1x2, DNB or Lays...which is most profitable? - The Punters Lounge

jimmah · 17-05-2009, 18:50

Curiosity has been getting to me lately and I wanted to see if laying teams could hold its own in a proper system compared to "Draw No Bets" or straight winners (1x2).

The purpose of this thread will be to use the picks from my laying thread and put them into three separate banks, one for each type of bet.

Each bank will have 100 points and each bet will be 10% of the bank. This will be worked out before each bet.

All lays will be with betfair and all other bets will use the best odds I can find. The bookmaker will be posted. THIS IS A PAPER TRIAL

Stay Tuned!

aliando · 17-05-2009, 19:23

i'd have thought that the dnb's/laying would be better in one bank, but simply looking at which odds are better value as they return the same outcome? EDIT - still in holiday mode - mistaking dnb's with double chance bets

interesting to see the comparison - not exactly paper trialled like this, but most of my betting these days is layign rather than betting on.

good luck

newestpunter · 17-05-2009, 20:02

draw no bets are more proftable bets but i guess if you factor in occasional draws where your bank is not growing (whereas the same result would yield an increase in the laying bank) then it might work out to be a similar figure in terms of growth

jimmah · 18-05-2009, 01:39

Time will tell i spose

1. Helsingborgs vs Trelleborgs with the home team being backed in the three ways

1x2 Bank

10 points at 1.5

Balance 90

DNB Bank

10 points at 1.17

Balance 90

Lay Bank

10 points laying at 10.26 (odds I got matched at on Betfair)

Balance 90

jimmah · 18-05-2009, 01:40

As a note the 10 points on the laying bank is the liability not the payout if you catch my drift

EDIT Also completely forgot to say the bookmakers. The 1x2 bet is with Skybet and the DNB is Stan James

Hooloovoo · 18-05-2009, 07:46

Interesting comparison, will watch

jimmah · 18-05-2009, 20:14

Well Helsingborgs squandered a 2-0 lead and it finished 2-2

1x2 Bank Balance £90

DNB Bank Balance £100

Lay Bank Balance £101.08

Wins 0
Draws 1
Losses 0

jimmah · 21-05-2009, 11:10

2. Trelleborgs at home to Djurgardens with the home team being backed

1x2 Bank

9 points at 2.08 with Betfair

DNB Bank

10 points at 1.44 with bet365

Lay Bank

10.11 points at 4.3

JackJarvis · 21-05-2009, 14:05

Very good comparison mate, should provide interesting stats over time.

Hooloovoo · 21-05-2009, 14:46

A thought: Wouldn't it be a more "correct" comparison if the odds were taken from the same bookie/exchange?

jimmah · 21-05-2009, 14:50

I'm not sure to be honest. This experiment is really to see which system would work best and I think if I were to run one of these systems it would be using the best odds I could find.

Though I agree if it were just a pure comparison of the 3 methods of betting rather than the systems it would be more "correct" to use the same bookie.

Hooloovoo · 21-05-2009, 15:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by jimmah

I'm not sure to be honest. This experiment is really to see which system would work best and I think if I were to run one of these systems it would be using the best odds I could find.

Though I agree if it were just a pure comparison of the 3 methods of betting rather than the systems it would be more "correct" to use the same bookie.

You're right, there's a difference

jimmah · 21-05-2009, 17:54

2-0 Trelleborg

1x2 Bank Balance £99.72

DNB Bank Balance £104.40

Lay Bank Balance £104.14

newestpunter · 21-05-2009, 19:05

lol - aha so you're a "before the eggs hatch chicken counter"

finished 3-0

lol

good one

jimmah · 21-05-2009, 20:28

so I am. How much stoppage time was there in that game?!

jtw1 · 21-05-2009, 21:28

Hope you manage to keep this going for a good while jimmah it should be interesting to see how the 3 compare over time .

Good Luck mate

newestpunter · 21-05-2009, 22:20

dunno about stoppage time, 3rd goal came in the 77th minute

anyway, nice going so far

jimmah · 22-05-2009, 01:51

really?! Then my internet connection is terrible as I was not told about that!

jimmah · 22-05-2009, 01:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by jtw1

Hope you manage to keep this going for a good while jimmah it should be interesting to see how the 3 compare over time .

