Automated in-play laying - discuss

[happygooner]

Goodwood
14:00 Electrolux Median Auction Maiden Stakes (div 1) (2yo, Class 5, 7f, 12 runners) Layed Roman Glory@2.36
14:35 Electrolux Median Auction Maiden Stakes (div 2) (2yo, Class 5, 7f, 10 runners) Layed Zebrano@4.30
15:10 R. H. Hall / E.b.f. Maiden Stakes (2yo, Class 4, 1m 1f, 15 runners)
Layed Headline Act@1.77
15:45 3663 First For Foodservice Handicap (3yo+, Class 4, 6f, 16 runners)
16:20 Foundation Stakes (listed) (3yo+, Class 1, 1m 1f 192y, 7 runners)
16:55 Coors Brewers Celebrating John Spiers Retirement Handicap (3yo, Class 4, 1m 3f, 11 runners)
17:30 Merbury Catering Consultants Handicap (3yo+, Class 4, 1m 4f, 12 runners)
18:00 Merbury 18th Anniversary Apprentice Handicap (3yo+, Class 5, 5f, 15 runners)

Redcar
13:45 E.b.f. Maiden Stakes (div 1) (2yo, Class 5, 7f, 11 runners)
Layed Spinners End@3.6
14:15 E.b.f. Maiden Stakes (div 2) (2yo, Class 5, 7f, 11 runners)
Layed Master Rooney@1.81
14:50 Pertemps Employment Alliance Nursery Handicap (2yo, Class 6, 1m, 20 runners) Layed Andean Margin@6.4
15:25 Boddingtons Straight-mile Championship Claiming Stakes (qal) (3yo+, Class 4, 1m, 18 runners)
16:00 Pertemps People Development Group Handicap (3yo+, Class 5, 1m 2f, 14 runners)
16:35 Weddings At Redcar Selling Stakes (3-5yo, Class 6, 1m 2f, 15 runners)
17:10 Rotary Watches At Market Cross Jewellers Handicap (3yo+, Class 5, 5f, 18 runners)
17:40 Subscribe To Racing Uk Handicap (3yo+, Class 6, 6f, 19 runners)

Perth
14:25 Iveco Eurocargo Maiden Hurdle (div 1) (4yo+, Class 5, 2m 4f 110y, 11 runners) Layed It's Tough@2.96
15:00 Maersk Oil North Sea Novices' Handicap Chase (4yo+, Class 4, 2m, 9 runners) Layed Freddie The Third@3.3
15:35 Easyfix Plastic Hurdles Claiming Hurdle (4-6yo, Class 5, 2m 110y, 9 runners)
16:10 Star Alliance The Way Earth Connects Handicap Chase (4yo+, Class 3, 3m, 9 runners)
16:45 Sterling Assurance Juvenile Novices' Hurdle (3yo, Class 4, 2m 110y, 6 runners)
17:20 Iveco All Blacks Handicap Hurdle (4yo+, Class 4, 3m 110y, 11 runners)
17:50 Iveco Eurocargo Maiden Hurdle (div 2) (4yo+, Class 5, 2m 4f 110y, 10 runners)

Kempton
18:20 Kempton.co.uk Median Auction Maiden Fillies' Stakes (2yo, Class 6, 1m, 14 runners)
18:50 Day Time, Night Time, Great Time Median Auction Maiden Stks (3-5yo, Class 6, 1m, 11 runners)
19:20 Digibet.com Nursery Handicap (2yo, Class 6, 7f, 14 runners)
19:50 Digibet.com Handicap (3yo+, Class 6, 7f, 13 runners)
20:20 Digibet Casino Handicap (3yo+, Class 6, 6f, 12 runners)
20:50 Tfm Networks Handicap (3yo+, Class 5, 1m 4f, 13 runners)
21:20 Barrettstown Stud Handicap (3yo+, Class 6, 1m, 13 runners)

Downpatrick
14:10 Coca-cola Maiden Hurdle (5yo+, 2m 6f, 18 runners)
Layed Mr Farmer@3.6
14:40 Cuisine De France Handicap Hurdle (77-90) (4yo+, 2m 1f 172y, 18 runners) Layed Knockgloss@5.8
15:15 Tayto Derrinstown Stud Apprentice Handicap (50-70) (4yo+, 1m 4f 110y, 15 runners)
15:50 Mace Northern Ireland Champion Apprentice Handicap (45-60) (3yo+, 1m 3f 55y, 18 runners)
16:20 Rhm Bakeries Beginners Chase (4yo+, 2m 2f 110y, 17 runners)
16:55 Britvic Handicap Chase (0-95) (5yo+, 2m 7f, 18 runners)
17:25 Denny E.b.f. Beginners Chase (5yo+, 2m 7f, 10 runners)

More to follow as first race not far off now!!!

