless. The RP shows the dogs fastest time on the form line. Just back the fastest dog. Alternately, lay the dog with the slowest 'fastest time' on the form line.