Good Luck mate

Thanks. I intend to keep it going for as long as the Laying Football Selections thread has money in it and at the rate its currently going that could be a long, long time!

jimmah · 22-05-2009, 12:20

3. Bohemians at home to Drogheda with the home team backed

1x2 Bank

9.97 points at 1.3 with Victor Chandler

DNB Bank

10.44 points at 1.09 with William Hill

Lay Bank

10.41 points at 19.87

17-05-2009, 18:50	#1 (permalink)
jimmah Shrewdie Punter Join Date: 02 Oct 2008 Location: London Age: 26 Posts: 642	1x2, DNB or Lays...which is most profitable? Curiosity has been getting to me lately and I wanted to see if laying teams could hold its own in a proper system compared to "Draw No Bets" or straight winners (1x2). The purpose of this thread will be to use the picks from my laying thread and put them into three separate banks, one for each type of bet. Each bank will have 100 points and each bet will be 10% of the bank. This will be worked out before each bet. All lays will be with betfair and all other bets will use the best odds I can find. The bookmaker will be posted. THIS IS A PAPER TRIAL Stay Tuned! __________________ "In a bet there is a fool and a thief" Last edited by jimmah; 17-05-2009 at 19:33.

17-05-2009, 19:23	#2 (permalink)
aliando 322 Join Date: 12 Aug 2005 Age: 33 Posts: 25,026 Awards Showcase Total Awards: 6	Re: 1x2, DNB or Lays...which is most profitable? i'd have thought that the dnb's/laying would be better in one bank, but simply looking at which odds are better value as they return the same outcome? EDIT - still in holiday mode - mistaking dnb's with double chance bets interesting to see the comparison - not exactly paper trialled like this, but most of my betting these days is layign rather than betting on. good luck

17-05-2009, 20:02	#3 (permalink)
newestpunter Legendary Punter Join Date: 20 Apr 2009 Posts: 1,622	Re: 1x2, DNB or Lays...which is most profitable? draw no bets are more proftable bets but i guess if you factor in occasional draws where your bank is not growing (whereas the same result would yield an increase in the laying bank) then it might work out to be a similar figure in terms of growth

18-05-2009, 01:39	#4 (permalink)
jimmah Shrewdie Punter Join Date: 02 Oct 2008 Location: London Age: 26 Posts: 642	Re: 1x2, DNB or Lays...which is most profitable? Time will tell i spose 1. Helsingborgs vs Trelleborgs with the home team being backed in the three ways 1x2 Bank 10 points at 1.5 Balance 90 DNB Bank 10 points at 1.17 Balance 90 Lay Bank 10 points laying at 10.26 (odds I got matched at on Betfair) Balance 90 __________________ "In a bet there is a fool and a thief"

18-05-2009, 01:40	#5 (permalink)
jimmah Shrewdie Punter Join Date: 02 Oct 2008 Location: London Age: 26 Posts: 642	Re: 1x2, DNB or Lays...which is most profitable? As a note the 10 points on the laying bank is the liability not the payout if you catch my drift EDIT Also completely forgot to say the bookmakers. The 1x2 bet is with Skybet and the DNB is Stan James __________________ "In a bet there is a fool and a thief" Last edited by jimmah; 18-05-2009 at 10:07.

18-05-2009, 07:46	#6 (permalink)
Hooloovoo Disturbed Punter Join Date: 18 Jan 2008 Location: Sweden Age: 36 Posts: 3,603	Re: 1x2, DNB or Lays...which is most profitable? Interesting comparison, will watch

18-05-2009, 20:14	#7 (permalink)
jimmah Shrewdie Punter Join Date: 02 Oct 2008 Location: London Age: 26 Posts: 642	Re: 1x2, DNB or Lays...which is most profitable? Well Helsingborgs squandered a 2-0 lead and it finished 2-2 1x2 Bank Balance £90 DNB Bank Balance £100 Lay Bank Balance £101.08 Wins 0 Draws 1 Losses 0 __________________ "In a bet there is a fool and a thief" Last edited by jimmah; 18-05-2009 at 20:15.