[happygooner]

Continuation from last post...

Goodwood
14:00 Electrolux Median Auction Maiden Stakes (div 1) (2yo, Class 5, 7f, 12 runners) Layed Roman Glory@2.36
14:35 Electrolux Median Auction Maiden Stakes (div 2) (2yo, Class 5, 7f, 10 runners) Layed Zebrano@4.30
15:10 R. H. Hall / E.b.f. Maiden Stakes (2yo, Class 4, 1m 1f, 15 runners)
Layed Headline Act@1.77
15:45 3663 First For Foodservice Handicap (3yo+, Class 4, 6f, 16 runners)
16:20 Foundation Stakes (listed) (3yo+, Class 1, 1m 1f 192y, 7 runners)
16:55 Coors Brewers Celebrating John Spiers Retirement Handicap (3yo, Class 4, 1m 3f, 11 runners)
17:30 Merbury Catering Consultants Handicap (3yo+, Class 4, 1m 4f, 12 runners)
18:00 Merbury 18th Anniversary Apprentice Handicap (3yo+, Class 5, 5f, 15 runners)

Redcar
13:45 E.b.f. Maiden Stakes (div 1) (2yo, Class 5, 7f, 11 runners)
Layed Spinners End@3.6
14:15 E.b.f. Maiden Stakes (div 2) (2yo, Class 5, 7f, 11 runners)
Layed Master Rooney@1.81
14:50 Pertemps Employment Alliance Nursery Handicap (2yo, Class 6, 1m, 20 runners) Layed Andean Margin@6.4
15:25 Boddingtons Straight-mile Championship Claiming Stakes (qal) (3yo+, Class 4, 1m, 18 runners) Layed Very Wise @ 4.6
16:00 Pertemps People Development Group Handicap (3yo+, Class 5, 1m 2f, 14 runners)
16:35 Weddings At Redcar Selling Stakes (3-5yo, Class 6, 1m 2f, 15 runners)
17:10 Rotary Watches At Market Cross Jewellers Handicap (3yo+, Class 5, 5f, 18 runners)
17:40 Subscribe To Racing Uk Handicap (3yo+, Class 6, 6f, 19 runners)

Perth
14:25 Iveco Eurocargo Maiden Hurdle (div 1) (4yo+, Class 5, 2m 4f 110y, 11 runners) Layed It's Tough@2.96
15:00 Maersk Oil North Sea Novices' Handicap Chase (4yo+, Class 4, 2m, 9 runners) Layed Freddie The Third@3.3
15:35 Easyfix Plastic Hurdles Claiming Hurdle (4-6yo, Class 5, 2m 110y, 9 runners) Layed Roman Villa @ 2.78
16:10 Star Alliance The Way Earth Connects Handicap Chase (4yo+, Class 3, 3m, 9 runners)
16:45 Sterling Assurance Juvenile Novices' Hurdle (3yo, Class 4, 2m 110y, 6 runners)
17:20 Iveco All Blacks Handicap Hurdle (4yo+, Class 4, 3m 110y, 11 runners)
17:50 Iveco Eurocargo Maiden Hurdle (div 2) (4yo+, Class 5, 2m 4f 110y, 10 runners)

Kempton
18:20 Kempton.co.uk Median Auction Maiden Fillies' Stakes (2yo, Class 6, 1m, 14 runners)
18:50 Day Time, Night Time, Great Time Median Auction Maiden Stks (3-5yo, Class 6, 1m, 11 runners)
19:20 Digibet.com Nursery Handicap (2yo, Class 6, 7f, 14 runners)
19:50 Digibet.com Handicap (3yo+, Class 6, 7f, 13 runners)
20:20 Digibet Casino Handicap (3yo+, Class 6, 6f, 12 runners)
20:50 Tfm Networks Handicap (3yo+, Class 5, 1m 4f, 13 runners)
21:20 Barrettstown Stud Handicap (3yo+, Class 6, 1m, 13 runners)

Downpatrick
14:10 Coca-cola Maiden Hurdle (5yo+, 2m 6f, 18 runners)
Layed Mr Farmer@3.6
14:40 Cuisine De France Handicap Hurdle (77-90) (4yo+, 2m 1f 172y, 18 runners) Layed Knockgloss@5.8
15:15 Tayto Derrinstown Stud Apprentice Handicap (50-70) (4yo+, 1m 4f 110y, 15 runners) Layed Mythical Prince @ 6.6
15:50 Mace Northern Ireland Champion Apprentice Handicap (45-60) (3yo+, 1m 3f 55y, 18 runners)
16:20 Rhm Bakeries Beginners Chase (4yo+, 2m 2f 110y, 17 runners)
16:55 Britvic Handicap Chase (0-95) (5yo+, 2m 7f, 18 runners)
17:25 Denny E.b.f. Beginners Chase (5yo+, 2m 7f, 10 runners)

Sorry but no more time to post which favourites but I'm taking them all and will have a screen print later.