21-05-2009, 11:10	#8 (permalink)
jimmah Shrewdie Punter Join Date: 02 Oct 2008 Location: London Age: 26 Posts: 642	Re: 1x2, DNB or Lays...which is most profitable? 2. Trelleborgs at home to Djurgardens with the home team being backed 1x2 Bank 9 points at 2.08 with Betfair DNB Bank 10 points at 1.44 with bet365 Lay Bank 10.11 points at 4.3 __________________ "In a bet there is a fool and a thief"

21-05-2009, 14:05	#9 (permalink)
JackJarvis Scottish Football Punter Join Date: 05 May 2008 Location: Scotland Age: 20 Posts: 4,377 Awards Showcase Total Awards: 3	Re: 1x2, DNB or Lays...which is most profitable? Very good comparison mate, should provide interesting stats over time. __________________ www.jackjarvisbetting.blogspot.com

21-05-2009, 14:46	#10 (permalink)
Hooloovoo Disturbed Punter Join Date: 18 Jan 2008 Location: Sweden Age: 36 Posts: 3,603	Re: 1x2, DNB or Lays...which is most profitable? A thought: Wouldn't it be a more "correct" comparison if the odds were taken from the same bookie/exchange?

21-05-2009, 14:50	#11 (permalink)
jimmah Shrewdie Punter Join Date: 02 Oct 2008 Location: London Age: 26 Posts: 642	Re: 1x2, DNB or Lays...which is most profitable? I'm not sure to be honest. This experiment is really to see which system would work best and I think if I were to run one of these systems it would be using the best odds I could find. Though I agree if it were just a pure comparison of the 3 methods of betting rather than the systems it would be more "correct" to use the same bookie. __________________ "In a bet there is a fool and a thief"

21-05-2009, 17:54	#13 (permalink)
jimmah Shrewdie Punter Join Date: 02 Oct 2008 Location: London Age: 26 Posts: 642	Re: 1x2, DNB or Lays...which is most profitable? 2-0 Trelleborg 1x2 Bank Balance £99.72 DNB Bank Balance £104.40 Lay Bank Balance £104.14 __________________ "In a bet there is a fool and a thief"

21-05-2009, 19:05	#14 (permalink)
newestpunter Legendary Punter Join Date: 20 Apr 2009 Posts: 1,622	Re: 1x2, DNB or Lays...which is most profitable? lol - aha so you're a "before the eggs hatch chicken counter" finished 3-0 lol good one

21-05-2009, 20:28	#15 (permalink)
jimmah Shrewdie Punter Join Date: 02 Oct 2008 Location: London Age: 26 Posts: 642	Re: 1x2, DNB or Lays...which is most profitable? so I am. How much stoppage time was there in that game?! __________________ "In a bet there is a fool and a thief"

21-05-2009, 21:28	#16 (permalink)
jtw1 God Punter Join Date: 06 Nov 2004 Location: west calder , scotland Age: 49 Posts: 4,640 Awards Showcase Total Awards: 1	Re: 1x2, DNB or Lays...which is most profitable? Hope you manage to keep this going for a good while jimmah it should be interesting to see how the 3 compare over time . Good Luck mate

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21-05-2009, 22:20	#17 (permalink)
newestpunter Legendary Punter Join Date: 20 Apr 2009 Posts: 1,622	Re: 1x2, DNB or Lays...which is most profitable? dunno about stoppage time, 3rd goal came in the 77th minute anyway, nice going so far

22-05-2009, 01:51	#18 (permalink)
jimmah Shrewdie Punter Join Date: 02 Oct 2008 Location: London Age: 26 Posts: 642	Re: 1x2, DNB or Lays...which is most profitable? really?! Then my internet connection is terrible as I was not told about that! __________________ "In a bet there is a fool and a thief"

22-05-2009, 12:20	#20 (permalink)
jimmah Shrewdie Punter Join Date: 02 Oct 2008 Location: London Age: 26 Posts: 642	Re: 1x2, DNB or Lays...which is most profitable? 3. Bohemians at home to Drogheda with the home team backed 1x2 Bank 9.97 points at 1.3 with Victor Chandler DNB Bank 10.44 points at 1.09 with William Hill Lay Bank 10.41 points at 19.87 __________________ "In a bet there is a fool and a thief"

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