[happygooner]

I underestimated the amount of time it takes betting each race but it is working again.

It continues

[aldric]

Originally Posted by happygooner

I underestimated the amount of time it takes betting each race but it is working again.

It continues

Can you not just do it all at the start of the day?

Thinking about it, I guess it depends how much money you have in your account!!

[FleetFanatic]

So if I am reading this right....

If for instance the fav was 3.00 in an 8 horse race, the idea is to get the other 7 layed for 3.00 in running?

And therefore, allowing for commission you would need to get at least 4 including the fav matched to make a profit at odds of 3.00?

That way if the fav won you would pay out 2/1, whilst getting 3 times (or more if more got matched) the original stake from the other 3 losers that got matched.

Am I getting the idea?

[happygooner]

Originally Posted by FleetFanatic

So if I am reading this right....

If for instance the fav was 3.00 in an 8 horse race, the idea is to get the other 7 layed for 3.00 in running?

And therefore, allowing for commission you would need to get at least 4 including the fav matched to make a profit at odds of 3.00?

That way if the fav won you would pay out 2/1, whilst getting 3 times (or more if more got matched) the original stake from the other 3 losers that got matched.

Am I getting the idea?

Yup

Working well again today with 10 horses matched at 6.6 I think in one race

Last 2 races were full losses as I guess favourite dominated from start to finish

But overall

[happygooner]

Originally Posted by aldric

Can you not just do it all at the start of the day?

Thinking about it, I guess it depends how much money you have in your account!!

I may have to start as today has been fairly manic what with being expected to do waork and stuff as well

[happygooner]

The hardest thing about this by far is going to be documenting every blasted race haha!!

Easy enough to post screeshots of my statement which document how the entire day unfolded but actually typing these up would take me hours

[ScottyXS]

Hey HG, surely races with short priced favourites should produce the highest turnover.
When the favourite has odds of 8/1, then you need to get 8 other horses matched, just to break even, surely??
Least even if an even shot wins, only requires 1 other horse to be matched to break even, any more for profit.

[Hodgey]

Originally Posted by ScottyXS

Hey HG, surely races with short priced favourites should produce the highest turnover.
When the favourite has odds of 8/1, then you need to get 8 other horses matched, just to break even, surely??
Least even if an even shot wins, only requires 1 other horse to be matched to break even, any more for profit.

Exactly what I was thinking mate.

A cut off of say 2/1 or maybe 5/2 on the fave might be the best way to go here. Plenty of horses go that short in running too.

[Paul Ross]

Very interesting approach HG, watching with interest.

[JackJarvis]

This is interesting.

I agree you should set a limit on the price you lay. I'd say 3/1 at the very max or maybe even 5/2.

The distance of race is a tough one.

You could say the shorter races are best because several are in with a chance 1 or 2 furlongs out but I honestly believe the longer events would be the best option as so much changes throughout the race with horses seemingly travelling well and then finding nothing.

How is the jump races going?

[happygooner]

Originally Posted by ScottyXS

Hey HG, surely races with short priced favourites should produce the highest turnover.
When the favourite has odds of 8/1, then you need to get 8 other horses matched, just to break even, surely??
Least even if an even shot wins, only requires 1 other horse to be matched to break even, any more for profit.

Yeah but in a big field it's surprising how many horses get matched around 6's. Like I said one of the best races today was a high priced favourite where 9 more horses got matched at the price of this favourite.

For that reason I'm not ruling any races out for the time being.

[happygooner]

Originally Posted by Hodgey

Exactly what I was thinking mate.

A cut off of say 2/1 or maybe 5/2 on the fave might be the best way to go here. Plenty of horses go that short in running too.

See above

[happygooner]

Originally Posted by JackJarvis

This is interesting.

I agree you should set a limit on the price you lay. I'd say 3/1 at the very max or maybe even 5/2.

The distance of race is a tough one.

You could say the shorter races are best because several are in with a chance 1 or 2 furlongs out but I honestly believe the longer events would be the best option as so much changes throughout the race with horses seemingly travelling well and then finding nothing.

How is the jump races going?

I'll post the screenprint and then you can see for yourself

[happygooner]

Now please please please don't ask me to type all that out

[happygooner]

ahh....maybe one at a time

[happygooner]

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[happygooner]

I'll get there in the end

[ScottyXS]